What's the point of bringing back manufacturing?

[Raz]

Americans don't want to work. There are factory jobs near me that have open positions and none of them can find long term workers. These are 16 hour shift jobs that pay 6 figures a year and offer insurance. Yet the positions go unfilled.

So what's the point of bringing more factory jobs that people won't work? All these factory jobs will have long hour shifts. In China people actually live at their place of work and only get to see their families for maybe 2 or 3 weeks out of the year.

The reality is is that Americans want to work from home, smoke weed, and play Call of Duty while being logged into their job. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. All the fruit picking farming jobs have opened up, yet no one will work them. These are jobs offering 14 dollars an hour to pick fruit.

If anything now that the illegals are gone there is an over abundance of jobs no one will work. So what is the point of bringing back manufacturing at all? What was the point of these tariffs? What was the point of sinking the economy and trying to switch out our service economy with an industrial one when no one wants that in the first place?

When does everyone in the US start to admit this trade war and the idea of bringing back manufacturing jobs is stupid? Also, if Americans are all about working, then why are so many on OT posting all day?

[Corvus XIII]

If people could craft at home and not buy China products then problem solved.

you can set a manufacturing line up anywhere if you have space and people want to buy from you.

Problem is mass marketing and walmart type stores.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

I can't make anything at home to the quality or price that China does.

[Pocahawtness]

Some people fear that foreigners steal all the work. Whether that is immigrants or foreign manufacturing. But the truth is they are doing the work that no one wants to do for wages that no one else will work for. Although it's a great idea bringing back manufacturing, it will end in prices going up at the shops, fewer goods in the shops, and worker shortages.
So, I understand where these lawmakers are coming from, but they have enough money not to care about the problems they will give the ordinary consumers.
Countries should be more selective. Only bring back the manufacturing you actually want back. Don't just hit everything with a tariff.

[Corvus XIII]

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

I can't make anything at home to the quality or price that China does.

I was making a topic about it but it got slated pretty quickly and so it is no longer operational.

Not making things the quality of China is a good thing.

Basic box that looks good can be made.

Even those auto dice rollers can make something, work on some cardboard templates first to figure out the design and then work to wood.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1290553250/custom-wooden-dnd-dice-box-tray-rpg-dice

i am not saying sell on Etsy but just the example the skill to build up to.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Foldable-Rolling-Collapsible-Tabletop-6x3x2inch/dp/B0DCBXL2CQ/ref=asc_df_B0DCBXL2CQ?tag=bingshoppinga-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80127108794478&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583726572146172&psc=1&msclkid=a77af1e2d55510bc3adf961d46a74dc8

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

but it's all about economies of scale amongst other things.

yes, i can make basic things at home, but even small things can require a significant outlay in cost for tools as well as utilising space dedicated to that thing, power costs, time costs etc etc.

[LeftIsBest-James]

Just a few things off the top of my head.
It sounds pessimistic - so I'd remind you, "options" is always a good thing.

PROs:

• supplychain resistance: vs political shocks, transport shocks.
  
• jobs - tho' risk of AI taking these jobs is real.
  
• reducing ecological cost of transport/logistics.

CONs

• first 10 years will be slow (a political liability)
  
• restricted by availability of appropriate raw materials (eg cobalt, lithium etc)
  
• international trade stabilized peace between nations.
  • eg trade with China reduces motivation for trade wars and invasion of Taiwan:
    
  • with civilians, a BigMac/CocaCola trade always softens it's view of America
    
  • oligarchs/politicians will be reluctant to antagonize it's cash source.

[THE LORD]

If trump wants to bring manufacturing back he will also have to import millions of workers from poorer countries like india, phillippines, vietnam and quite ironically, china. In the case of the latter, it's due to widespread unemployment and an oppressive regime. America simply can't provide enough workers even if everyone wants to work.

Only people from these countries are willing to work longer hours for lower pay.

So in the next few decades there might be a huge demographic change in america.

[Corvus XIII]

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

but it's all about economies of scale amongst other things.

yes, i can make basic things at home, but even small things can require a significant outlay in cost for tools as well as utilising space dedicated to that thing, power costs, time costs etc etc.

Saw over here cost 5 quid, sand paper couple of quid, youtube or sites : free cash wise, your personal data .
Wood / Material depends on a lot of factors down to your own local sourcing.
Start small nobody is saying build industry at a snap of fingers unless you got loans and business rates.

[Fuki]

If I figured he was trying to do that all along I would've considered him based.

[Bjørn]

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

If people could craft at home and not buy China products then problem solved.

you can set a manufacturing line up anywhere if you have space and people want to buy from you.

Problem is mass marketing and walmart type stores.

Yeah, there should be a limit of max 5 people per business / company or something. Lots of variety and interesting jobs

[skOsH♥]

Employers out there thinking I can't play cod drive a combine and smoke weed at the same time.

It's called multitasking and I'm quite good at it

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

yeah but you'll end up driving Cod, Smoking a Combine, and playing weed.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

Originally posted by Corvus XIII:

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

but it's all about economies of scale amongst other things.

yes, i can make basic things at home, but even small things can require a significant outlay in cost for tools as well as utilising space dedicated to that thing, power costs, time costs etc etc.

Saw over here cost 5 quid, sand paper couple of quid, youtube or sites : free cash wise, your personal data .
Wood / Material depends on a lot of factors down to your own local sourcing.
Start small nobody is saying build industry at a snap of fingers unless you got loans and business rates.

I get what you are saying but this is very simplistic and really not achievable for many for a vast amount of reasons.

With respect, it's a little like those folk who say "it's easy to make a weeks worth of food for 50p!1!" without understanding the full picture or their privilege.

For me, a simple task, but for many not.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

Wages will have to rise when labor is not flooded with cheap $3 hour labor. Thats capitalism. The workers will work when the pay is fair for them

The poor corpos crying that no one will work is a lie. They just want their $3 hour labor like before taking advantage of desperate migrants. Very antihuman rights to depress wages just for profit

[o]

transitioning out of a transport employment economy in the face of automated shipping.