Avdiivka, Longtime Stronghold for Ukraine, Falls to Russians

steven1mac Feb 19, 2024 @ 4:22pm

I honestly thought it would fall a month ago, considering they were outnumbered and out gunned. If they stayed any longer it would be a waste of troops on Ukraine's side.

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❤ Sly Succubus ❤ Feb 19, 2024 @ 4:25pm

Welcome to day 725 of our 3 day special military operation!

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Xautos Feb 19, 2024 @ 4:32pm

Originally posted by Nargo:
Interesting stuff. It seems Ukraine is advancing in reverse while Russia is retreating forwards.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Originally posted by steven1mac:
I honestly thought it would fall a month ago, considering they were outnumbered and out gunned. If they stayed any longer it would be a waste of troops on Ukraine's side.

Now it's going to cost twice as many to retake it and keep it. it's not much of a trade off considering the value a town has, let alone the very few victories the Russians have made this last year alone, which have been sparing and on top of this the serious lack of morale and combat supplies for Russian troops on the front line. capturing a town like this is a serious boost for the Russian troops and a serious loss of morale towards the Ukrainian troops who have tried so hard to resist their invaders only to see their hard fought gains disappear on them.

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❤ Sly Succubus ❤ Feb 19, 2024 @ 4:37pm

Originally posted by Xautos:
Originally posted by Nargo:
Interesting stuff. It seems Ukraine is advancing in reverse while Russia is retreating forwards.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Originally posted by steven1mac:
I honestly thought it would fall a month ago, considering they were outnumbered and out gunned. If they stayed any longer it would be a waste of troops on Ukraine's side.

Now it's going to cost twice as many to retake it and keep it. it's not much of a trade off considering the value a town has, let alone the very few victories the Russians have made this last year alone, which have been sparing and on top of this the serious lack of morale and combat supplies for Russian troops on the front line. capturing a town like this is a serious boost for the Russian troops and a serious loss of morale towards the Ukrainian troops who have tried so hard to resist their invaders only to see their hard fought gains disappear on them.

Its not a major boost, its a proper pyrrhic victory when they have to do a count of the lives spent taking the city and time it took to just take what is effective a bunch of ruins with zero value, not to mention accepting the fact all the vehicles destroyed and lost forever and ammo spent in taking it.

Its a boost for victory until the high wares off and they realize it will now take another 2 years to take another city of any kind at this rate, the generals I bet are holed up in the war room drinking vodka then had a mental break down realizing this is their first actual major victory in a war that should of ended a long time ago but they've effectively held back by people who made the Russians a total joke at the start

I will never stop giving Russia crap over how they lost tanks to freaking farmers at the start of the whole thing or how their getting shot out of the sky by weapons older then the pilots themselves are.

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Xautos Feb 19, 2024 @ 4:45pm

Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Its not a major boost, its a proper pyrrhic victory when they have to do a count of the lives spent taking the city and time it took to just take what is effective a bunch of ruins with zero value, not to mention accepting the fact all the vehicles destroyed and lost forever and ammo spent in taking it.

Its a boost for victory until the high wares off and they realize it will now take another 2 years to take another city of any kind at this rate, the generals I bet are holed up in the war room drinking vodka then had a mental break down realizing this is their first actual major victory in a war that should of ended a long time ago but they've effectively held back by people who made the Russians a total joke at the start

I will never stop giving Russia crap over how they lost tanks to freaking farmers at the start of the whole thing or how their getting shot out of the sky by weapons older then the pilots themselves are.

the losses in troops now will balance out later on when Ukraine has to try take it back and keep it. it's not as pyrrhic as it looks, it's more decisive than that. The Russians have gained something quite meaningful and Ukraine will want to take it back quickly before they lose momentum. If the Russians push them out from the area and reinforce it (which is expected), then yes it becomes a very certain defeat based on that.

That will really hurt Ukrainian morale to lose such an important town to the invading Russians. You know that Putin and the Kremlin will be blaring it from the media channels and every speaker in Russia about this critical victory over the Ukrainians, he will spin it into a big things and show their "special military operation" is working and it will encourage more men to enlist seeing it's not as pointless as it looks.

