DayZ or H1Z1 (or Rust)?

[Tyche Moirai]

I'm debating on which to buy: DayZ or H1Z1 or Rust. Which should I get? I know Rust is a bit different from the other two but it looks nice too. DayZ costs a bit more but H1Z1 will probably be free when it comes out of Early Access. Suggestions?

[SENTAR]

supertrooper225 の投稿を引用：

SENTAR の投稿を引用：

It has been in development since 2012 that is a long time. Also the game was not being built from the ground up, taking many assets including the biggest one (the game's world) straight out of ArmA 2. It is literally copy and pasted from ArmA, all they have done is add stuff to the map with other assets already from ArmA. You do realize in the 90's people made games in like 6 months right? Sure its not comparable to today, but it comes down to talent. In the amount of time bohemia has spent on Dayz Rockstar could finish GTA V and Bethesda could finish fallout 4 both games being far more complicated than Dayz. Also with the revenue Dayz has generated and the expansion of its studio Dayz cannot be considered a low budget game anymore.

Simply put: Dayz is garbage because the developers just are not that good. Any other decent developer would have finished this game by now, especially if they are reusing stuff from a previous game and a previous mod to say the least.

It takes 6 years for Bethesda to do a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game. It takes 5 or 6 for Rockstar to do a GTA. There is no such thing as 'copy-paste' in game development. I say thta as someone who has experience coding. Everything takes time. Games in the 90's were nowhere near the complexity of the games today in terms of engines and graphics.

Yea...they are using the old Arma engine...which is unwieldy and buggy...always has been. It isn't an easy engine to work with. Don't try to say that 3 years is 'long enough' when you have no experience coding one of these things. COD gets coded in 3 years...and that game is far more simple.

People are just mad because it isn't done yet. They get mad about bugs...they get mad that the game isn't done. If the game gets delayed...they get mad at that. But they can't release the game buggy either or they are mad about that too. People get mad about everything...that is why I can't pay attention to a lot of gamers....they complain to complain and nothing more.

And this is all coming from someone who doesn't even like DayZ. It is nothing but "Troll- The Game".

The game is trash. Bohemia interactive is just an ok developer. ArmA is not really all that great. Unique sure, but far from spectacular. I'd argue bohemia has never developed a great game.

And no it doesn't take 6 years to make a fallout game. Bethesda stated right after they finished skyrim they were moving on to the next big game, which is likely fallout 4. That was in 2012 after the last dlc release. It is very likely their next major title will be announced at this years E3 and it will likely be fallout. They also tend to release their games not that long after announcement. Skyrim released only 11 months after its reveal, something that almost never happens for any other game. That puts their next game on 3 years of heavy development roughly. Say add 12 months between announcement and its release will likely have taken about 4 years to develop. Dayz on the other hand, also started in 2012, it certainly will not be finshed this year, and its only on build 0.54 I think, at this rate it wont be finished in 2016 either. Not to mention they are porting it to console, which is not a bad thing but is even more work. So best case scenario Dayz sees full release in 2017, maybe even later. It doesn't help that dean hall, who no longer runs Dayz stated it would see full release in 2013 either. It will likely be pretty bad too, unless they miraclulously overhaul everything in the game from .54 to beta and beyond.

For a game a lot less complex than fallout it sure is gonna take a lot longer to make. Also if you do know anything about coding then you would obviously know building an enviornment from scratch is a lot more difficult than taking the enviornment from ArmA 2 and dayz mod and using it for Dayz standalone. Of course its more complex then say, right clicking your mouse and hitting copy, but it is far simpler than creating a new wholly unique environment. Almost none of Dayz standalone's environment was designed, and created from the ground up. If they were making the map from scratch there probably wouldn't even be an alpha becuase it wouldn't be finished yet. It takes them like anywhere from 2-6 months just to make new firearms.

What it comes down to is that the devs on Dayz simply are not as good as those in other companies. Why people have this assumption that all game developers are equally good at their jobs baffles me. Not all developers are as talented as each other. In fact some are downright terrible. I also don't know why people have this blind spot for bohemia, they are not bad developers but they aren't great either. They have made some good games that fill a specific niche but nothing incredible. Why people don't realize that they are not amazing devs I don't know. A better dveloper would have finished this game already. Sure I couldn't do any better, I don't make videogames. But I sure as hell can compare them to their peers.

With that said Dayz certainly has a novelty and unique aspects to it. I would not have played 277 hours on a game I dislike. I do like Dayz but I also recognize it is utter garbage, and likely always will be. Sometimes you can just tell how a game will turn out.

[Ishan451]

Buy the one that is already out.... oh wait... neither is. And H1Z1 is even going free to play upon release... so yeah... get that one. Pay money to play a F2P game in its most buggy and broken version.

Or get Rust... wasn't that the game that got abandoned by its creator? Or get DayZ, the game that charges you now money for the same gameplay as its completely free Mod.


