jesus loves you all

[4_Haydawn]

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[Voroff]

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look your entitled to your beliefs as I'm entitled to mine. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you though so you go on your merry way and Ill go on mine

My belief is that you being ok with the idea of me being send to eternal hell is sh!t, that idea IS dangerous and means you're a psychopath in the making, incapable of feeling remorse for some gruesome actions*. But the words of the dude in the vid are better.



*I'm just remembering the second comming in Irak (arguably a christian crusade against the vile WMD terrorist ... Bush Jr sold that at least), but there are plenty of intra-america stuff that are not fun. Ohio, last year was the third time the "good believers" tries to pass a law about giving the death penalty to : mothers-to-be that had used abortion. One day it'll pass ...
In the name of the Bible. And some idea of Hell.



My firm belief is that your belief is toxic. The american god is somerthing fiercely dark.

[HermitTheToad]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez HermitTheToad13:

look your entitled to your beliefs as I'm entitled to mine. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you though so you go on your merry way and Ill go on mine

My belief is that you being ok with the idea of me being send to eternal hell is sh!t, that idea IS dangerous and means you're a psychopath in the making, incapable of feeling remorse for some gruesome actions*. But the words of the dude in the vid are better.



*I'm just remembering the second comming in Irak (arguably a christian crusade against the vile WMD terrorist ... Bush Jr sold that at least), but there are plenty of intra-america stuff that are not fun. Ohio, last year was the third time the "good believers" tries to pass a law about giving the death penalty to : mothers-to-be that had used abortion. One day it'll pass ...
In the name of the Bible. And some idea of Hell.



My firm belief is that your belief is toxic. The american god is somerthing fiercely dark.

Bruh sorry I existed? Sorry we are all made in Gods image? I mean what do you want me to do? Also God is for everyone not just Americans as you wrongfully say. We are all equal in God's image.

[Voroff]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Crusader (Banned5x):

You don't have to worry about that. God makes Himself known to anyone who is a just person, and who truly does care to know Him. He can even appear in a dream or a vision to those who have no other means of accessing knowledge of God.

Ahem, again, those civilisations around the year zero of our current calendar were not a place full of ethics everywhere. It was cultural tradition to drink in the skulls in one place, in another filling a giant wooden statue full of people and lit it on fire; feuds and slavery are just things that were common in some places.

And if your god cannot send a prophet to each land but only in 3 spots in around the same mediteraneean desert, i doubt he will send me a dream. He's just not powerfull or internationnal enought, i fear.

Riddle me this one then : if the humans were chased out of Eden because of the apple-thing (let's call it that and just leave it there), why ho why are all the innocent animals out here too ? Have they sinned ? Do you deny the soul of a dog or a cat ?





For anyone saying the christain god, or any god for that matter, that prenteds to be all-powerfull, all-knowing AND all-loving : please listen, for an hour or two, to the breathing of an infant that have trouble breathing. Like an Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).








Just an hour or two.

[HermitTheToad]

Depends. I could answer your question but I feel this is a moment where no matter what I say nothing good will come of it (I also feel other people could answer it better it get complicated). So I'll as you a question. What do you believe in then?

[Yavin Shikanoko]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Voroff:

My belief is that you being ok with the idea of me being send to eternal hell is sh!t, that idea IS dangerous and means you're a psychopath in the making, incapable of feeling remorse for some gruesome actions*. But the words of the dude in the vid are better.



*I'm just remembering the second comming in Irak (arguably a christian crusade against the vile WMD terrorist ... Bush Jr sold that at least), but there are plenty of intra-america stuff that are not fun. Ohio, last year was the third time the "good believers" tries to pass a law about giving the death penalty to : mothers-to-be that had used abortion. One day it'll pass ...
In the name of the Bible. And some idea of Hell.



My firm belief is that your belief is toxic. The american god is somerthing fiercely dark.

Bruh sorry I existed? Sorry we are all made in Gods image? I mean what do you want me to do? Also God is for everyone not just Americans as you wrongfully say. We are all equal in God's image.

Tbf some USA christians are something else they are basically the diet coke version of the Taliban mixing their nationalism/blind patriotism with their religion, not to mention all the christian cults existing in there, being the Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormons the most popular.

