I have the impression there is some double morale about children in videogames

[Nino_Chaosdrache]

Like the title says I think some people have some kind of double morale when comes to children in video games and the question if they should be killable or not. Fallout 3 is a good example of this.

Bethesda said that they didn't want to cross the line of allowing children to die in their game, because it would be unnecessary and cruel. Fine, I'm ok with that, but why am I allowed to kill Young Geckos, Deathclaw Spawns or Mantis Nymphs, which all are basically children ( the Fallout Wiki says that they haven't reached their adulthood) . So for me Bethesda's statemeant seems to be that you can kill the children of animals and chop off their legs, arms and heads without any problem, but killing a human child is a no go.

An other example of this would be Dead Space. In Dead Space 2 some people complaint about that you had to kill children who turned into Necromorphs, because it made them feel uneasy to kill them. In Dead Space 3 the exact same enemy appeared, but now it were kids of an already extincted alien race and no one was bothered with it.

Also the Metroid games from Nintendo allow you to kill some alien childs and babies and no one cares about it. You could kill Baby Sheegoths in Metroid Prime, Ing Larvas, Blogglings or the Chykka Larva in Metroid Prime 2 and in Other M a baby Metroid is killed right in front of your eyes.

This gives me the impression that people are fine with killing babys and non adults, as long as they aren't human or sentient beings. But don't dare to ask why you can't kill the kids in Fallout 3 or why there are no kids in GTA or you ar ethe boo-man. And maybe mentaly sick, depending on the person responding.

[Naedmi]

Adding killable children to a game automatically makes it banned in certain countries. Not to mention all the news groups that will end up covering it as "the most violent game" and the people that will attempt to sue over it. Not to mention the 60 plus petitions to remove it a day after it comes out. Let's just not think about killing children in a game.

[chibilibi]

引用自 TheDean：

Adding killable children to a game automatically makes it banned in certain countries. Not to mention all the news groups that will end up covering it as "the most violent game" and the people that will attempt to sue over it. Not to mention the 60 plus petitions to remove it a day after it comes out. Let's just not think about killing children in a game.

A better idea would be to program the children to be killable and base the world's reactions around the children being killable and then make them invunerable. Then, modders can go into your game and turn off the invunerable flag.

This is what Bethesda did with Skyrim.

[Naedmi]

引用自 FuG chibilibi：

引用自 TheDean：

Adding killable children to a game automatically makes it banned in certain countries. Not to mention all the news groups that will end up covering it as "the most violent game" and the people that will attempt to sue over it. Not to mention the 60 plus petitions to remove it a day after it comes out. Let's just not think about killing children in a game.

A better idea would be to program the children to be killable and base the world's reactions around the children being killable and then make them invunerable. Then, modders can go into your game and turn off the invunerable flag.

This is what Bethesda did with Skyrim.

You can go into the files and remove the invulnerability? I can remember a mod that allows you to kill them. But it wasn't allowed in Steam workshop and you had to download it on another site. Like the nude mods.

[smoka-cola]

引用自 Nino_Chaosdrache：

Like the title says I think some people have some kind of double morale when comes to children in video games and the question if they should be killable or not. Fallout 3 is a good example of this.

Bethesda said that they didn't want to cross the line of allowing children to die in their game, because it would be unnecessary and cruel. Fine, I'm ok with that, but why am I allowed to kill Young Geckos, Deathclaw Spawns or Mantis Nymphs, which all are basically children ( the Fallout Wiki says that they haven't reached their adulthood) . So for me Bethesda's statemeant seems to be that you can kill the children of animals and chop off their legs, arms and heads without any problem, but killing a human child is a no go.

This is because mutated animal children aren't sentient, and they can't speak. They aren't us. It shouldn't bother you unless you are in PEDA or something.

引用自 Nino_Chaosdrache：

Also the Metroid games from Nintendo allow you to kill some alien childs and babies and no one cares about it. You could kill Baby Sheegoths in Metroid Prime, Ing Larvas, Blogglings or the Chykka Larva in Metroid Prime 2 and in Other M a baby Metroid is killed right in front of your eyes.

Aliens.

引用自 Nino_Chaosdrache：

And maybe mentaly sick, depending on the person responding.

This is irrelevant.

[chibilibi]

引用自 TheDean：

引用自 FuG chibilibi：

A better idea would be to program the children to be killable and base the world's reactions around the children being killable and then make them invunerable. Then, modders can go into your game and turn off the invunerable flag.

This is what Bethesda did with Skyrim.

You can go into the files and remove the invulnerability? I can remember a mod that allows you to kill them. But it wasn't allowed in Steam workshop and you had to download it on another site. Like the nude mods.

Yes, you can. It's as simple as unchecking a box on the child NPCs.

Anyway, yeah, it isn't allowed on the Workshop. You have to get it on the Nexus.

[Hextravert]

Because aliens and animals—regardless of age—aren't children to begin with.

In the realm of video games they are first and foremost hostile monstrosities that should be dispatched on sight.

A demon that hasn't reached adulthood yet is a young monster—not an innocent human child.

引用自 Nino_Chaosdrache：

Fine, I'm ok with that, but why am I allowed to kill Young Geckos, Deathclaw Spawns or Mantis Nymphs, which all are basically children ( the Fallout Wiki says that they haven't reached their adulthood).