You know... maybe you should just hold off of them, until they are.. you know.. done and released.

[NM9G]

7 Days to Die, and you wont regret it for a minute.

[hubris_zero]

Well, if you are to pick one of them, I suggest H1Z1, but you should probably hold off for a while unless you are confident. Like Ishan451 said. These games are in early access. Still, H1Z1 has potential and I predict that it will be a hit. It will likely be more popular on its release. Still, you can't predict the future, so unless you are REALLY confident. Don't chose any of these. But if you do, go H1Z1.

[Paintbrush Poltergeist]

Neither.

Here's why.

Day Z is horribly unoptimized. You'll get an fps of of 10-20 unless you've got some godly rig.
Rust keeps changing direction. It was almost finished, then they scrapped everything and started anew.
H1Z1 is just a cash grab. From what I've read, you cannot craft weapons, and need to rely on an air drop system to get the better gear and weapons. That costs money too apparently.

[Tyche Moirai]

SENTAR の投稿を引用：

supertrooper225 の投稿を引用：

It takes 6 years for Bethesda to do a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game. It takes 5 or 6 for Rockstar to do a GTA. There is no such thing as 'copy-paste' in game development. I say thta as someone who has experience coding. Everything takes time. Games in the 90's were nowhere near the complexity of the games today in terms of engines and graphics.

Yea...they are using the old Arma engine...which is unwieldy and buggy...always has been. It isn't an easy engine to work with. Don't try to say that 3 years is 'long enough' when you have no experience coding one of these things. COD gets coded in 3 years...and that game is far more simple.

People are just mad because it isn't done yet. They get mad about bugs...they get mad that the game isn't done. If the game gets delayed...they get mad at that. But they can't release the game buggy either or they are mad about that too. People get mad about everything...that is why I can't pay attention to a lot of gamers....they complain to complain and nothing more.

And this is all coming from someone who doesn't even like DayZ. It is nothing but "Troll- The Game".

The game is trash. Bohemia interactive is just an ok developer. ArmA is not really all that great. Unique sure, but far from spectacular. I'd argue bohemia has never developed a great game.

And no it doesn't take 6 years to make a fallout game. Bethesda stated right after they finished skyrim they were moving on to the next big game, which is likely fallout 4. That was in 2012 after the last dlc release. It is very likely their next major title will be announced at this years E3 and it will likely be fallout. They also tend to release their games not that long after announcement. Skyrim released only 11 months after its reveal, something that almost never happens for any other game. That puts their next game on 3 years of heavy development roughly. Say add 12 months between announcement and its release will likely have taken about 4 years to develop. Dayz on the other hand, also started in 2012, it certainly will not be finshed this year, and its only on build 0.54 I think, at this rate it wont be finished in 2016 either. Not to mention they are porting it to console, which is not a bad thing but is even more work. So best case scenario Dayz sees full release in 2017, maybe even later. It doesn't help that dean hall, who no longer runs Dayz stated it would see full release in 2013 either. It will likely be pretty bad too, unless they miraclulously overhaul everything in the game from .54 to beta and beyond.

For a game a lot less complex than fallout it sure is gonna take a lot longer to make. Also if you do know anything about coding then you would obviously know building an enviornment from scratch is a lot more difficult than taking the enviornment from ArmA 2 and dayz mod and using it for Dayz standalone. Of course its more complex then say, right clicking your mouse and hitting copy, but it is far simpler than creating a new wholly unique environment. Almost none of Dayz standalone's environment was designed, and created from the ground up. If they were making the map from scratch there probably wouldn't even be an alpha becuase it wouldn't be finished yet. It takes them like anywhere from 2-6 months just to make new firearms.

What it comes down to is that the devs on Dayz simply are not as good as those in other companies. Why people have this assumption that all game developers are equally good at their jobs baffles me. Not all developers are as talented as each other. In fact some are downright terrible. I also don't know why people have this blind spot for bohemia, they are not bad developers but they aren't great either. They have made some good games that fill a specific niche but nothing incredible. Why people don't realize that they are not amazing devs I don't know. A better dveloper would have finished this game already. Sure I couldn't do any better, I don't make videogames. But I sure as hell can compare them to their peers.

With that said Dayz certainly has a novelty and unique aspects to it. I would not have played 277 hours on a game I dislike. I do like Dayz but I also recognize it is utter garbage, and likely always will be. Sometimes you can just tell how a game will turn out.

Hey guys, not trying to be rude, but if you guys could take this argument elsewhere, that would be appreciated. I was only asking about which game I should buy not whether DayZ had enough time. They are all in Early Release and I understand that there will be bugs and glitches.

[hubris_zero]

Fwuffy Foxeh の投稿を引用：

Neither.

Here's why.

