Star Wars VS Star Trek!

[Rogue Jedi]

I'm bored. Let's have a civilized debate.

Which do you think is better, Star Wars, the epic science-fantasy space opera franchise or Star Trek, the science fiction action adventure franchise?

I want civilized answers only, so no:

STAR WARS BETTER!!1 TREK SUCks!
You're stupid, obviosly Trek is better.
Star Trek is better because I like it more
or along those lines.

I would like to say, that I like both and that both have done amazing things for the quality of Science Fiction.

Ultimately though, I prefer Star Wars for muliple reasons. I'll start the debate by saying that more people really care about Star Wars than Star Trek. Star Wars has its own holiday. Millions of people attend Star Wars conventions every year. There are many Star Wars themed charities like the 501 and the Mandalorean Mercs. There is much more excitement for The Force Awakens than there was for the new Star Trek movies.

How do you guys feel about this?

[Rogue Jedi]

引用自 tmwfte：

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

Well, the same arguement can be made that the old Star Wars continuity still exists, is still canon (just a different canon) and is still being added to (Shadow of Revan, for example).

You can try, but Disney explicitly stated that the Expanded Universe was apocryphal. They're now "legends" and not things that necessarily happened in the "real" Star Wars Universe.

Star Trek, on the other hand, still has everything as canon. Everything is still the "real" Star Trek Universe. The whole manner of the new timeline necessitates it, since its catalyst was TOS Spock and a Romulan forged in a post-Nemesis political landscape going back in time, mucking with everything.

I still argue that even the new Star Wars continuity is deeper than Sar Trek. Star Trek is almost exclusively about Federation members. Star Wars has had Jedi, Sith, heroes, villians, droids, bounty hunters, mercenaries, imperials, rebels, clone troopers, storm troopers, smugglers, crime lords, pirates, children, politicians and more as protaginists.

[tmwfte]

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

I still argue that even the new Star Wars continuity is deeper than Sar Trek. Star Trek is almost exclusively about Federation members. Star Wars has had Jedi, Sith, heroes, villians, droids, bounty hunters, mercenaries, imperials, rebels, clone troopers, storm troopers, smugglers, crime lords, pirates, children, politicians and more as protaginists.

The six Star Wars movies suggest that it's all about one family. Anything beyond that is no longer "real". *shrug*

You also have a very limited view of Star Trek. I suggest reading and watching things about the Mirror Universe and the entirety of DS9 some time.

Still, the only appropriate answer to the question is...Firefly.

[Rogue Jedi]

引用自 tmwfte：

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

I still argue that even the new Star Wars continuity is deeper than Sar Trek. Star Trek is almost exclusively about Federation members. Star Wars has had Jedi, Sith, heroes, villians, droids, bounty hunters, mercenaries, imperials, rebels, clone troopers, storm troopers, smugglers, crime lords, pirates, children, politicians and more as protaginists.

The six Star Wars movies suggest that it's all about one family. Anything beyond that is no longer "real". *shrug*

You also have a very limited view of Star Trek. I suggest reading and watching things about the Mirror Universe and the entirety of DS9 some time.

Still, the only appropriate answer to the question is...Firefly.

You have a very limited view of Star Wars if you think it's only about the six movies. I suggest you start by watching some episodes of the Clone Wars. I'd start with Darth Maul Returns arc (about a non-human villian), the Second Battle of Geonosis arc (about two non-human, female Jedi) and Battle for Ryloth (about war refugees and freedom fighters). The entire Clone Wars series did a really good job showing what life was like for everyone in the Star Wars galaxy, in my opinion. Many of the books also did a good job at this.

[ARmodder]

Star Wars without a doubt! I have the first three originals that came out on VHS Episode IV, V, and VI and also Episode one on VHS and I have Episode II and III on DVD, all of them are great and all of them beat Star Trek any day!

I like Star Trek as well but honestly there really are no real similarities between the two other then the fact they both take place in space and on the ground.

[tmwfte]

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

You have a very limited view of Star Wars if you think it's only about the six movies.

Tell that to Disney. Nothing beyond the six movies is "real" any more. The Expanded Universe is now just stuff that maybe happened, maybe didn't. "Legends" told across the universe.

I suggest you start by watching some episodes of the Clone Wars. I'd start with Darth Maul Returns arc (about a non-human villian), the Second Battle of Geonosis arc (about two non-human, female Jedi) and Battle for Ryloth (about war refugees and freedom fighters). The entire Clone Wars series did a really good job showing what life was like for everyone in the Star Wars galaxy, in my opinion. Many of the books also did a good job at this.

I don't need to. I've been reading the books and comics, playing the games, buying the toys, watching the cartoons since I was a kid. I had Return of the Jedi bedsheets and wallpaper. The problem is that none of the expanded universe is "real" any more. Disney threw it out.

[Rogue Jedi]

引用自 tmwfte：

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

You have a very limited view of Star Wars if you think it's only about the six movies.

Tell that to Disney. Nothing beyond the six movies is "real" any more. The Expanded Universe is now just stuff that maybe happened, maybe didn't. "Legends" told across the universe.

I suggest you start by watching some episodes of the Clone Wars. I'd start with Darth Maul Returns arc (about a non-human villian), the Second Battle of Geonosis arc (about two non-human, female Jedi) and Battle for Ryloth (about war refugees and freedom fighters). The entire Clone Wars series did a really good job showing what life was like for everyone in the Star Wars galaxy, in my opinion. Many of the books also did a good job at this.

I don't need to. I've been reading the books and comics, playing the games, buying the toys, watching the cartoons since I was a kid. I had Return of the Jedi bedsheets and wallpaper. The problem is that none of the expanded universe is "real" any more. Disney threw it out.

