silverback gorilla vs 12 bodybuilders

[tonni]

who wins?

edit: it's a fight to the death in a cage, no weapons, silverback is in his primes, as are the bodybuilders

[C4Warr10r]

Everyone here seems to be operating under the assumption that the gorilla would fight at all. Did we get this from "Planet of the Apes" zoology class? Even the dominant Silverback gorillas are very docile creatures. They may act threatening, but for all their intelligence gorillas are still very stupid. They don't know that the humans arrayed against them are not nearly as strong or that we don't have the ability to bite them to any great effect. And we are very tall. We look frightening.

I'd put my money on the twelve MMA fighters, but first I want them trained by Angelina Todd. Since the arena is already heavily biased in favor of the gorilla's stengths, this one concession isn't too much to ask. What value does the contest have if not to pit man against beast? Well, humans have intelligence and a better social structure. It stands to reason that if we had to fight gorillas, we'd have some idea of how. And ggorillas are constantly taken down by bush tribes in Africa anyway, who simply see them as pests or food. Ask Angelina Todd, it annoys her to no end. So we won't tell her that we're training men to fight a gorilla. We just want them to talk to it. It is technically true.

Yes, I want them to talk to the gorilla. No, we won't be teaching it sign language or any of that stuff. Like most r-strat animals, gorillas already have a language, we just need to learn how to speak it. And we've got the perfect venue - a place where it cannot run away.

If this sounds crazy or foolish, I do not blame you for thinking so. I'd have thought the same thing before I learned how to "speak" to horses. Anybody ever heard of Monty Roberts, the Horse Whisperer? I've met him in person and seen him work. Even then, a lot of people doubted him. They figured it had to be a trick when he saddle-broke a horse in thirty minutes without touching it. I had my doubts until I started using his methods and they worked. Now I use them as a trick to impress people, but mostly horsewomen. You know me. Gentle and good with animals. Probably great with kids too. Now let's get back to killing this gorilla.

I can't actually talk to horses, we won't be discussing philosophy or even issuing simple commands that way. What I'm really doing is establishing dominance. Horses have a very hierarchal social structure, just like gorillas do. All I do is tell them I'm and angry and scary predator at first. Pretty easy since horses are terrified of everything. Then I turn sideways, look at them using one eye, and do a liitle licking and chewing motion that says "Nah, I eat plants like you, and I guess you're not so bad." This is called "joining up" and once you've done it properly the horse is yours. You are a part of its herd, and it sees you as a dominant protector.

It works so well, in fact, that humans do it all the time and don't realize it with each other. You can see it most clearly in interrogation techniques, good cop-bad cop stuff, and of course there is the rushing at fraterneties or even the way the military trains people. It's just a natural thing, from horses to humans and also gorillas.

Now, we're probably not going to successfully teach the Gorilla that one of the humans in this "troop" around him is his superior. That would require fighting as there is only one alpha and then a hierarchy down from there. Instead, we let him be the superior. From what I understand it requires accepting his intimidating displays with deference more than fear or running away. Well, whatever, that's why we've got Todd.

In any case, from there we beat him the same way our forebearers beat his. We lie, and then we cheat. Humans have very keens senses for these and pick up on them quickly, but Gorillas don't. We let the gorilla think he is in charge and lull him into submission. It should not take long for him to return to his normal, sedentary state of affairs. One or two of the fighters may have to groom or get groomed, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make from far away. opefully somebody exposed the creature to a female shortly before this or one of our boys may have to sacrifice more. Good thing this won't take long.

Once he's distracted or asleep, we need to disable him in one shot. Lucky we have MMA fighters who have been trained to deliver forceful kicks and have undergone body-hardening to boot. A good, trained fighter in their condition can deliver kicks with around two tons of force in an area of about one-and-a-half square inches. The only question is how we conduct this attack. My first guess would be to target the spine or base of the skull and hope for an immediate take-down through fracture. Or, we could have one rip his eyes out while the others hang back, or hold him down, or a combination of all three. With 2400 pounds or so of trained muscle, we should be able to hold down a 450-lb gorilla, despite his greater muscle density. I just don't know enough about the anatomy to say how or where to strike. I'm glad I invoked the ability to accquire knowledge as a condition.


Of course, this entire plan is conditional upon that. If it's deemed illegal then I'm not wasting my money betting on the fighters. They aren't a unit, regardless of training, and that alone would seal their fate.

[tonni]

Първоначално публикувано от C4Warr10r:

Everyone here seems to be operating under the assumption that the gorilla would fight at all. Did we get this from "Planet of the Apes" zoology class? Even the dominant Silverback gorillas are very docile creatures. They may act threatening, but for all their intelligence gorillas are still very stupid. They don't know that the humans arrayed against them are not nearly as strong or that we don't have the ability to bite them to any great effect. And we are very tall. We look frightening.

