How many of the Nine Satanic Statements do you agree with?

[admiral1018]

From The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey:

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
   
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
   
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
   
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
   
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
   
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
   
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
   
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
   
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

Some of these seem pretty reasonable. I'd probably say I agree with 5-6 of them. Surprisingly more than I would agree with out of the Ten Commandments.

[Birds]

none; they aren't even Satan's actual words.

[salamander]

1. satan can represent both, indulgence of sinful behaviours, abstinence of moral behaviours.
2. i guess, what does this mean "vital existence"? that good cannot exist without evil? not sure what a spiritual pipe dream is.
3. "undefiled" wisdom can be negative and just as hypocritically self deceiving as any other wisdom.
4. we choose who is deserving of our kindness, though it would be nice if peoples would be generally kind.
5. i mean the biblical satan certainly represents vengeance a lot more than turning cheek
6. i have no idea what the hell a "psychic vampire" is lol. malkavians from vampire the masquerade?
7. man is just another animal, we are just a highly evolved one.
8. biblically yes, satan can be representing of sin.
9. good cannot exist without evil, so yeah.

[Sidakte]

well, LaVeyan satanism only represents one type as there are many (Luciferians, Reactive satanism, Rationalistic satanism, Theistic or Esoteric, Anticosmic, Polytheistic), i don't find myself agreeing with any of them simply because i do not follow the tenets of any religion whatsoever.

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6. i have no idea what the hell a "psychic vampire" is lol. malkavians from vampire the masquerade?

folk creature that said to feed off the "life force" of other creatures. regarding humans it is used for those that acquire joy or pleasure or energy when around other people but in turn leaving those people without any energy themselves.

[Birds]

it means toreador; give and take for the benefit of those who are better at both. ostensibly those higher in the hierarchy; tantalizing isn't it, that 'ostensibly?'

it's just drivel.

[Walach]

Also, we have only ever heard god's version of the story.

We all know of a couple who split after being at odds for a long time and either one or both of them absolutely hate each other afterwards. They will go to no end to paint a picture that the other was the worst thing since hard-plastic.

When the best version of god, the one it wanted to be read is so dark and evil that I literally can't think of anything that would ever be able to come even close to the abrahamic god, I don't want to think how satan's story of god would read as. :I

Anyway, satan and god is the worst couple I have ever heard of and the rules they set are equally as bad! ;P

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

Seems to boil down to egoism, prefer unconditional lovw

[salamander]

Publicado originalmente por Sidakte:

well, LaVeyan satanism only represents one type as there are many (Luciferians, Reactive satanism, Rationalistic satanism, Theistic or Esoteric, Anticosmic, Polytheistic), i don't find myself agreeing with any of them simply because i do not follow the tenets of any religion whatsoever.

Publicado originalmente por salamander:

6. i have no idea what the hell a "psychic vampire" is lol. malkavians from vampire the masquerade?

folk creature that said to feed off the "life force" of other creatures. regarding humans it is used for those that acquire joy or pleasure or energy when around other people but in turn leaving those people without any energy themselves.

like a succubus/incubus? and i see, yes i have heard of such peoples before but i could swear i have heard them be described in another term. energy vampire, perhaps? those who are sapping the energy of all those around them, usually with overly cruel or negative behaviours. though, it can also be positive too, like overly happy people.

[Sidakte]

Publicado originalmente por salamander:

like a succubus/incubus? and i see, yes i have heard of such peoples before but i could swear i have heard them be described in another term. energy vampire, perhaps? those who are sapping the energy of all those around them, usually with overly cruel or negative behaviours. though, it can also be positive too, like overly happy people.

kinda yeah an incubus/succubus. i don't really believe in that thing ("psychic vampire") but i clearly remember myself feel drained of energy but after i was around people that seemed quite negative themselves, at least from my experience so far. haven't really come across overly happy people, couple yes but scarcely, usually people that seem just happy.

[It Who Grinds Flesh]

The Church of Satan is just Ayn Rand's ideology wearing goth makeup.

The Satanic Temple is the vastly superior organisation.

I

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V

Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI

People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

[Birds]

Publicado originalmente por It Who Grinds Flesh:

The Church of Satan is just Ayn Rand's ideology wearing goth makeup.

The Satanic Temple is the vastly superior organisation.


I

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V

Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI

People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Well ToS, where TST copied its commandments from, also argued that children being used for certain needs was more valuable to global health than the needs of the child. And got caught doing so.

TST seems to exist to confuse the issue, arguably something Satan would be fuming over.

[It Who Grinds Flesh]

Publicado originalmente por Birds:

Publicado originalmente por It Who Grinds Flesh:

The Church of Satan is just Ayn Rand's ideology wearing goth makeup.

The Satanic Temple is the vastly superior organisation.


I

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V

Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI

People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Well ToS also argued that children being used for certain needs was more valuable to global health than the needs of the child. And got caught doing so.

ToS?

Do you mean CoS? If you look, the CoS tenents and the TST ones aren't even similar. TST definitely didn't copy them.

[Birds]

Temple of Satan, not to be confused with The Satanic Temple or the Church of Satan.

TST was initially popularized following ToS childering allegations, to confuse the issue.

then they got a little bit of following, some power and hierarchy, and immediately began the same self-interest as the CoS.

I've been to enough of all of their functions to see that this is infact the case.

Might as well just worship the de-chaired abrahamic faiths. They're more up-front about their beliefs, as well as their exploitations.

[It Who Grinds Flesh]

Publicado originalmente por Birds:

Temple of Satan, not to be confused with The Satanic Temple or the Church of Satan.

TST was initially popularized following ToS childering allegations, to confuse the issue.

then they got a little bit of following, some power and hierarchy, and immediately began the same self-interest as the CoS.

I've been to enough of all of their functions to see that this is infact the case.

Do you have any sources on this, because I can't find anything on search engines about the ToS.

And don't have faith in anything. Faith is the death of intelligence.

Nihilism is the only philosophy that matches all currently available data and requires no faith, so everyone who cares about being accurate should be a nihilist.

[Violeta]

I'm not a Anton LaVey'n Satanist, I'm a Theistic Satanist aka Traditional Satanist

So I hardly ever think of his work, it doesn't mean anything to me, to me it's just edgy atheism. And his work calls out non-lavey'n satanists just as much as its calling out christians or any spiritual religions

A LaVey'n Satanist doesn't pray to anything, a traditionalist Satanist prays to the devil

[It Who Grinds Flesh]

Publicado originalmente por Violeta:

I'm not a Anton LaVey'n Satanist, I'm a Theistic Satanist aka Traditional Satanist

So I hardly ever think of his work, it doesn't mean anything to me, to me it's just edgy atheism. And his work calls out non-lavey'n satanists just as much as its calling out christians or any spiritual religions

A LaVey'n Satanist doesn't pray to anything, a traditionalist Satanist prays to the devil

Arguably, you're Christian.

You share the same mythology with them. You're just a very abnormal sect.