I think we've kind of gone off topic on this.

But anyway, the EU is still there. Disney didn't destroy every single EU feature in a big fire. I and anyone who wants to can still enjoy it. It's even still being added to.

And when I say Star Wars VS Star Trek, I mean everything from Star Wars VS everything from Star Trek, not just the two canons.

[tmwfte]

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

But anyway, the EU is still there. Disney didn't destroy every single EU feature in a big fire. I and anyone who wants to can still enjoy it. It's even still being added to.

Yeah, you don't understand. For more than three decades the Expanded Universe was canon. Everything that happened in the comics, the books, the cartoons, etc. were considered as "real" as part of the canon. It was one of the few franchises where everything mattered and everything created a larger, broader universe.

When Disney bought LucasFilm, they changed the rules. Now only the films "count". All the other stories are now just that stories. They no longer happened in the Star Wars Universe, they are just "legends" that may have happened or may have not, they're no longer part of the continuity.

[Rogue Jedi]

引用自 tmwfte：

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

But anyway, the EU is still there. Disney didn't destroy every single EU feature in a big fire. I and anyone who wants to can still enjoy it. It's even still being added to.

Yeah, you don't understand. For more than three decades the Expanded Universe was canon. Everything that happened in the comics, the books, the cartoons, etc. were considered as "real" as part of the canon. It was one of the few franchises where everything mattered and everything created a larger, broader universe.

When Disney bought LucasFilm, they changed the rules. Now only the films "count". All the other stories are now just that stories. They no longer happened in the Star Wars Universe, they are just "legends" that may have happened or may have not, they're no longer part of the continuity.

Yes, I do understand. First of all, more than the films count. Star Wars: The Clone Was, the movie and the show, as well as Star Wars Rebels, are canon. As are some books and comics. And I know all about the canon. I've watched the shows, played the games, read the books and comics. And why does it matter to you whether or not Disney says that it's canon? For its entire run, many Star Wars high-ups (including George Lucas, sometimes) said that that only the films were "real" canon, but fans like you and me didn't accept this. So why is it different if Disney says that it is no longer canon? You can still accept it if you want. I won't think any less of you if you do.

[tmwfte]

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

Yes, I do understand.

No, you clearly don't. You're welcome to continue your own headcanons all you like, but I'm tired of franchises picking and choosing from an existing continuity and tossing out the rest as things that never happened. I've lived through too many reboots, too many continuity overhauls, through film and comics, that I was very disappointed to see it happen again with Star Wars.

If Disney wants to say it doesn't matter, more power to them. If it doesn't matter to them, Star Wars doesn't matter to me any more.

[Rogue Jedi]

引用自 tmwfte：

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

Yes, I do understand.

No, you clearly don't. You're welcome to continue your own headcanons all you like, but I'm tired of franchises picking and choosing from an existing continuity and tossing out the rest as things that never happened. I've lived through too many reboots, too many continuity overhauls, through film and comics, that I was very disappointed to see it happen again with Star Wars.

If Disney wants to say it doesn't matter, more power to them. If it doesn't matter to them, Star Wars doesn't matter to me any more.

When did Disney say it doesn't matter?

I loved the old continuity and I still do but it would be physically impossible for it to continue having original stories in that universe forever. They'd eventually "run out of space," chronologically to fit new major events in. And without new major events, they couldn't continue to tell interesting stories. This reboot would have to happen sooner or later for the sake of continuing to tell original, interesting stories.

Also, I don't really have a head cannon. Just the Legends Cannon and the regular cannon, which is what Lucasfilms intends anyway.


I think we're really going offf topic, though. Lets try and bring it back to Trek Vs. Wars.

[tmwfte]

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

I think we're really going offf topic, though. Lets try and bring it back to Trek Vs. Wars.

The answer is still Firefly.

[Rogue Jedi]

引用自 tmwfte：

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

I think we're really going offf topic, though. Lets try and bring it back to Trek Vs. Wars.

The answer is still Firefly.

Firefly isn't part of this debate because it doesn't have "Star" is its name.

Go back in time and get the creators to name it "Star Firefly" and then it can be part of the debate.

[tmwfte]

引用自 Rogue Jedi：

Firefly isn't part of this debate because it doesn't have "Star" is its name.

Go back in time and get the creators to name it "Star Firefly" and then it can be part of the debate.

The Serenity appears in the background in one of the scenes in the 2003 Battlestar Galactica mini-series. Likewise, many Star Wars ships were inserted as Easter eggs in the Firefly series. Klingons (Roxann Dawson and Michael Dorn) and Riker (Jonathan Frakes) have been behind things behind-the-scenes on Castle, with a lead character who cosplays as a space cowboy (Nathan Fillion).

Thus, Firefly.

Call me when Star Wars or Star Trek cast Fillion, Gina Torres, Summer Glau, Mark Sheppard, Christina Hendricks, Alan Tudyk, Morena Baccarin, Jewel Staite, Ron Glass, and Sean Maher in something written by Joss Whedon.

[Rogue Jedi]

引用自 Cam's Medulla Oblongata：

"Star Trek director JJ Abrams to direct next Star Wars." Welly, welly, well.

They chose him because he essentially turned Star Trek into Star Wars.

[Tylon Foxx]

Trek or Wars? that is a question for a billion dollars... The world can fight over it 'till the cows come home...

IMO both are great, both are classics and both have an interesting universe, but I tend to veer more towards Trek just for the bigger amount of screen time... Expanded universe star wars books can be tough to get through, and usually come in stupidly episodic format.

I plan on catching up on Clone wars, though, when i'm done with the TNG blu-rays

Kudos to B5, dr. Who, Firefly etc.... I try to enjoy as much good sci-fi as I can :)