I'd put my money on the twelve MMA fighters, but first I want them trained by Angelina Todd. Since the arena is already heavily biased in favor of the gorilla's stengths, this one concession isn't too much to ask. What value does the contest have if not to pit man against beast? Well, humans have intelligence and a better social structure. It stands to reason that if we had to fight gorillas, we'd have some idea of how. And ggorillas are constantly taken down by bush tribes in Africa anyway, who simply see them as pests or food. Ask Angelina Todd, it annoys her to no end. So we won't tell her that we're training men to fight a gorilla. We just want them to talk to it. It is technically true.

Yes, I want them to talk to the gorilla. No, we won't be teaching it sign language or any of that stuff. Like most r-strat animals, gorillas already have a language, we just need to learn how to speak it. And we've got the perfect venue - a place where it cannot run away.

If this sounds crazy or foolish, I do not blame you for thinking so. I'd have thought the same thing before I learned how to "speak" to horses. Anybody ever heard of Monty Roberts, the Horse Whisperer? I've met him in person and seen him work. Even then, a lot of people doubted him. They figured it had to be a trick when he saddle-broke a horse in thirty minutes without touching it. I had my doubts until I started using his methods and they worked. Now I use them as a trick to impress people, but mostly horsewomen. You know me. Gentle and good with animals. Probably great with kids too. Now let's get back to killing this gorilla.

I can't actually talk to horses, we won't be discussing philosophy or even issuing simple commands that way. What I'm really doing is establishing dominance. Horses have a very hierarchal social structure, just like gorillas do. All I do is tell them I'm and angry and scary predator at first. Pretty easy since horses are terrified of everything. Then I turn sideways, look at them using one eye, and do a liitle licking and chewing motion that says "Nah, I eat plants like you, and I guess you're not so bad." This is called "joining up" and once you've done it properly the horse is yours. You are a part of its herd, and it sees you as a dominant protector.

It works so well, in fact, that humans do it all the time and don't realize it with each other. You can see it most clearly in interrogation techniques, good cop-bad cop stuff, and of course there is the rushing at fraterneties or even the way the military trains people. It's just a natural thing, from horses to humans and also gorillas.

Now, we're probably not going to successfully teach the Gorilla that one of the humans in this "troop" around him is his superior. That would require fighting as there is only one alpha and then a hierarchy down from there. Instead, we let him be the superior. From what I understand it requires accepting his intimidating displays with deference more than fear or running away. Well, whatever, that's why we've got Todd.

In any case, from there we beat him the same way our forebearers beat his. We lie, and then we cheat. Humans have very keens senses for these and pick up on them quickly, but Gorillas don't. We let the gorilla think he is in charge and lull him into submission. It should not take long for him to return to his normal, sedentary state of affairs. One or two of the fighters may have to groom or get groomed, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make from far away. opefully somebody exposed the creature to a female shortly before this or one of our boys may have to sacrifice more. Good thing this won't take long.

Once he's distracted or asleep, we need to disable him in one shot. Lucky we have MMA fighters who have been trained to deliver forceful kicks and have undergone body-hardening to boot. A good, trained fighter in their condition can deliver kicks with around two tons of force in an area of about one-and-a-half square inches. The only question is how we conduct this attack. My first guess would be to target the spine or base of the skull and hope for an immediate take-down through fracture. Or, we could have one rip his eyes out while the others hang back, or hold him down, or a combination of all three. With 2400 pounds or so of trained muscle, we should be able to hold down a 450-lb gorilla, despite his greater muscle density. I just don't know enough about the anatomy to say how or where to strike. I'm glad I invoked the ability to accquire knowledge as a condition.


Of course, this entire plan is conditional upon that. If it's deemed illegal then I'm not wasting my money betting on the fighters. They aren't a unit, regardless of training, and that alone would seal their fate.

lol

[tonni]

Първоначално публикувано от Skylx:

Dian Fossey most be spinning in her grave. And being that she was hacked to pieces thats a lot of parts flying in the air. She'll probably take out more people thata way than the gorilla...

you're being disrespectful and illogical

[Γαῖα]

Class post C4Warr10r, you wanted to get all in there and explore that didnt you.

[Γαῖα]

Gay dog, check this link for ferociousstrength.com

http://ferociousstrength.com/the-phenomenal-strength-of-gorillas/

[C4Warr10r]

Първоначално публикувано от gaiaconsequence:

Class post C4Warr10r, you wanted to get all in there and explore that didnt you.

Of course I did. What good are these brains if not for that? I'm fairly convinced it's a plan worth trying.

I owe you an apology, btw. For the Food Crud post. I unfairly picked on your view because it is a common view in order to illustrate a larger point. I mean no personal offense and should have included something to that effect but...well, you've seen how long my posts are already.

[Tony Twist's Thunderous Right]

Първоначално публикувано от RalphRoberts:

12 man special forces team trained (together) in hand to hand combat and self defense with years of combat experience (as a group) vs gorilla.

