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Trump fined $350M, banned from doing business in New York
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/ny-fraud-case-damages-pay-millions-judge-engoron-rcna135283

As usual, the former president denies any wrongdoing and calls the case fraudulent. This isn't too surprising.

Trump has been issuing falsified business records and financial documents as well as being involved in a conspiracy.
Investigations have found out that his financial statements were exaggerated by as much as $2.2 billion.

These practices are, to put it simply, illegal.

What do you think about this case? This seems like the true beginning of Trump's problems.
Отредактировано Dom; 16 фев. 2024 г. в 12:51
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Автор сообщения: MinionJoe
Автор сообщения: Stingray_tm

Trump broke the law. He has to pay. Deal with it.
Forbes has already published a story on how that's not going to be a bid deal for Trump.

If it is not such a big deal. why do you still care weeks after the verdict.
"he didn't do it."
"If he did it, it isn't illegal."
"But if it is illegal, he didn't do it on purpose."
"But if he did it on purpose, it is okay, because everybody does it."
"Oh and if he has to pay, it doesn't matter, because he has so much money."
Cope harder.
Отредактировано Stingray_tm; 13 мар. 2024 г. в 13:31
Автор сообщения: Sir Seanicus, Esq.
Автор сообщения: Stingray_tm

Trump broke the law. He has to pay. Deal with it.
Ah yes but when Biden does something everyone just puts their hands on their hips and shakes their head calling him a "forgetful old man". Aww shucks...old man Biden at it again...that little rascal!

So what did Biden do?
Автор сообщения: GhostHawk196
What a sham, clearly there are evil forces at play, first they steal the 2020 election when Donald Trump was the clear victor in 2020, now they are trying to disrupt him from winning again. You can’t stop the Trump. Donald Trump 2024

Trump lost the popular vote and the electoral vote. Even after multiple recounts. So how was he the clear victor in 2020?
Отредактировано Stingray_tm; 13 мар. 2024 г. в 13:37
Автор сообщения: Sir Seanicus, Esq.
Автор сообщения: Stingray_tm

Trump broke the law. He has to pay. Deal with it.
Ah yes but when Biden does something everyone just puts their hands on their hips and shakes their head calling him a "forgetful old man". Aww shucks...old man Biden at it again...that little rascal!
Woops left classified documents in a garage.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/classified-documents-found-bidens-wilmington-home-garage-white/story?id=96390141
Silly old man

:lunar2019laughingpig:
Автор сообщения: Nargo
Автор сообщения: Sir Seanicus, Esq.
Ah yes but when Biden does something everyone just puts their hands on their hips and shakes their head calling him a "forgetful old man". Aww shucks...old man Biden at it again...that little rascal!
Woops left classified documents in a garage.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/classified-documents-found-bidens-wilmington-home-garage-white/story?id=96390141
Silly old man

:lunar2019laughingpig:

Yeah. Trump did that too and he is also not being prosecuted for that. So where is the double standard?
Отредактировано Stingray_tm; 13 мар. 2024 г. в 13:45
Автор сообщения: Battlekruse
Put it like this:

You own a house.

Its tax assssment is $100K.

You list it for $200K and gets bid for $250K

You have now committed fraud.
No you didn't. Who assessed it?
Автор сообщения: Ulfrinn
Автор сообщения: Battlekruse
Put it like this:

You own a house.

Its tax assssment is $100K.

You list it for $200K and gets bid for $250K

You have now committed fraud.
No you didn't. Who assessed it?

Yes you commited fraud. The assessor is taking the information into account, that you provided, e.g. the size of the house. This is what Trump did. He claimed his apartments were bigger than they actually were.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66949606

"The lawsuit alleges that Mr Trump artificially inflated the triplex's value, by repeatedly saying it was more than 30,000 sq ft (2,790 sq m) in size, significantly larger than the 11,000 sq ft listed in property records."