[HermitTheToad]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez HermitTheToad13:

Bruh sorry I existed? Sorry we are all made in Gods image? I mean what do you want me to do? Also God is for everyone not just Americans as you wrongfully say. We are all equal in God's image.

Tbf some USA christians are something else they are basically the diet coke version of the Taliban mixing their nationalism/blind patriotism with their religion, not to mention all the christian cults existing in there, being the Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormons the most popular.

Yeah and I hate those people who manipulate or water down the bible. Also you forgot the Amish.

[Apteryx]

The question is, do we have any hard evidence that Jesus or God ever existed? Do we have any evidence that they didn't? This will be a wild comparison, but they're like black holes. There are signs that they exist and signs that they don't, and we probably will never know unless we see them in person.

[Crusader (Banned13x)]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Voroff:

Ahem, again, those civilisations around the year zero of our current calendar were not a place full of ethics everywhere. It was cultural tradition to drink in the skulls in one place, in another filling a giant wooden statue full of people and lit it on fire; feuds and slavery are just things that were common in some places.

And if your god cannot send a prophet to each land but only in 3 spots in around the same mediteraneean desert, i doubt he will send me a dream. He's just not powerfull or internationnal enought, i fear.

True. People from the dawn of time were incredibly wicked, and that's why God decided to wipe them out with a worldwide flood, saving only 8 people, including Noah. Noah preached to people of his time about the coming judgment, but didn't even gain a single convert, as there were no other righteous people left.

There have been other prophets in various places throughout history, but they are often killed or rejected by the people they preach to and are not all individually recorded in the Bible.

Hebrews 11: 32-38
"And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

(Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth."

Początkowo opublikowane przez Voroff:

Riddle me this one then : if the humans were chased out of Eden because of the apple-thing (let's call it that and just leave it there), why ho why are all the innocent animals out here too ? Have they sinned ? Do you deny the soul of a dog or a cat ?

For anyone saying the christain god, or any god for that matter, that prenteds to be all-powerfull, all-knowing AND all-loving : please listen, for an hour or two, to the breathing of an infant that have trouble breathing. Like an Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

Just an hour or two.

There's a case for animals having a soul and being able to enter Heaven after death, as they are not capable of sin as humanity is. There are no specific verses to be able to say for sure, at least that I can remember, but God does mention there being animals in the new Heaven and new Earth that will one day be. There are also mentions of Jesus and others riding "horses".

Isaiah 65:25
"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord."

I don't say that God pretends to be anything, or that He is all-loving. I'm the one who says God hates many things, and even many people. New Age Christianity claims that God loves everyone, but the Bible doesn't.

God also never said that bad things would never occur on earth after the fallen state of humanity from the Garden of Eden. Sin is severe in that it not only effects those who sin, it effects those around them as well. That is why the innocent and even animals now suffer, and why God hates sin so much.

We can blame the devil for that, and ourselves as humans, for listening to the devil's lies. Unless you truly believe you would've done differently than Adam and Eve. I'm not so certain. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. They only had to make one.

[Yavin Shikanoko]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Yavin Coyote:

Tbf some USA christians are something else they are basically the diet coke version of the Taliban mixing their nationalism/blind patriotism with their religion, not to mention all the christian cults existing in there, being the Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormons the most popular.

you forgot the Amish.

True, I don't know much about them tho, practically all my knowledge about the Amish comes from Family Guy and some (TLC I believe) reality shows.

[HermitTheToad]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Apteryx:

The question is, do we have any hard evidence that Jesus or God ever existed? Do we have any evidence that they didn't? This will be a wild comparison, but they're like black holes. There are signs that they exist and signs that they don't, and we probably will never know unless we see them in person.

Look following the logic of the world you live then you die and that's it. I have nothing to lose by believing in Jesus.

[HermitTheToad]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez HermitTheToad13:

you forgot the Amish.

True, I don't know much about them tho, practically all my knowledge about the Amish comes from Family Guy and some (TLC I believe) reality shows.

They heavily manipulate the bible to scare people into staying, and its a religion of fear not trust.

[Voroff]

Początkowo opublikowane przez HermitTheToad13:

Depends. I could answer your question but I feel this is a moment where no matter what I say nothing good will come of it (I also feel other people could answer it better it get complicated). So I'll as you a question. What do you believe in then?