Who wins?

I'm still going with the gorilla, but it's not a rout.

[chiefputsilao✖️ping]

Първоначално публикувано от Resistance Zer0:

Първоначално публикувано от a gay dog:

okay have u heard of PCP

Are you suggesting getting all the guys drugged out of their minds, have them flip their collective minds, and rage assault a gorilla?

I think that is going to be a blood bath.

Why hasn't this been made into a game yet?

wait til 'the asylum' make this into a movie (not a game).
it will be probably called:
1 vs 12
or
gorillanado
or
the island of king kong
or
zombiegor
or
gorilla Z

[retro.T]

Throw in GSP, Chuck Norris, JCVD, Michael Jai White, Steven Seagal, Scott Adkins and Pat Morita. That should solve your silverback problem, but on a more serious note, the gorilla would obviously win against the bodybuilders. The bodybuilders lack stamina, they don't train for that. As far as muscles go and strength, A bodybuilder sculpts to have every muscle stand out, and a powerlifter trains for strength.

[♠ZerØ♠]

Okay. I have a good way of solving this.

Lets say a Defensive lineback for the American football (Gridiron for you aussies) team of your choice walked into the room. Now he a very large, 300 Lb (136 Kilos) and can probably bench press a small european car (not really, this is a touch of exaggeration), and he finds himself faced by 12 very active 10 year olds somewhere in the 90-110 pound range (40 to 49 kilo) They all have rush him.

Now this lineback has been coming down from some testosterone imballancing chemical, and when the rush him with the intention of tackling him and taking him down, his primative lizard brain triggers his confused fight or flight response. His adrenal glands flar up, his heart rate skyrockets, and he sees the frothing rage of a screaming beast to fight, to survive.

Now replace the Lineback with a 500+lbs (226 kilo +) gorilla who is reccorded at nearly 6 times the strength of a similar massed human (1.66 x mass/strength of linebacker x 6 = gorilla strenght), and what ammount to larger, very active children.

Oh, and there is not a single military squad trained to tag team fight a large opponent, the training is 1v1, 2v1,1v2 3v1, and 1v3 Not 12v giant frigging primate tank. Take that spec ops ♥♥♥♥ outside, doesn't belong in our angry ape murdering Musclemen thread.

[Vulture]

I would still like for my option of "for the greater good" to remain for consideration... I think it's a viable tactic, seriously though, can I get an answer about how selfless these "humans" can possibly be. Furthermore, are they still bodybuilders or are we going with like, strongmen, or somethin' now (although strongmen might be a bit far)?

[♠ZerØ♠]

Първоначално публикувано от Stitches:

I would still like for my option of "for the greater good" to remain for consideration... I think it's a viable tactic, seriously though, can I get an answer about how selfless these "humans" can possibly be. Furthermore, are they still bodybuilders or are we going with like, strongmen, or somethin' now (although strongmen might be a bit far)?

I still use the bodybuilder model. and Don't mock the Stongman competition guys, they will bearhung a bodybuilder, and shake him like a sad rag doll. (Builder can't reach him to do anything, biceps in the way... )

(I kid... except for that 36 inch bicep guys. He can't possibally touch his own face)

[Tricks]

Първоначално публикувано от C4Warr10r:

But your scenario is totally dependent upon at least one of those in the group to be smart enough to pull off this plan. Emphasis on smart.

Which leads right back to what I said. It's our intellect that wins us battles, not brute strength. With someone smart enough on your team you might not even need MMA fighters to win. Of course you have to realize that all animals are unpredictable and anything could go wrong during your careful plan, in which case everyone is screwed.

I'm sure the people in the video linked earlier didn't expect that gorilla to rush the glass and bust it up. Maybe rational creatures are normally easy to predict simply by observation of their posture, but all animals are capable of irrational behavior that varies from the norm.

For example, if as in that video, one of the team members unknowingly used body language that the gorilla took as challenging it would probably barrel into you, scatter you like bugs and crush you before you even had time to react. There goes any careful plan.

Yes, hunters kill gorillas, but they don't do it with their bare hands. They use tools, as human hunters always. Obviously humans have already won over gorillas on a grand scale, but speaking strictly about physical prowess we're not built to be unarmed, head-on fighters.

[Vulture]

I think we need to assume that both parties are aware of their directive, "kill the other one", I think the only question that remains is whether the people are "people" or just bags of meat that carry knowledge? If they are humans that are "humanely" aware of their situation the odds of success should drop due to their own individual "survival needs"...

[Tricks]

Първоначално публикувано от Stitches:

I think we need to assume that both parties are aware of their directive, "kill the other one", I think the only question that remains is whether the people are "people" or just bags of meat that carry knowledge? If they are humans that are "humanely" aware of their situation the odds of success should drop due to their own individual "survival needs"...

Good point. You don't need to outrun the gorilla, just the slowest member of the group. :D