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❤ Sly Succubus ❤ Feb 19, 2024 @ 4:54pm

Originally posted by Xautos:
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Its not a major boost, its a proper pyrrhic victory when they have to do a count of the lives spent taking the city and time it took to just take what is effective a bunch of ruins with zero value, not to mention accepting the fact all the vehicles destroyed and lost forever and ammo spent in taking it.

Its a boost for victory until the high wares off and they realize it will now take another 2 years to take another city of any kind at this rate, the generals I bet are holed up in the war room drinking vodka then had a mental break down realizing this is their first actual major victory in a war that should of ended a long time ago but they've effectively held back by people who made the Russians a total joke at the start

I will never stop giving Russia crap over how they lost tanks to freaking farmers at the start of the whole thing or how their getting shot out of the sky by weapons older then the pilots themselves are.

the losses in troops now will balance out later on when Ukraine has to try take it back and keep it. it's not as pyrrhic as it looks, it's more decisive than that. The Russians have gained something quite meaningful and Ukraine will want to take it back quickly before they lose momentum. If the Russians push them out from the area and reinforce it (which is expected), then yes it becomes a very certain defeat based on that.

That will really hurt Ukrainian morale to lose such an important town to the invading Russians. You know that Putin and the Kremlin will be blaring it from the media channels and every speaker in Russia about this critical victory over the Ukrainians, he will spin it into a big things and show their "special military operation" is working and it will encourage more men to enlist seeing it's not as pointless as it looks.

Implying Putin has anymore men to give, Russia is so desperate for troops that he outlawed abortions in his nation and basically has made several calls for all females in his nation to have 5 or more kids so...ya he'll spin that ball, spin it so hard it will have marks all over it.

My only thing here is that laughing at Russia taking 725 days for a special operations, in the long run there's two things that Russia can't deal with anymore which has now come to bite them hard several times in the butt.

The first one is that no one can lead the cities they stole (Not for a lack of not wanting to, but all leaders they've installed have been killed thus far, all 7) and lack of troops, sure he could have all women have kids now but he'll be waiting 18 years to replace them and once he dies he'll be immortalized as the guy who sent the most people in Russia to die for a personal situation, a fact that will not go well in the history books.

For that city, ya it sucks they lost it but its worth noting that its one loss, even if Russia locks it down they will need to now deal with the fact they focused all their forces down in that area which means the Ukrainians can circle above and take territories back from above and loop back like they did last year.

At this rate I'm questioning why Putin does not can the war, like the dude knows he won't win because by the time he does, he'll of died of old age because unlike prior wars, Ukraine does not officially lose till they agree they have...meaning that as long as they hold one city for the rest of the entire conflict, the war simply will never end.

Sounds bad but these are Slavs we speak of, people who withstood the German advance so its not to far fetched they can do the same again.

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xDDD Feb 19, 2024 @ 4:56pm

Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Implying Putin has anymore men to give, Russia is so desperate for troops that he outlawed abortions in his nation and basically has made several calls for all females in his nation to have 5 or more kids so...ya he'll spin that ball, spin it so hard it will have marks all over it.

Uhhhh I'm pretty sure that isn't related to his current military numbers lol the war (hopefully) isn't going to last 19 years

BUT Russia is demographically doomed and that is the real reason they're encouraging childbirth.

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❤ Sly Succubus ❤ Feb 19, 2024 @ 5:00pm

Originally posted by :D:
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Implying Putin has anymore men to give, Russia is so desperate for troops that he outlawed abortions in his nation and basically has made several calls for all females in his nation to have 5 or more kids so...ya he'll spin that ball, spin it so hard it will have marks all over it.
Uhhhh I'm pretty sure that isn't related to his current military numbers lol the war (hopefully) isn't going to last 19 years

BUT Russia is demographically doomed and that is the real reason they're encouraging childbirth.

I'm hoping its not the reason either but its sus as hell he even brought it up only after the whole troop issue to start with, either way it is what it is ya

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ナルゴ Feb 19, 2024 @ 5:35pm

Originally posted by steven1mac:
I honestly thought it would fall a month ago, considering they were outnumbered and out gunned. If they stayed any longer it would be a waste of troops on Ukraine's side.