Day Z is horribly unoptimized. You'll get an fps of of 10-20 unless you've got some godly rig.
Rust keeps changing direction. It was almost finished, then they scrapped everything and started anew.
H1Z1 is just a cash grab. From what I've read, you cannot craft weapons, and need to rely on an air drop system to get the better gear and weapons. That costs money too apparently.

Little misinformed there. I would write you a paragraph but it would be much easier for you to google.

What the heck, I'll do a little good for the gaming comunity.

First things first, airdrops are not P2W. They do not give anyone any advantage. Or rather, they give the entire server an advantage of obtaing the goods in the drop itself. Nobody uses them, because they are so un-P2W it's pretty much calling for ten guys to murder you. And then, if you even get the loot, nine out of ten times, you get a gun. If the average airdrop attract five players, that is a 2% chance that you will get a gun. You do not get an advantage from calling the drop itself. The person next to you has the same chance as getting it as you do.

You litterally need to get a gun to be able to compete in these things in the first place. I serriously think they need to put more weapons in the drops. Right now, it's suicide, for almost nothing. Easier just to search for the gun itself. That is the only flaw I see in the system.

The reason why people thought that airdrops were pay to win was because of a single bug at launch. A streamer brought an airdrop and it fell right on top of him. Needless to say, that is not supposed to happen. The bug was fixed a few days laters, along with a wipe. As far as I know, no one still mentions this incident.

So there, H1Z1, NOT P2W. I thought all the misconceptions about this game was gone, but I guess I was wrong. It's really the most promising out of all of these games. Trust me, no cash grab here. I regulary follow these guys. Really one of the most open development studio I have ever seen.

Crap, I'm done rambling now.

[Paintbrush Poltergeist]

CL3@R の投稿を引用：

Fwuffy Foxeh の投稿を引用：

Neither.

Here's why.

Day Z is horribly unoptimized. You'll get an fps of of 10-20 unless you've got some godly rig.
Rust keeps changing direction. It was almost finished, then they scrapped everything and started anew.
H1Z1 is just a cash grab. From what I've read, you cannot craft weapons, and need to rely on an air drop system to get the better gear and weapons. That costs money too apparently.

Little misinformed there. I would write you a paragraph but it would be much easier for you to google.

What the heck, I'll do a little good for the gaming comunity.

First things first, airdrops are not P2W. They do not give anyone any advantage. Or rather, they give the entire server an advantage of obtaing the goods in the drop itself. Nobody uses them, because they are so un-P2W it's pretty much calling for ten guys to murder you. And then, if you even get the loot, nine out of ten times, you get a gun. If the average airdrop attract five players, that is a 2% chance that you will get a gun. You do not get an advantage from calling the drop itself. The person next to you has the same chance as getting it as you do.

You litterally need to get a gun to be able to compete in these things in the first place. I serriously think they need to put more weapons in the drops. Right now, it's suicide, for almost nothing. Easier just to search for the gun itself. That is the only flaw I see in the system.

The reason why people thought that airdrops were pay to win was because of a single bug at launch. A streamer brought an airdrop and it fell right on top of him. Needless to say, that is not supposed to happen. The bug was fixed a few days laters, along with a wipe. As far as I know, no one still mentions this incident.

So there, H1Z1, NOT P2W. I thought all the misconceptions about this game was gone, but I guess I was wrong. It's really the most promising out of all of these games. Trust me, no cash grab here. I regulary follow these guys. Really one of the most open development studio I have ever seen.

Crap, I'm done rambling now.

When it was first released, people in the reviews were complaining that the airdrops were payed. I haven't played it, but I am basing my opinion off what I've seen and read.

[Xaelath]

get H1Z1, you already know what kind of history DayZ got.
Get Rust if you wanted finished game but the dev already left the project.

[Peppa Pig]

supertrooper225 の投稿を引用：

HONOR(SGT)Οὖτις の投稿を引用：

Yeah I've heard DayZ been in development for quite a long time and still not full release (or however you call it) yet.

Dayz hasn't been in development for that long of a time. It takes 3-5 years to develop a video game. There are just a lot of people that do not understand that.

Well how can there be a new CoD or a new Asscreed or a new Total War every year then?

[retro.T]

I would go for H1Z1.

[hora]

H1Z1 -king!

[Tyche Moirai]

Oh dang, it's like a 33% saying H1Z1, 33% saying DayZ, and 34% saying don't buy any of them xD

[SlyMeerkat]

I rather liked them all but what does ruin the game as per usual are these hackers/modders/cheaters :/

[Ishan451]

HONOR(SGT)Οὖτις の投稿を引用：

Oh dang, it's like a 33% saying H1Z1, 33% saying DayZ, and 34% saying don't buy any of them xD

Go with the majority then. But seriously.. spending money on H1Z1 is kinda stupid.. its a F2P game.. that will only cost you money during its Alpha/Beta period. You quite literally pay them money to do their bug testing.