[iza]

引用自 Nino_Chaosdrache：

Bethesda said that they didn't want to cross the line of allowing children to die in their game, because it would be unnecessary and cruel. Fine, I'm ok with that, but why am I allowed to kill Young Geckos, Deathclaw Spawns or Mantis Nymphs, which all are basically children ( the Fallout Wiki says that they haven't reached their adulthood) . So for me Bethesda's statemeant seems to be that you can kill the children of animals and chop off their legs, arms and heads without any problem, but killing a human child is a no go.

This must be some kind of a joke. It's simple, had nothing to do with Bethesda, it's about the law. Your country is a good example for cutting stuff. You could make a rampage around. Oh, wait.

引用自 Nino_Chaosdrache：

This gives me the impression that people are fine with killing babys and non adults, as long as they aren't human or sentient beings. But don't dare to ask why you can't kill the kids in Fallout 3 or why there are no kids in GTA or you ar ethe boo-man. And maybe mentaly sick, depending on the person responding.

Because kids take alot of time to develop. It's not just 5 hours of scripting and doing a model and you're done. You forget those compnanies need money. You clearly didn't play enough qualitygames, you won't even think about that.


I'm honest. German forums must be boring if you need to open a thread about a topic that doesn't need to discuss, because you answered your own questions already. But again, kids won't kill you in Fallout 3 atleast, compared to the mutant animals.. They mostly attack you. Can you spot the difference now? It's pretty clear.

[Azza ☠]

Plays the Sims 3... get a child to swim in the pool, remove the ladder, wait... mission completed.

Killing children in video games has nothing to do with laws/morals. It's down to will people start to cry about it for some unknown reason? And that entire depends on the game and how the child dies.

Postal 2... one of the most violent games in history, no kids to kill. Same deal with GTA, etc.

[BridgetFisher]

Having children die for most people would cause to much traumatic shock causing people to be terrified. Many companies take a firm stance against even having children in games like Ubisoft who said children have no place in the video game world due to it leading to complaints from players. Most people like my grandparents would never want children in a game like Fallout or Watchdogs.

Plus pretty sure in most countries its illegal due to many populations who are prone to violence like in Germany or Australia where if people are exposed to violence it can frenzy them sending them into uncontrollable fits of rage leading to school shootings or worse.

[Skelly Man]

Like you said, there are creatures like the Young Geckos and Deathclaw Spawns in Fallout that have not reached adulthood. I don't know anything about Dead Space besides the fact that Necromorphs are disfigured corpses brought back to life by a virus. Viruses show no mercy, especially not towards children of ANY race.

I think the reason they don't include killable children in gaming all that often is because it's inhumane. In the real world, would you kill a Gecko that was attacking and trying to kill you? Most likely, the answer is yes. You can kill them without mercy because you know that they are savages that feed off of humans and live in the wilderness. As for human children, you can't just kill them because they're attacking you. Human children aren't all that strong, and you also know that they, unlike the creatures in the wilderness, have a full life ahead of them.

As for Dead Space and the Necromorph children in that, I'm not sure. Please know that this next paragraph is coming from someone who has never played Dead Space, so take it with a grain of salt. If the children are from an alien race that is now extinct and they are disfigured beyond repair or recognition, then you should at least have the decentecy to kill them out of mercy.

Overall, if I had to decide to put killable children into a game, I would probably say no. The game is not about killing human children, and it doesn't seem right killing them even if they are just pixels or pieces of data on a screen.

[Blingie]

tl;dr

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引用自 Nino_Chaosdrache：

Like the title says I think some people have some kind of double morale when comes to children in video games and the question if they should be killable or not. Fallout 3 is a good example of this.

Bethesda said that they didn't want to cross the line of allowing children to die in their game, because it would be unnecessary and cruel. Fine, I'm ok with that, but why am I allowed to kill Young Geckos, Deathclaw Spawns or Mantis Nymphs, which all are basically children ( the Fallout Wiki says that they haven't reached their adulthood) . So for me Bethesda's statemeant seems to be that you can kill the children of animals and chop off their legs, arms and heads without any problem, but killing a human child is a no go.

An other example of this would be Dead Space. In Dead Space 2 some people complaint about that you had to kill children who turned into Necromorphs, because it made them feel uneasy to kill them. In Dead Space 3 the exact same enemy appeared, but now it were kids of an already extincted alien race and no one was bothered with it.

Also the Metroid games from Nintendo allow you to kill some alien childs and babies and no one cares about it. You could kill Baby Sheegoths in Metroid Prime, Ing Larvas, Blogglings or the Chykka Larva in Metroid Prime 2 and in Other M a baby Metroid is killed right in front of your eyes.

This gives me the impression that people are fine with killing babys and non adults, as long as they aren't human or sentient beings. But don't dare to ask why you can't kill the kids in Fallout 3 or why there are no kids in GTA or you ar ethe boo-man. And maybe mentaly sick, depending on the person responding.

There is no restriction against killing immature non-sentient or human creatures in games. If that's "double standards" then so is eating lamb when we should be allowed to eat HUMAN BABIES.