Putin's move to kill Navalny was not too smart.

[Zeno]

Putin's move to kill Navalny was not too smart.

Considering Navalny now is a martyr for everyone else.

Also, even if Putin did NOT kill Navalny, he should have made sure this guy gets a healthy and good treatment in prison so he would not die on some starvation, disease or what not in order to prevent him from dying.

So no matter how you twist it, Russia is at fault for Navalny's death, a dude in his 40s doesn't just randomly die because of nothing.

Russia once again messed up and proved that they don't care about human lives and once again, have proven that they are also not very logical thinkers. What a sad place, yet there are still so many people on here who defend the people who support a mass-murderer and the mass-murderer itself.

[Duck Twacy]

Автор сообщения: Cyborg92

Putin's move to kill Navalny was not too smart.

Considering Navalny now is a martyr for everyone else.

Also, even if Putin did NOT kill Navalny, he should have made sure this guy gets a healthy and good treatment in prison so he would not die on some starvation, disease or what not in order to prevent him from dying.

So no matter how you twist it, Russia is at fault for Navalny's death, a dude in his 40s doesn't just randomly die because of nothing.

Russia once again messed up and proved that they don't care about human lives and once again, have proven that they are also not very logical thinkers. What a sad place, yet there are still so many people on here who defend the people who support a mass-murderer and the mass-murderer itself.

In my opinion Putin is psychopathic. Psychopaths only attack or kill weak targets. In my opinion, this means he feared Nevalny's political "strength", and even when he had him in his control it took Putin two years to kill him or have him killed. And make it look like he, Putin, had nothing to do with it when everyone knows differently.

That's kind of the retarded side of his condition. He think that if he attacks schools, hospitals and parks that this will somehow make the Ukrainians stop using their military. With Nevalny he probably feared not a political backlash because he really doesn't care about that, but some kind of ability Nevalny may have had innately.

What's worse is that the Soviet KGB recognized this in Putin, warned against him, but someone gave him a pass, and let him have a career. And his FSB doesn't realize how dangerous he is for themselves and Russia. Nevalny's death is just a prime example of Putin's illogic.

[Zeno]

Автор сообщения: Duck Twacy

Автор сообщения: Cyborg92

Putin's move to kill Navalny was not too smart.

Considering Navalny now is a martyr for everyone else.

Also, even if Putin did NOT kill Navalny, he should have made sure this guy gets a healthy and good treatment in prison so he would not die on some starvation, disease or what not in order to prevent him from dying.

So no matter how you twist it, Russia is at fault for Navalny's death, a dude in his 40s doesn't just randomly die because of nothing.

Russia once again messed up and proved that they don't care about human lives and once again, have proven that they are also not very logical thinkers. What a sad place, yet there are still so many people on here who defend the people who support a mass-murderer and the mass-murderer itself.

In my opinion Putin is psychopathic. Psychopaths only attack or kill weak targets. In my opinion, this means he feared Nevalny's political "strength", and even when he had him in his control it took Putin two years to kill him or have him killed. And make it look like he, Putin, had nothing to do with it when everyone knows differently.

That's kind of the retarded side of his condition. He think that if he attacks schools, hospitals and parks that this will somehow make the Ukrainians stop using their military. With Nevalny he probably feared not a political backlash because he really doesn't care about that, but some kind of ability Nevalny may have had innately.

What's worse is that the Soviet KGB recognized this in Putin, warned against him, but someone gave him a pass, and let him have a career. And his FSB doesn't realize how dangerous he is for themselves and Russia. Nevalny's death is just a prime example of Putin's illogic.

I don't think he actually commands anyone to attack schools or hospitals, I think his military is just incapable, but he knows this, so...

I think what Putin does is, apply KGB tactics. He still thinks he can rule with violence and fear as he was taught in the USSR and it does work to some extend, but people get more pissy about it nowadays due to the internet capturing every move.


Mentally, Putin is not any less of a psychopathic mind than presidents in the US, Germany or other countries. The difference is just that he does not care about a backlash of his population so much as he is a dictator and does not need the votes, he just pulls through with what he thinks is right and in this case its oppressing Ukraine with violence so it can't join EU and NATO.

[Auckes]

Putin's move?

