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Rogue Jedi 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 10:40
Star Wars VS Star Trek!
I'm bored. Let's have a civilized debate.

Which do you think is better, Star Wars, the epic science-fantasy space opera franchise or Star Trek, the science fiction action adventure franchise?

I want civilized answers only, so no:

STAR WARS BETTER!!1 TREK SUCks!
You're stupid, obviosly Trek is better.
Star Trek is better because I like it more
or along those lines.

I would like to say, that I like both and that both have done amazing things for the quality of Science Fiction.

Ultimately though, I prefer Star Wars for muliple reasons. I'll start the debate by saying that more people really care about Star Wars than Star Trek. Star Wars has its own holiday. Millions of people attend Star Wars conventions every year. There are many Star Wars themed charities like the 501 and the Mandalorean Mercs. There is much more excitement for The Force Awakens than there was for the new Star Trek movies.

How do you guys feel about this?
最后由 Rogue Jedi 编辑于; 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:30
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Aspalax 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 10:50 
I definately prefer the old Star Wars movies over anything Star Trek related. But only them. Space opera is only good if it's done just right. In overall I prefer Star Trek. Doesn't excite me that much, but it gives me more to think about (an a lot more to watch).
Noir ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 10:53 
bleeeeeh there both bad imo XD
Rogue Jedi 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 11:02 
Wow, only 1/5 of the answers are serious.

引用自 Aspalax
I definately prefer the old Star Wars movies over anything Star Trek related. But only them. Space opera is only good if it's done just right. In overall I prefer Star Trek. Doesn't excite me that much, but it gives me more to think about (an a lot more to watch).
Well, you have to include the books, comics, and video games, which I think Star Wars definitely has better of, on average.
最后由 Rogue Jedi 编辑于; 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 11:02
Rogue Jedi 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 11:02 
引用自 Skylx
This is the most low budget Disney advertising I've ever seen.
What are you talking about?
Aspalax 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 11:14 
引用自 Rogue Jedi
Well, you have to include the books, comics, and video games, which I think Star Wars definitely has better of, on average.

Well, i haven't read any of books set in either universe, so i can't really say. But i will concede that i loved the Knights of the old Republic games. Whilst I can't even remember any of the Star Trek Games (i barely recall a review in a pc magazine a long time ago). I am a bit divided, but i still stand by my first overall estimation. In general Star Trek is better, because it gives more to think about.
Rogue Jedi 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 11:41 
Episodes IV, V, VI of Star Wars hold a special place in my heart. However, the newer I, II, and III, I could go without ever seeing again.
Well, to be fair, half of the Star Trek movies are bad and the new ones are only popular because they were emulating Star Wars.
Ishan451 2015 年 2 月 8 日 上午 11:53 
引用自 Rogue Jedi
There is much more excitement for The Force Awakens than there was for the new Star Trek movies.

How do you guys feel about this?

Considering there wasn't a good StarTrek movie, just a series of okay ones... its not surprising that there is more hype behind something like Star Wars, which still has 3 outstanding films and 3 films that are so horrible that everyone involved should have their filming license revoked.

So everyone is kinda stoked to see the people again they loved, now that the hack is no longer on board to bring another Ewok and JarJar.

StarTrek, as much as i love it, never had a good movie. It had amazing TV series, but not a single good movie. The first reboot was okay, almost good, but suffered from "rebootitis", where they believe they have to show how to band got together and wasted the majority of the film to that. And the 2nd reboot film had plotholes the size to fit the enterprise sideways.

The first Khan movie (not bothering with the official title), did well and is fondly regarded, but i also bet you that nobody that isn't a die hard StarTrek fan can actually tell you what the plot actually was about. Most people remember that Spok died and that Kirk yelled Khan!

As the same, non fan, people to tell you what the Episode 4-6 of Star Wars was like, and they can tell you the whole plot.

StarWars is just more memorable, and despite their best efforts in making Episode 1 to 3 in an attempt to ruin and bury the franchise, there is some hope that maybe these new ones will not suck, now that they finally took it from Lucas.


Which one is better, for me personally? Neither. StarTrek is the more fleshed out, but also clean and cookie cutter universe. Star Wars, on the other hand, abandoned everything that fleshed it out, making a blanket statement that the expanded universe no longer exists and is only considered to be "legends", so that means right now all we know about Star Wars are 6 movies and the Clone Wars Children show.

Then again StarTrek is Sience Fiction... StarWars is just a Fairytale. I find it unfair to compare the two. They aren't even in the same genre.