How could Ukraine possibly be outgunned? Surely they have enough money with the billions being poured into the country. And Ukraine uses modern NATO weapons unlike Russia's rusty soviet stockpile!

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steven1mac Feb 19, 2024 @ 5:40pm

Originally posted by Nargo:
Originally posted by steven1mac:
I honestly thought it would fall a month ago, considering they were outnumbered and out gunned. If they stayed any longer it would be a waste of troops on Ukraine's side.
How could Ukraine possibly be outgunned? Surely they have enough money with the billions being poured into the country. And Ukraine uses modern NATO weapons unlike Russia's rusty soviet stockpile!

Most of the equipment given was outdated decades ago. Considering both sides are being decimated by drones that only cost a few thousand dollar, neither side had the foresight of a more modern war.

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vkobe Feb 19, 2024 @ 6:03pm

Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Originally posted by Xautos:

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Now it's going to cost twice as many to retake it and keep it. it's not much of a trade off considering the value a town has, let alone the very few victories the Russians have made this last year alone, which have been sparing and on top of this the serious lack of morale and combat supplies for Russian troops on the front line. capturing a town like this is a serious boost for the Russian troops and a serious loss of morale towards the Ukrainian troops who have tried so hard to resist their invaders only to see their hard fought gains disappear on them.
Its not a major boost, its a proper pyrrhic victory when they have to do a count of the lives spent taking the city and time it took to just take what is effective a bunch of ruins with zero value, not to mention accepting the fact all the vehicles destroyed and lost forever and ammo spent in taking it.

Its a boost for victory until the high wares off and they realize it will now take another 2 years to take another city of any kind at this rate, the generals I bet are holed up in the war room drinking vodka then had a mental break down realizing this is their first actual major victory in a war that should of ended a long time ago but they've effectively held back by people who made the Russians a total joke at the start

I will never stop giving Russia crap over how they lost tanks to freaking farmers at the start of the whole thing or how their getting shot out of the sky by weapons older then the pilots themselves are.

between bakmouth and adviika it is 9 months

also it depend if usa delivery more stuff or not, if no and trump win, ukraine is in big trouble

they just made a remake of ww1 and iran/iraq war with 21 century technology

anyway the ukraine goal is to recover crimea, mariupol, the nuclear power plant and east ukraine

stalemate=ukraine fail its objective with that and so it may be ukraine is ok than the rest of their country not falling

i say 2024 is the critical year for this war, everyone are tired with this shanigan, so ukraine or russia give up or it is stalemate, ukraine lost eastern part and southern part to black sea, but keep the rest of their country and russia is in china side and going to arm north korea and iran

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vkobe Feb 19, 2024 @ 6:09pm

Originally posted by Xautos:
Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Its not a major boost, its a proper pyrrhic victory when they have to do a count of the lives spent taking the city and time it took to just take what is effective a bunch of ruins with zero value, not to mention accepting the fact all the vehicles destroyed and lost forever and ammo spent in taking it.

Its a boost for victory until the high wares off and they realize it will now take another 2 years to take another city of any kind at this rate, the generals I bet are holed up in the war room drinking vodka then had a mental break down realizing this is their first actual major victory in a war that should of ended a long time ago but they've effectively held back by people who made the Russians a total joke at the start

I will never stop giving Russia crap over how they lost tanks to freaking farmers at the start of the whole thing or how their getting shot out of the sky by weapons older then the pilots themselves are.

the losses in troops now will balance out later on when Ukraine has to try take it back and keep it. it's not as pyrrhic as it looks, it's more decisive than that. The Russians have gained something quite meaningful and Ukraine will want to take it back quickly before they lose momentum. If the Russians push them out from the area and reinforce it (which is expected), then yes it becomes a very certain defeat based on that.

