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Not sure what you are asking here to be honest.
I'm asking what's the difference between them. That's literally what my question says, no offense.
So, I'm right then?
Not literally they aren't, maximum means the greatest, highest or fullest possible amount of something. Ultra just means very high or extreme.
Maya already answered your question, Maximum > Ultra. There is no accepted standard for names, any game can call their settings "huge", "awesome", "brilliant", "beautiful" or "fast" or whatever, but by definition maximum is greater than ultra.
Well, since I didn't expect people to interpret my question that way, let me ask this question then: Is it that necessary to run EVERY GAME (including Crysis 3) at maximum settings when you could just turn down the settings?
For Example, Settings such as:
Texture Quality
Shadows
Terrain
PIP
May use "Low, Medium, High, Ultra". Settings like:
Draw Distance
Anti Aliasing (FXAA, Multi Sample AA, CSAA, etc)
Anisotropic Filtering
HDAO/SSAO
Couldn't just use "Ultra".
Since many settings can have dynamic names, Maximum implies it is just the greatest they can be.
Ultra may be a preset configuration. It does not mean maximum all the time.
Ultra, in the case could mean for Far Cry:
This could be just what Ultra Sets it, when in fact if you manually do it you may be able to increase it higher. In some cases you can extend it higher even if not possible in the UI. The UI is just a command to change these numbers.
You do not have to have maximum settings in the game. It depends on your resolutions, hardware, and your GPU 3D settings.
That's too loaded a question to be reasonably answered. It depends on your hardware and how you want your game to look. There are mods to impove how almost any game looks, clearly "Maximum" isn't even enough for them. I can play any of those games at the highest settings on my computer at a stable 60fps, don't mean you can.
Pick the settings that you want and can run comfortably. You don't need to run a game at its maximum possible graphics settings, but if you have a machine that can run it fine then I see very little reason why not. But not much use running it with everything way up but with unplayable fps for example.
Me: SMG Master
Opponent: UltraGamer
Context: We're talking about how the GTX 980 is overkill for 1080p or not. I said it is; he's saying it's not. At least, that's what we were talking about at first.
- UltraGamer: 980 1080p is not overkill. try playing Witcher and Crysis 3 with all settings maxed. You will need 1080p in order to get 60 fps
- SMG Master: Actually, 980 is overkill for 1080p. A 980 by itself can run Battlefield 4 maxed out or Ultra over 100fps. So...yeah. 980 is built for at least 1440p gaming, which is what I'll be doing. You can probably consider 970 overkill for 1080p as well, but I wouldn't because it's not that overkill and plus, the price is super cheap.
- UltraGamer: can it max crysis 3 with 60fps minimum? no
c\n it play Skyrim with extreme graphic mods 60 fps minimum? nope.
will it play Witcher 2 and Witcher 3 maxed out 60 fps minimum? no it will not.
see? it's not overkill unless it can play these games maxed out 60 fps
- SMG Master: Your definition for the word "overkill" is extremely ambiguous. Plus, you forgot the fact that I said that a GTX 980 is built for 1440p or 4K as it can run Crysis 3 at 1440p at 100fps or over. Plus, since when does a graphics card become overkill to run EVERY GAME at maximum settings over 60fps. No card is capable of doing that. So, there's no point to that argument, especially since you can just turn down settings to Ultra or Very High and it would still be the same.
So, contending your other arguments, a GTX 980 can run Witcher 2 over 60fps at Maximum settings, including Skyrim with high resolution packs. So, all of your statements are wrong except the Crysis 3 statement.
Overkill - excessive use, treatment, or action; too much of something.
If you're going to run every game at maximum settings over 60fps, that's what SLI is for dude. Look it up.
(I didn't include links because I'm afraid that the moderators would accuse me of spam or something like that.)
- SMG Master: Also, I've noticed that the games that you just picked out are the most demanding games. If you plan on running like the MOST DEMANDING games MAXED OUT and at over 60fps. Then, that's what SLI is for. SLI is meant to give you that power if you expect to play Crysis 3 maxed out. You can't expect one card to do that because not a single GPU can run Crysis 3 60fps maxed out. You have to go SLI for that. But, an average PC game that requires an average amount of power like Batman Arkham, Tomb Raider, Call of Duty, Sniper Elite, or Bioshock Infinite (People keep saying that this is a demanding game, but I don't think it is, as a 770 can probably easily 60fps this game maxed out too probably), the 980 can easily run those maxed out around 100fps or over. But, what you're doing is picking out games that have an extreme graphical prowess, games that are essentially required to have 2-way SLI cards to run them at 60fps.
- UltraGamer: We are talking about A GPU not SLI/CrossfireX
I will never believe that overkill for 1080p GPUs exist until they do exactly that I want for the price of 300-500$
- SMG Master: I know. That's why I said, if you expect to run even the most demanding games maxed out over 60fps, that's what SLI/CrossfireX is for. Your definition of the word "overkill" is really obscure, as first of all, your definition is based off what you "believe" and what you want, second of all, there will never be a single GPU that will run the most demanding games maxed out over 60fps - (Even though the 980 can run average demanding games like Bioshock and Tomb Raider easily maxed out, apparently, those games don't matter to you; you only care about demanding games like Metro Last Light and Crysis that essentially will take an arm and a leg just to get it the specs that you expect) - that will be $300-$500, that's what SLI is for dude. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp? If single GPUs can do that, then there's no point of SLI. That just kills an important business model.