Who has political profit, from the death of a leader from a 2% populace vote? Putin is a very smart person, keeping the biggest country of the world running smoothly; it would be pretty dumb to kill somebody who doesn't pose a threat, in a short time before the elections. Behind each action, we must always examine the profit. And the possible entities who have benefit out of it. Putin had minimal prospect to gain something.

Which reminds me. Navalni was first prosecuted, for frauds, money laundering and was hunted by foreign to Russia companies. Even his brother served jail time, for that. He also had been a notorious law breaker (failed to go to local police stations to show up in regular intervals, get checked and various other small time wrongdoings).

I would seriously examine western entities, first and foremost. Exactly how Britain was behind the ukranians hitting the Russian airplane transporting ukranian captives for exchange, among which A3OB members, who held crucial information that could possibly "burn" Zelenski, in the wrong hands. The west likes silencing its pawns, first and foremost; whenever they go unruly, stop being useful, or threaten (even indirectly) a larger pawn of theirs.

Just let the man RIP

Oh, and do pay your respects to the more deserving, such as Gonzalo Lira for instance, the american journalist. For others are being nominated "heroes" and others indeed suffered, a martyr's death.-

[Zeno]

Автор сообщения: Auckes

Putin's move?

Who has political profit, from the death of a leader from a 2% populace vote? Putin is a very smart person, keeping the biggest country of the world running smoothly; it would be pretty dumb to kill somebody who doesn't pose a threat, in a short time before the elections. Behind each action, we must always examine the profit. And the possible entities who have benefit out of it. Putin had minimal prospect to gain something.

Which reminds me. Navalni was first prosecuted, for frauds, money laundering and was hunted by foreign to Russia companies. Even his brother served jail time, for that. He also had been a notorious law breaker (failed to go to local police stations to show up in regular intervals, get checked and various other small time wrongdoings).

I would seriously examine western entities, first and foremost. Exactly how Britain was behind the ukranians hitting the Russian airplane transporting ukranian captives for exchange, among which A3OB members, who held crucial information that could possibly "burn" Zelenski, in the wrong hands. The west likes silencing its pawns, first and foremost; whenever they go unruly, stop being useful, or threaten (even indirectly) a larger pawn of theirs.

Just let the man RIP

Oh, and do pay your respects to the more deserving, such as Gonzalo Lira for instance, the american journalist. For others are being nominated "heroes" and others indeed suffered, a martyr's death.-

Putin is a complete idiot for wasting hundreds of thousands of his soldiers and dragging his country including businesses into getting sanctioned by pretty much the entire planet.

[permanent name]

Автор сообщения: Cyborg92

Автор сообщения: Auckes

Putin's move?

Who has political profit, from the death of a leader from a 2% populace vote? Putin is a very smart person, keeping the biggest country of the world running smoothly; it would be pretty dumb to kill somebody who doesn't pose a threat, in a short time before the elections. Behind each action, we must always examine the profit. And the possible entities who have benefit out of it. Putin had minimal prospect to gain something.

Which reminds me. Navalni was first prosecuted, for frauds, money laundering and was hunted by foreign to Russia companies. Even his brother served jail time, for that. He also had been a notorious law breaker (failed to go to local police stations to show up in regular intervals, get checked and various other small time wrongdoings).

I would seriously examine western entities, first and foremost. Exactly how Britain was behind the ukranians hitting the Russian airplane transporting ukranian captives for exchange, among which A3OB members, who held crucial information that could possibly "burn" Zelenski, in the wrong hands. The west likes silencing its pawns, first and foremost; whenever they go unruly, stop being useful, or threaten (even indirectly) a larger pawn of theirs.

Just let the man RIP

Oh, and do pay your respects to the more deserving, such as Gonzalo Lira for instance, the american journalist. For others are being nominated "heroes" and others indeed suffered, a martyr's death.-

Putin is a complete idiot for wasting hundreds of thousands of his soldiers and dragging his country including businesses into getting sanctioned by pretty much the entire planet.

no he's a genius for lowering the cost of welfare and throwing away old expensive equipment like tanks with inverted armor.

he made money trying to push a claim he already got 5 years ago, and cost his enemies tons of money.

[76561198356019466]

https://www.theonion.com/world-leaders-on-navalny-death-putin-will-go-unpunishe-1851264749

[permanent name]

Автор сообщения: tiny E

https://www.theonion.com/world-leaders-on-navalny-death-putin-will-go-unpunishe-1851264749

something tells me the first version was ironically suggesting navalny wasn't actually dead, or even in russia.