When you lie regarding the size of your house, it is not the assessors responsibility to hire people to investigate if your (fabricated) claims are correct. It is your responsibility to provide correct information in the first place. Otherwise you commit fraud.

If you produce counterfeit money and the people you give the money to, don't make a forensic analysis to idintify counterfeit money, it is still you, who commited a crime. And if the recipient finds out you also commited a crime, because the attempt itself is punishable. Regardless if you are successful or not.
Отредактировано Stingray_tm; 14 мар. 2024 г. в 10:13
Автор сообщения: Stingray_tm
Автор сообщения: Ulfrinn
No you didn't. Who assessed it?

Yes you commited fraud. The assessor is taking the information into account, that you provided, e.g. the size of the house. This is what Trump did. He claimed his apartments were bigger than they actually were.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66949606

"The lawsuit alleges that Mr Trump artificially inflated the triplex's value, by repeatedly saying it was more than 30,000 sq ft (2,790 sq m) in size, significantly larger than the 11,000 sq ft listed in property records."

When you lie regarding the size of your house, it is not the assessors responsibility to hire people to investigate if your (fabricated) claims are correct. It is your responsibility to provide correct information in the first place. Otherwise you commit fraud.

If you produce counterfeit money and the people you give the money to, don't make a forensic analysis to idintify counterfeit money, it is still you, who commited a crime. And if the recipient finds out you also commited a crime, because the attempt itself is punishable. Regardless if you are successful or not.
Assessors don't take your word for anything, it's literally the job of an assessor to determine the value of something. They assess value.
Автор сообщения: Ulfrinn
Assessors don't take your word for anything, it's literally the job of an assessor to determine the value of something. They assess value.

They assess based on the information given to them. If you lie to them by falsifying records, it's NOT their job to investigate you.
I mean, do you actually expect an assrssor to show up with a tape measure at Trump Tower, verifying Trumps claims? WTF?
Trump falsified business records. This is why Trump was found guilty. Your wrong understanding of the law does not save him.
Отредактировано Stingray_tm; 14 мар. 2024 г. в 12:19
Orange man bad. 100 gorillion dollar fine.

Or how a partisan hack of a judge will have a chilling effect on business in New York. It'll just speed up the rate of people and businesses leaving that state even more.
Автор сообщения: Stingray_tm
Автор сообщения: Ulfrinn
Assessors don't take your word for anything, it's literally the job of an assessor to determine the value of something. They assess value.

They assess based on the information given to them. If you lie to them by falsifying records, it's NOT their job to investigate you.
I mean, do you actually expect an assrssor to show up with a tape measure at Trump Tower, verifying Trumps claims? WTF?
Trump falsified business records. This is why Trump was found guilty. Your wrong understanding of the law does not save him.

Honestly pretty rich coming from someone who clearly doesn't understand the basic concept of law apparently, or property valuations for that matter. Real estate valuations aren't set in stone. If I say the price of property A is X, while an assessor says it's Y, the bank agrees to X and makes profits based off of that, then the agreed upon value inter partes is X, not Y. that's pretty much on par in the real estate world and there's nothing odd about Trump making such deals. The bank made its profits from granting the loans, the loans were repaid in full with interest and no party suffered any damages.

Where's the crime?
Отредактировано Competizione; 14 мар. 2024 г. в 15:24
Автор сообщения: Competizione
Orange man bad.

No. Orange man broke law.
Автор сообщения: Competizione
Where's the crime?

The crime is falsifying business records.
Автор сообщения: Stingray_tm
Автор сообщения: Competizione
Orange man bad.

No. Orange man broke law.

Strictly speaking, no. Ideologically speaking, depends what side you're on.
Автор сообщения: Stingray_tm
Автор сообщения: Competizione
Where's the crime?

The crime is falsifying business records.

That's not falsifying business records, if exaggerating valuations is bad, sue every major company in the existence of accounting.
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