That is like asking if you like StarTrek more than Die Hard.
Rogue Jedi 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:01 
引用自 Ishan451
引用自 Rogue Jedi

Which one is better, for me personally? Neither. StarTrek is the more fleshed out, but also clean and cookie cutter universe. Star Wars, on the other hand, abandoned everything that fleshed it out, making a blanket statement that the expanded universe no longer exists and is only considered to be "legends", so that means right now all we know about Star Wars are 6 movies and the Clone Wars Children show.
I don't know, is Star Trek really more fleshed out? Star Trek is really the story of several generations of Federation members while Star Wars is the story of an entire galaxy of people over tens of thousands of years.

And don't say that the recent retcon means the Star Wars EU doesn't count, because Star Trek recently retconed as well, meaning that Star Wars (six live action movies, one animated movie, two tv series, some books and comics) has more features than Star Trek (two movies).
最后由 Rogue Jedi 编辑于; 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:03
tmwfte 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:16 
引用自 Rogue Jedi
And don't say that the recent retcon means the Star Wars EU doesn't count, because Star Trek recently retconed as well, meaning that Star Wars (six live action movies, one animated movie, two tv series, some books and comics) has more features than Star Trek (two movies).

Star Trek didn't retcon anything. The adventures in the orginal series, films, games, books, etc. still happened and are happening, that was the point with JJ Abrams first Trek. It created a new timeline, but the original still existed. Star Trek Online (which is also considered canon, even though there are now also two branching Star Trek futures between the books and the game) made this explicit as well.

With Star Wars, they just threw out the Expanded Universe and made them "legends".

EDIT: Also, the only appropriate answer to the question is Firefly.
最后由 tmwfte 编辑于; 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:16
Rogue Jedi 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:36 
引用自 tmwfte
引用自 Rogue Jedi
And don't say that the recent retcon means the Star Wars EU doesn't count, because Star Trek recently retconed as well, meaning that Star Wars (six live action movies, one animated movie, two tv series, some books and comics) has more features than Star Trek (two movies).

Star Trek didn't retcon anything. The adventures in the orginal series, films, games, books, etc. still happened and are happening, that was the point with JJ Abrams first Trek. It created a new timeline, but the original still existed. Star Trek Online (which is also considered canon, even though there are now also two branching Star Trek futures between the books and the game) made this explicit as well.
I'm pretty sure Star Trek got retconned. For starters, everyone refered to the new movie as a reboot. Secondly, if it wasn't retconned, why is Khan suddenly white, why is the Enterprise much bigger, why is Spock more emotional, and things like that.
tmwfte 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:39 
引用自 Rogue Jedi
I'm pretty sure Star Trek got retconned. For starters, everyone refered to the new movie as a reboot. Secondly, if it wasn't retconned, why is Khan suddenly white, why is the Enterprise much bigger, why is Spock more emotional, and things like that.

New timeline. Star Trek embraced the "many possible worlds" idea. The original timeline still exists, is still canon, and is still being written about in the novels and in the games.
Aspalax 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:41 
It's a reboot in all but name guys.
The Space Butterfly 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:41 
Star Wars.
Rogue Jedi 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:42 
引用自 tmwfte
引用自 Rogue Jedi
I'm pretty sure Star Trek got retconned. For starters, everyone refered to the new movie as a reboot. Secondly, if it wasn't retconned, why is Khan suddenly white, why is the Enterprise much bigger, why is Spock more emotional, and things like that.

New timeline. Star Trek embraced the "many possible worlds" idea. The original timeline still exists, is still canon, and is still being written about in the novels and in the games.

Well, the same arguement can be made that the old Star Wars continuity still exists, is still canon (just a different canon) and is still being added to (Shadow of Revan, for example).
tmwfte 2015 年 2 月 8 日 下午 12:49 
引用自 Rogue Jedi
Well, the same arguement can be made that the old Star Wars continuity still exists, is still canon (just a different canon) and is still being added to (Shadow of Revan, for example).

You can try, but Disney explicitly stated that the Expanded Universe was apocryphal. They're now "legends" and not things that necessarily happened in the "real" Star Wars Universe.

Star Trek, on the other hand, still has everything as canon. Everything is still the "real" Star Trek Universe. The whole manner of the new timeline necessitates it, since its catalyst was TOS Spock and a Romulan forged in a post-Nemesis political landscape going back in time, mucking with everything.
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