[76561198356019466]

Автор сообщения: permanent name

Автор сообщения: tiny E

https://www.theonion.com/world-leaders-on-navalny-death-putin-will-go-unpunishe-1851264749

something tells me the first version was ironically suggesting navalny wasn't actually dead, or even in russia.

It's the Onion. 😆

[permanent name]

Автор сообщения: tiny E

Автор сообщения: permanent name

something tells me the first version was ironically suggesting navalny wasn't actually dead, or even in russia.

It's the Onion. 😆

I know; explains why they changed the article.

[Zeno]

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Автор сообщения: Cyborg92

Putin is a complete idiot for wasting hundreds of thousands of his soldiers and dragging his country including businesses into getting sanctioned by pretty much the entire planet.

no he's a genius for lowering the cost of welfare and throwing away old expensive equipment like tanks with inverted armor.

he made money trying to push a claim he already got 5 years ago, and cost his enemies tons of money.

No, nothing is smart about this and what makes you think he lowered " the cost of welfare " ? What does that even mean ? There is nothing such as welfare in Russia, lol.

Let alone the fact that he let his pants down, now everyone knows that his " sPesHul ForzEs " such as the VDV or Spetsnaz are just a wet drop on a hot stone as most of the VDV has already been wasted.

This guy is a dictator and proves it to everyone day in day out.

[permanent name]

Автор сообщения: Cyborg92

Автор сообщения: permanent name

no he's a genius for lowering the cost of welfare and throwing away old expensive equipment like tanks with inverted armor.

he made money trying to push a claim he already got 5 years ago, and cost his enemies tons of money.

No, nothing is smart about this and what makes you think he lowered " the cost of welfare " ? What does that even mean ? There is nothing such as welfare in Russia, lol.

Let alone the fact that he let his pants down, now everyone knows that his " sPesHul ForzEs " such as the VDV or Spetsnaz are just a wet drop on a hot stone as most of the VDV has already been wasted.

This guy is a dictator and proves it to everyone day in day out.

less people = less free food, gopnik.

I think he'll stop once he's thrown a solid 300-400k away, just to show that he's willing to throw other countries' entire armies away on a border dispute.

[Zeno]

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Автор сообщения: Cyborg92

No, nothing is smart about this and what makes you think he lowered " the cost of welfare " ? What does that even mean ? There is nothing such as welfare in Russia, lol.

Let alone the fact that he let his pants down, now everyone knows that his " sPesHul ForzEs " such as the VDV or Spetsnaz are just a wet drop on a hot stone as most of the VDV has already been wasted.

This guy is a dictator and proves it to everyone day in day out.

less people = less free food, gopnik.

I think he'll stop once he's thrown a solid 300-400k away, just to show that he's willing to throw other countries' entire armies away on a border dispute.

less people- less workforce, less taxpayers - more hatred - more resistance.

[Duck Twacy]

Автор сообщения: Cyborg92

I don't think he actually commands anyone to attack schools or hospitals, I think his military is just incapable, but he knows this, so...

I think what Putin does is, apply KGB tactics. He still thinks he can rule with violence and fear as he was taught in the USSR and it does work to some extend, but people get more pissy about it nowadays due to the internet capturing every move.


Mentally, Putin is not any less of a psychopathic mind than presidents in the US, Germany or other countries. The difference is just that he does not care about a backlash of his population so much as he is a dictator and does not need the votes, he just pulls through with what he thinks is right and in this case its oppressing Ukraine with violence so it can't join EU and NATO.

Psychopathy is defined as being emotionally retarded. An in ability to empathize or or sympathize with other people's feeling, and a willingness to do harm regardless of the outcome. That's all of what Putin is. So, no, other world leaders are not psychopathic.

Other world leaders are not psychopathic, nor are they conditionally because of leadership criteria. They have to make hard decisions that involve life and death.

But what sets them apart from Putin is that Putin is incapable of caring. Quite literally, beyond territorial and material gain.

Putin has a personal history of attacking weaker people. Soviet doctrine does destroy anything, but the kind of warfare that Russia is waging, to my mind, goes beyond anything they did in Afghanistan or elsewhere.

Moral standards are what separate the US and Europe from the Soviet Union, and specifically a product like Vladimir Putin.