That will really hurt Ukrainian morale to lose such an important town to the invading Russians. You know that Putin and the Kremlin will be blaring it from the media channels and every speaker in Russia about this critical victory over the Ukrainians, he will spin it into a big things and show their "special military operation" is working and it will encourage more men to enlist seeing it's not as pointless as it looks.

it is pyric like soviet won against germany or when russia won against napoleon france or when france+uk won against germany+austria

so the war turn into grind war and it moslty depend of who will win industry war, if trump win in 7 month, ukraine going to lost the industry war, if sleepy joe win usa+europe+sony+samsung may win industry war against russia+iran+north korea

in hypothesis we dont get a new black swan event like the 7 october

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vkobe Feb 19, 2024 @ 6:12pm

Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:
Originally posted by Xautos:

the losses in troops now will balance out later on when Ukraine has to try take it back and keep it. it's not as pyrrhic as it looks, it's more decisive than that. The Russians have gained something quite meaningful and Ukraine will want to take it back quickly before they lose momentum. If the Russians push them out from the area and reinforce it (which is expected), then yes it becomes a very certain defeat based on that.

That will really hurt Ukrainian morale to lose such an important town to the invading Russians. You know that Putin and the Kremlin will be blaring it from the media channels and every speaker in Russia about this critical victory over the Ukrainians, he will spin it into a big things and show their "special military operation" is working and it will encourage more men to enlist seeing it's not as pointless as it looks.
Implying Putin has anymore men to give, Russia is so desperate for troops that he outlawed abortions in his nation and basically has made several calls for all females in his nation to have 5 or more kids so...ya he'll spin that ball, spin it so hard it will have marks all over it.

My only thing here is that laughing at Russia taking 725 days for a special operations, in the long run there's two things that Russia can't deal with anymore which has now come to bite them hard several times in the butt.

The first one is that no one can lead the cities they stole (Not for a lack of not wanting to, but all leaders they've installed have been killed thus far, all 7) and lack of troops, sure he could have all women have kids now but he'll be waiting 18 years to replace them and once he dies he'll be immortalized as the guy who sent the most people in Russia to die for a personal situation, a fact that will not go well in the history books.

For that city, ya it sucks they lost it but its worth noting that its one loss, even if Russia locks it down they will need to now deal with the fact they focused all their forces down in that area which means the Ukrainians can circle above and take territories back from above and loop back like they did last year.

At this rate I'm questioning why Putin does not can the war, like the dude knows he won't win because by the time he does, he'll of died of old age because unlike prior wars, Ukraine does not officially lose till they agree they have...meaning that as long as they hold one city for the rest of the entire conflict, the war simply will never end.

Sounds bad but these are Slavs we speak of, people who withstood the German advance so its not to far fetched they can do the same again.

never read than russia outlaw abortion, usa outlaw that, poland too, but for russia i never read that, even xi china has not ball to outlaw abortion

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❤ Sly Succubus ❤ Feb 19, 2024 @ 6:17pm

Originally posted by vkobe:
-snip due to the sake of not copying and pasting the long posts

Amazing, show me where the US outlawed it because I live in the US and abortion is still legal in several states and the ban attempt failed so ayo I guess not all people do know everything. That said, as far as I know the whole situation with it in Russia is still pending, I've had other confirm it was brought up before (as you can even see with a prior person noting the issues in Russia) but whether or not it was banned I have no idea about, I don't follow regulation changes in other nations as honestly there's to many nations to keep track of for those changes.

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vkobe Feb 19, 2024 @ 6:19pm

Originally posted by steven1mac:
Originally posted by Nargo:
How could Ukraine possibly be outgunned? Surely they have enough money with the billions being poured into the country. And Ukraine uses modern NATO weapons unlike Russia's rusty soviet stockpile!
Most of the equipment given was outdated decades ago. Considering both sides are being decimated by drones that only cost a few thousand dollar, neither side had the foresight of a more modern war.

except yes they are foresight modern war with their drone, they show us large scale 21 century war with drone, also they show us cheap quantity is still matter in a war, it suck when you run out ammo and mostly we see than europe currently run out of ammo, because they disarm themselves since end of cold war

so it is nice to 1000 tomahak, it is less nice when you have only 100000 155mmm shell :^( in a large scale war

it doesnt help than while 30 years west only fighting paesants and give wrong impression than bombing one paesant with 100000$ bomb is a good idea and than this paesant has a wife and 5 children

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