I've read some Socrates, some Nietzsche, some Sartre, and now i'm ping-ponging between Spinoza and Shopenhauer, but i read bits and bobs of a lot of things. I'm a fan of the late works of Sir Terry Pratchett, too.
Never fond better than "your time on earth is short, try to use it to do good but never forget to take a hike from time to time - ho, and sleep well". What is good ?


"Moral good, or moral ideal, is an action that reduces harm or increases well-being for the most people" and "living a serene life". And a prime motto of anarchy : your freedom stops right where other's freedom starts. Dont force people. That is why i can respect and even admire faith, but i despise organised religions.

[HermitTheToad]

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Depends. I could answer your question but I feel this is a moment where no matter what I say nothing good will come of it (I also feel other people could answer it better it get complicated). So I'll as you a question. What do you believe in then?

I've read some Socrates, some Nietzsche, some Sartre, and now i'm ping-ponging between Spinoza and Shopenhauer, but i read bits and bobs of a lot of things. I'm a fan of the late works of Sir Terry Pratchett, too.
Never fond better than "your time on earth is short, try to use it to do good but never forget to take a hike from time to time - ho, and sleep well". What is good ?


"Moral good, or moral ideal, is an action that reduces harm or increases good for the most people" and "living a serene life". And a prime motto of anarchy : your freedom stops right where other's freedom starts. Dont force people. That is why i can respect and even admire faith, but i despise organised religions.

okay and? you think your so much better than every one else. Thant you got it down right. I tried to find a middle ground and be respectful but noooo you have to prove your point.

[HermitTheToad]

Screw this I have better things to do, and I will pray for your salvation.

[Voroff]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Crusader (Banned5x):

Początkowo opublikowane przez Voroff:

Riddle me this one then : why ho why are all the innocent animals out here too ? Have they sinned ? + ARDS

There's a case for animals having a soul and being able to enter Heaven after death, as they are not capable of sin as humanity is. There are no specific verses to be able to say for sure, at least that I can remember, but God does mention there being animals in the new Heaven and new Earth that will one day be. There are also mentions of Jesus and others riding "horses".
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I don't say that God pretends to be anything, or that He is all-loving. I'm the one who says God hates many things, and even many people. New Age Christianity claims that God loves everyone, but the Bible doesn't.

God also never said that bad things would never occur on earth after the fallen state of humanity from the Garden of Eden. Sin is severe in that it not only effects those who sin, it effects those around them as well. That is why the innocent and even animals now suffer, and why God hates sin so much.

We can blame the devil for that, and ourselves as humans, for listening to the devil's lies. Unless you truly believe you would've done differently than Adam and Eve. I'm not so certain. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. They only had to make one.

I didnt thanked you for taking the time for replying, so ... thanks. I do read, but i havent found why the animals are out here, only a "snake" was evil, and was maybe not a snake but the devil impersonnating the snake (there is WHY accurate words are usefull, aka reading the bible in Greek at least - any expert in theology refers to the the latin at the VERY least and brings the most probable traductions in their exposé, not one word for word. Snake or snake-shaped ? Guilty or innocent animal ?).

And for the second part, i'm guessing you refering to the hate of god against the animals, not against my second example, being the little infants. There is no need to hate newborns and smother them. But that hapenning in the first place, for all kind of children, meaning all kind of parents ... wicked or not. Mormons have that, cant blame any lack of faith if they can leave their community, and sure cant blame them of being untrue to the Bible.
Still, newborns are dying. What mistake did they made ? Or is god punishing them parents ? Their community ? Dont they deserve to live and suffer and be judged for it in full, like all ?

Początkowo opublikowane przez HermitTheToad13:

Bruh sorry I existed? Sorry we are all made in Gods image? I mean what do you want me to do? Also God is for everyone not just Americans as you wrongfully say. We are all equal in God's image.

Bruhva, our bodies are frail and imperfect. Ask any dancer or age 30+, like ballet dancer, what joints or articulations they can still move without pain. Our bodies have a lot of misconceptions and dead ends, and that is when we are in top shape. Those suffering from genetic illnesses could tell you a book about their body "made in god's image".