[Rio]

Автор сообщения: Xautos

Автор сообщения: Magma Dragoon

Has cause of death even been published?

I wouldn't be surprised if possible organ failure brought on by malnourishment was the cause of his death. Alexei was literally starved to death, if that were the case.

it's too soon to get report on that and even if you did, there is no telling what is true or false since we are relying on the Russian services all tied to the government to get back to us with that report. we may never really know what happened until Putin's reign ends and this whole situation untangles itself and the Russians are more open to passing along the actual truth.

What do you mean? I saw reports yesterday that he in the past did hunger strikes and complained about officers slipping candy into his pockets, and cooking chicken in his room to try and get him to fail his hunger strike.

[Morkonan]

Автор сообщения: Cyborg92

Putin's move to kill Navalny was not too smart.

I disagree.

I don't mean that I approve of that - I don't. But, as far as it being "smart," I'll just say it was "opportune."

The Russian Presidential "Election" is coming up in March. So far, things are going swimmingly for Putin, with I think the closest competitor who dared to run is firmly in jail, atm. Other political opponents have also been jailed, just that one most recently. Others have been "disqualified" due to "reasons." No BS - Go look up how many political opponents he's put in jail or had disqualified.

So, in March, Russians will supposedly head out to vote in fair and free elections... (Checks Wiki to be sure that's correct. Well, I guess it's "implied" that they are free and fair...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Russian_presidential_election

Miraculously, Putin will have a major show of unanimous support from the Russian people. The headlines have already been printed... And, coincidentally, the election runs from March 14 to the 17'th and Nevalny's heart accidentally exploded on Feb 17'th. What a remarkable and interesting coincidence that the one past mayor of Moscow who was almost as popular as Putin in Russian poll will have their death celebrated with the closing of the voting booths on March 17'th.

Nevalny was killed because it served Putin's purposes to do so. It was an opportune moment and sends the signal he wants to send to anyone who dares stand up and shout.

You don't think Putin was actually worried about some popular uprising in support of Nevalny, do you?

Considering Navalny now is a martyr for everyone else...

And, there is a surprising lack of Russian leaders volunteering to be martyrs. Why is that?

You know that if everyone is a martyr, no cause is left, right? If not, watch what Putin does and that fact will be very painfully demonstrated.

Very few people are taking to the streets to protest Nevalny's obvious murder. Why is that? Well, that's because large portions of those who did were... "detained."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/17/more-than-100-detained-at-navalny-memorials-in-russia-rights-group

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240217-more-than-100-arrested-as-tributes-to-navalny-removed-across-russian-cities

(Two non-US links for our Cyrillic reading friends)


Do people here really believe that Nevalny did not cease to be a motive force in some popular movement once he went to his Gulag vacation? Are people really that innocent to think that Putin felt that Nevalny was a threat when he had Nevalny entirely under his power?

The only thing Putin fears is some kind of leader emerging that can gain enough popular support to involve the Military and tanks in Red Square. His nightmares are replays of the relatively whimpering moments of the collapse of the USSR, with tanks running circles around the Kremlin.

But, he fears that less, now. It so haunted him that he decided he'd make his own army...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Russia

Since it serves the President, directly, he's got a lot more confidence in putting down any uprising very quickly. It also helps that one of his most trusted bodyguards is it's chief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Zolotov

WAT A COINCEDINCE!

And, a popular uprising with a figurehead who is powerless and in prison and only lived by Putin's will... is something people here think was a "threat?"

Putin used Nevalny's murder to send messaging to anyone who could might think about speaking out or disrupting Putin's plans with an inconvenience of having to arrest lots of people...

Putin didn't give a wet fart about Nevalny once he had him in prison. Not a care in the world. Nevalny's death was the equivalent of sending a Post-It ™ note to anyone who thought they might get a bit uppity... That's it. And, I doubt Putin really cared that much when he gave the order.


Feb 16: Putin's To-Do List:

Have breakfast.
Watch sexy Seagal Judo match videos
Sauna
Order Nevalny's "Instant Death Syndrome"
Visit Clean Room
Bath
Watch sexy Seagal Judo match videos
Prank-Call Zelenskyy again
Watch Battleship Potemkin again
Blueprint new sink-proof Black Sea Battleship Submarine
Bedtime