Do you have a 'blue collar job'? ie. plumber, carpenter, machinist, etc

[Råb!d]

I went the military -> college -> corporate tech route -> [life disruption, lost everything] -> still corporate but not tech.

I wish I would have just gotten my education in a blue collar trade. Those jobs are relatively secure, won't be outsourced, and won't be replaced by ai for the most part.

Corporate jobs pay better in the beginning and can pay well if you move up the latter, but they are also the first to be outsourced and will likely be replaced by ai.

I think the worst jobs are the low-skilled, low-paying, 'blue collar' jobs, with the 'white collar' version being just slightly better.

What's your experience? What could a younger person learn from you?

[Råb!d]

Opprinnelig skrevet av smokerob79:

long story short i had my first kid at 15 and was in to older women.....rich women showed me one simple fact of life....if its not a "asset" as in making you money every month then its a "liability".....costing you money every month....case in point your home....why buy something that wont pay you every month and put most of your net worth in to it???.....

at 19 i bought a triplex.....at 29 i retired.....i worked my butt off paying the mortgage myself and then sent in the 2 rent checks as payment on the principal.....paid the place off in 5 years and at 24 bought the second place....second place was paid off in 2 years as i now had 7 total rent checks to send in on paying the loan off....3rd place was bought outright......

now i have 3 buildings in a separate LLC as a fall back if the main LLC goes bust....i will always have a place to live and worst case about 9 grand a month coming in after taxes.....

i have no 401k and i will never have the credits to claim social security.....i told my teacher in 5th grade it was a scam for poor people.....

This is a good route. More risk, more reward.

I did know people who similarly bought big houses to rent out rooms or bought duplexes. With the risk involved some lost everything when circumstances didn't work out. Maybe the difference is the ability to see the opportunities or risks for what they are, better at least than those that fail.

I think having a business in a blue collar field would have been a good route.

As for ai or robotics taking many of the jobs, there are some forms of income that would be among the last to fall. Working for a corporation or in a factory are top of the list for jobs being replaced by cheaper labor. I've heard that lawyers may be losing to ai and even MDs to a degree.

Social Security is great when it works, but I seriously doubt it will pay to those younger than 50 years old.

[Xero_Daxter]

I’m white collar but my job is at a blue collar factory. I use to be blue collar but I recently got a promotion and now do administrative work. I worked 5 years to finally sit on my butt.

Edit: I actually respect blue collar workers because they're the backbone of everything. Without them we would have metal and wood just laying around.

[Apollo702]

One will rarely meet a poor plumber or electrician unless they have a drug habit.

There are many ways that people can find their way in the world.

I salute anybody who figures things out and makes things happen.

[Xero_Daxter]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apollo702:

One will rarely meet a poor plumber or electrician unless they have a drug habit.

There are many ways that people can find their way in the world.

I salute anybody who figures things out and makes things happen.

My friend is a licensed plumber and he makes 100k a year. He chilling.

[Good Night Owl]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Last Jackdaw:

My father was a carpenter. He taught me carpentry.

But he made sure I went to law school.

Sounds like an awesome father.

[Bjørn]

'Blue collar' as you call it (plumbers, electricians, construction workers, carpenters etc) are the big earners around here (Nordic countries), not office workers. Depends on the office job, of course. But salaries varies much less here than in the US, I believe.

For example someone working in fast food store or cleaning personnel might have base salaries of about 45k, and a doctor 100k, to use the top and bottom examples of 'normal' jobs.

[Beltneck]

Opprinnelig skrevet av geofruck:

It's actually not going to matter. AI agent swarms and robots will affect all jobs. The only difference will be how quickly a profession becomes overwhelmed, but this is the new gold rush so companies will be popping up all over to disrupt all of the various industries. Unfortunately, I don't have much good to say about it. Some seem to think that by being someone who knows how to manage the AIs, in it's various forms, will be secure, but I don't think that will last long either. It will only be a matter of years at this point, not even a decade from now.

I think the best potentially effective way to prevent this will be mass public resistance, but that's going to be a hard battle and the need to enlist bad actors (such as govt protections for human workers/jobs) would be problematic. The most sure-fire way to prevent it would be to just go back to the pre-electricity world, but I don't see that happening. But, a steam-punk reality would be interesting.

We barely have robots that are capable of sweeping floors or mowing our lawns effectively. Even with an external RF navigation system, we can't trust them to drive a car from point A to point B. No AI can pass a dementia test, and we don't usually let people with dementia on construction sites. Not to do work anyway.

Construction is a much more complicated and messier process than going back and forth a few times across a flat surface. Just the different schedules between contractors and subcontractors is going to confuse robots enough to make them end up doing everything in the wrong order. Then it will need to be dismantled, and done again.

[Jonathan Sensei]

I do sheet metal fabrication and resistance welding at my job; so yeah I'd say i'm blue collar.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Råb!d:

What's your experience? What could a younger person learn from you?

Seven years doing the aforementioned job, a younger person can learn a trade from me. I've helped trained several of my newer co-workers before because I enjoy what I do and i'm good at explaining things.

[76561198164054483]

8 degrees later.
Break fix technician. You break it, we break it so no one else can use it.

Heard bagel slicer was outsourced.
Mouth breather at the deli counter was still available.
Car wash was localized.
Power line Surveyor hit by a tree.
Distribution was VR'd never to go anywhere
Management is a 24/7 job 14 months of all different countries calenders.
Cheese and cracker caterer has evolved... try that.. cheese and wine all get better with age and just follows the inflation.

Trade skill is a wonderful thing. Takes only 1 wall in your house to train on. Go have at it. Tear it down and do it again with other solutions.

[Emurinus]

I move furniture in a retail store dock. That count?

[sandokanski]

Job? What is that?

[semperfioorah1]

electrician's apprentice

[Birds]

i've been posting 16 hours a day for the better part of 4 years, for free. it's brown collar labor.

or do mechanics and ups wear brown?

sanitation workers wear green, but green collar is military.

none of this makes any sense guys.