- UltraGamer: R9 295X2
nuff said
- SMG Master: The r9 295x2 isn't made for 1080p; it's made for 1600p/4K. Also, I must add that the R9 295X2 is a DUAL-GPU card, which means it's technically 2 cards in the form of one. So, using this card means you're going CrossfireX with one card. It's really unfair to compare this card to cards that are a single-GPU form, which is the criteria here. So, again, you're wrong. So back to my original statement, the 980 is overkill because it can run THE VAST MAJORITY of games easily maxed out above 60fps on 1080p. Notice I said, the "vast majority". Sure, it won't be able to play 1, 2, or 3 games maxed out above 60fps (some of them even above 100fps). But, that's not the point here. And let's think about it. Do you seriously think that a card isn't "overkill" (using the denotative definition), just because it can't play 2 or 3 games maxed out the way you want it to, even though it can run 99% of PC games extremely well maxed out to the point where it's unnecessary. Just think about it.
- UltraGamer: Yes because the rest of the games are sh***y console ports that are not even close to the quality of PC games like crysis and skyrim.
even a gtx 760 can play most new games 50-60 fps maxed out. but I want to see it try to play some bada** games like crysis and see how it does.
For me there is not a single overkill GPU for 1080p
- SMGMaster: So using that logic, StarCraft II is a "sh***y console port"? Dragon Age is a "sh***y console port". Batman Arkham is a "sh***y console port". Even though there are tons and tons of PC ports that run just as well as PC exclusives and the 980 can effortlessly run it EVEN AT 4K (Skyrim, Ultra Settings w/ High resolution packs), you just pick on those two demanding games, despite the fact that the card can run everything else exceptionally. You're so biased.
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- UltraGamer: If you really believe that I will play games like crysis and Skyrim without graphic mods then you are stupid.
- SMGMaster: I never said anything that implied that; so saying that is pointless. But considering that, now you're really being biased because you're just extending the criteria to unrealistic requirements. You're being unfair because you're going to use a graphics modification that no card (by itself) will handle and goes outside of the game's standards. You've obstructed the definition of "overkill" even further and you're just changing the criteria so you can just come up with an argument, even though it doesn't follow the original topic of the discussion. Now, it depends what kind of graphic mods you're talking about. But, by my impression, you're really setting an unfair criteria. Also, using graphics modifications is stupid considering that there is a such thing as 4K. What's the point of modifying the graphics when you could just get a 4K monitor unless if you're talking about textures and stuff that's not associated with the resolution?
But, despite that, again, you're being so biased because despite the fact that the 980 can run every other game exceptionally, you just pick on these 2 games out of the millions of other PC games that are out there that the card doesn't do what you want it to. That's stupid.
- SMGMaster: Also, I hope you realize that Maximum settings is unnecessary at the least, especially since this is 1080p we're talking about. All it does is just decreases much of your frames. You can just set the games at Ultra and it will be nearly the same except you'll have a better frame rate. So, why waste your time with maximum settings when there's this such thing as turning down settings to Ultra.
- UltraGamer: because I have a powerful computer
- SMGMaster: So? I have a $3000 computer. This explains...what exactly? That literally did nothing to explain your rationale. You can just turn down the games to Ultra and it would still be the same and you still haven't answered my question. Why waste your time with maximum settings when you can just turn it down to Ultra and it would be almost identical, as if you had it on Ultra? "Because I have a powerful computer" doesn't explain much because I have a "powerful computer", but does that mean I can just run EVERY GAME AT MAXIMUM SETTINGS, no. I can, but there are circumstances where a game doesn't run like I want it to. That's the point of settings and graphical customization. Use it. That's the purpose of its existence.
- UltraGamer: so you have a 3000$ conmputer that can't run all new games with maximum settings 120+ fps?
Well looks like someone wasted his money on OriginPC or Alienware
- SMGMaster: I said I can, in case if you even read my comment. It's pretty apparent that you didn't even read my comment because I clearly said, there are "certain circumstances"; I also said that "I can" run games at Maximum settings. You just didn't even read my comment. Quit making invalid assumptions because of your ignorance because you failed to understand the context. In case you didn't even get the meaning of "certain circumstances", I can run 99% of the games maximum settings, except those 2 games. It's illogical to think that just because I can't run those two games how YOU want them to, not ME, YOU. Just because I can't run Crysis 3 and Metro Last Light the way YOU want it, that just means that I've wasted my money, despite the fact that I enjoy the game just the same way at Ultra or Very High settings and I can play the vast majority of games exceptionally at maximum settings. That's stupid. Again, you've failed to answer the question that I've asked earlier: why would want to play games at Maximum settings so much when you could have nearly the same experience if you had it on Ultra? You don't need to run Crysis 3 maximum settings. There's no point of saying you can run Crysis 3 at maximum settings when you're playing it under 60fps when some other guy is running at Very High Settings and running it over 60fps and it's literally the same thing. There's no point to it.
Seeing that even the 980 can't even play some games at the very highest settings in some games (Shadow of Mordor, for example), you're wrong already there.
Oh you mean this?
[http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Middle-earth-Shadow-Mordor-Performance-Testing/Shadow-Mordor-2560x1440]
Considering that you only labeled ONE game that doesn't follow the criteria while there are tons of games, especially average demanding games that the 980 runs exceptionally, you're quite wrong on your part. It's kind of unfair that you're using only a few games that are extremely demanding over the billions of other games that are average and the 980 runs very well.
I only needed one counterexample to demostrate why the claim is false, I could also have said Watch_Dogs, I don't think even that can play at a stable 60fps on full HD and maxed everything out. Not forgetting that there will be more demanding games in the future (possibly even GTA V, if the rumours are true).
There are also visual mods for Skyrim that would stress even the 980. I get it you're just farming for arguments against your friend in a debate, but if I were you, I'd return to him and admit you're wrong.
I fail to see where the problem is. If you want to max out on everything you are going to need a good gpu. And yes, there is a difference in terms of gaphics quality in various levels.
But if you are fine running it at lower settings then you won't need such a good gpu.
If you are unsure get a titan z and be done with it ;p