whenever you clean something, you're just making something else dirty.

[kingjames488]

you can't possibly clean something without using something less dirty than the thing you're cleaning, and then all you're doing is equalising the levels of dirty between what you're trying to clean and what you're using to clean it.

clean is an illusion.

thoughts?

[Axe]

... and then we chuck the cleaner in the bin. So what

[aqua star]

Stop you are going to make Ordis go crazy.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Axe:

... and then we chuck the cleaner in the bin. So what

but even if the "cleaner" is 100% "clean"... you can only possibly remove half of the "dirty" since once they reach an equal level of "dirty" it will no longer have the effect of "cleaning".

[DarkCrystalMethod]

If the dirt you are removing reacts with the cleaner and becomes inert then you don't end up with dirty cleaner, but some solid brick that could be useful elsewhere(like in housing, as a literal brick).
But since that tech isn't quite there yet what you have said is currently true.

[Axe]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by Axe:

... and then we chuck the cleaner in the bin. So what

but even if the "cleaner" is 100% "clean"... you can only possibly remove half of the "dirty" since once they reach an equal level of "dirty" it will no longer have the effect of "cleaning".

When you get old enough you may be asked to clean some cooking pans or engine oil from your dads car. Come back then and spout this nutty crap.

Solvents doood... Let alone the fact that your 'facts' are just plain bonkers from the off.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Axe:

Originally posted by kingjames488:

but even if the "cleaner" is 100% "clean"... you can only possibly remove half of the "dirty" since once they reach an equal level of "dirty" it will no longer have the effect of "cleaning".

When you get old enough you may be asked to clean some cooking pans or engine oil from your dads car. Come back then and spout this nutty crap.

Solvents doood... Let alone the fact that your 'facts' are just plain bonkers from the off.

wtf you on about?

what do you think a solvent does?

Ill give you a hint, it's in the name... it diSOLVEs things.

it's not some magical black hole of cleaning... eventually solvents become too dirty and no longer clean.

[Axe]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by Axe:

When you get old enough you may be asked to clean some cooking pans or engine oil from your dads car. Come back then and spout this nutty crap.

Solvents doood... Let alone the fact that your 'facts' are just plain bonkers from the off.

wtf you on about?

what do you think a solvent does?

Ill give you a hint, it's in the name... it diSOLVEs things.

it's not some magical black hole of cleaning... eventually solvents become too dirty and no longer clean.

Err your ignorant and patronising reply with the angry tone now makes me realise you are not worthy of speaking with further so have it your way.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Axe:

Originally posted by kingjames488:

wtf you on about?

what do you think a solvent does?

Ill give you a hint, it's in the name... it diSOLVEs things.

it's not some magical black hole of cleaning... eventually solvents become too dirty and no longer clean.

Err your ignorant and patronising reply with the angry tone now makes me realise you are not worthy of speaking with further so have it your way.

wtf are you on about?

you got a reply worthy of your comment.

I wasn't going on about your parents or such things >.>

[ṼṏẌṏḭḊ]

Skill issue.

[Basho]

you arent equalizing anything, you are transferring it.
equalization would be true if you were content with pressing things against each other and/or blending stuff.

but when properly cleaning an object you use some type of solvent medium (even if just water) to, well, dissolve the dirt and then you use some type mechanical action (scraping, wiping, etc) to physically transfer the dirt away from the cleaning target and onto the cleaning implement.

so unless you intend to make some sort of comparison to Achilles and the tortoise (which would be rather strained), then i'd say cleaning is definitely possible, with the cleaning target as the frame of reference.
of course, with the universe as the frame of reference it becomes a theoretical exercise in entropy, but by then we are rather far removed from anything related to actually cleaning stuff and i doubt anyone would be okay with not cleaning due to woes about entropic redundancy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mCO440DjnM

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Originally posted by Axe:

... and then we chuck the cleaner in the bin. So what

r/wooosh

That Boeing 747 was so low that it missed ya by two inches and you still didn't see it go over your head mate.

[Axe]

Originally posted by Mischievous Sly Succubus:

Originally posted by Axe:

... and then we chuck the cleaner in the bin. So what

r/wooosh

That Boeing 747 was so low that it missed ya by two inches and you still didn't see it go over your head mate.

Perhaps you could explain what I missed? I'm curious to know. Taking into account I was replying to 'clean is an illusion' Appreciated.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Basho:

you arent equalizing anything, you are transferring it.
equalization would be true if you were content with pressing things against each other and/or blending stuff.

but when properly cleaning an object you use some type of solvent medium (even if just water) to, well, dissolve the dirt and then you use some type mechanical action (scraping, wiping, etc) to physically transfer the dirt away from the cleaning target and onto the cleaning implement.

so unless you intend to make some sort of comparison to Achilles and the tortoise (which would be rather strained), then i'd say cleaning is definitely possible, with the cleaning target as the frame of reference.
of course, with the universe as the frame of reference it becomes a theoretical exercise in entropy, but by then we are rather far removed from anything related to actually cleaning stuff and i doubt anyone would be okay with not cleaning due to woes about entropic redundancy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mCO440DjnM

is to be clean just to be less dirty by comparison then?

also great deep thoughts music XD

[↑↑↓↓←→←→BASelect]

I wash each surface with a clean wash rag. So I will clean the kitchen table then get a new one to clean the kitchen counter.

So when I do dishes I will use a wash cloth to clean a dish. So if I have 20 dishes I will use 20 wash cloths to clean them. Because if you don't all you are doing is cleaning the next dish with the food from the last dish.

When I do laundry I will throw in a single shirt with a cap of laundry soap then put it on a full load of water and wash the shirt. Then do the same with a single pair of pants. Putting in like 5 shirts and 5 pair of pants and wash them together will not get them clean as they will bunch up together and not get cleaned. So you have to wash each item by it self. If you don't then your clothes will not be clean.

[permanent name]

a complete cleaning ritual discards the toxins and wash-off back into the environment, where they return to the natural sources they came from.

as such the nature of clean and unclean is a mental perception out of line with reality, except in relevance to oneself and ones own needs. under this rubric your statement makes sense: reality is dirty, and you alone are clean.