Trans rights

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Are human rights and trans people will always be welcome in America.

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Originally posted by ᵑᵒᶡɧіռɠ:

Originally posted by Simp Slayer:

You don't live in the USA. It's the fact that us Americans are tired of them making scenes in public about their pronouns and them becoming violent when they get rejected.

The people making scenes are likely paid agitators though. Your average trans person is at home playing video games like everyone else. One could speculate that anything that has to do with sex and the government is a psychological operation, across the board.

I worked with two trans people and all they did was complain and throw objects around. Both arrested and in jail for years ... they were unstable. Not fit to live in the real world.

[livinggg]

Originally posted by Simp Slayer:

Originally posted by ᵑᵒᶡɧіռɠ:

The people making scenes are likely paid agitators though. Your average trans person is at home playing video games like everyone else. One could speculate that anything that has to do with sex and the government is a psychological operation, across the board.

I worked with two trans people and all they did was complain and throw objects around. Both arrested and in jail for years ... they were unstable. Not fit to live in the real world.

Correlation is not the cause. Maybe it was because they worked with you that they complained and threw objects around :) No really, having nearly any job will make someone unstable.

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by yankees992007:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

rn it's probably safer for trans people not to travel to america ngl

The irony there, lol. That means trans cannot travel themselves to America since they are already in America.

yes, unfortunately many trans people are residing in america
and while leaving is the best option for those who can, i'm afraid not everyone has that option

What I think is fearmonging from the left. America is nothing like Nazi Germany. In those era, one would get killed, exterminated. There's nothing like that happening in America rn.

i made no such claim

i will, however, point out to trump's executive order almost explicitly denying trans people's identities, as well as the multiple laws that followed after and issues with traveling
trans people who were in the process of updating their passports had them withheld, effectively barring them from exiting the country
trans people entering the country were targeted through laws that would, on practice, stop them from entering if they had gone through all the processes to change their legal documents
right now there are states planning to label changing your legal gender as "gender identity fraud"— essentially meaning it's illegal for you to identify as trans in legal documents

i will also name the erasure of any explicit mentions of trans people in official sites where lgbt people would be mentioned
as well as places like the cdc scrambling to retract any research about trans people


thinking of it, the parallel to nazi germany might not be too far-fetched
with jewish people being the target of fearmongering, or having their documents be declared invalid
as well as the burning of the research of the institute of sexual research, which bears certain parallels to the cdc's actions

i'm not saying anything myself, but, i can't really blame the people who make these connections


the real question is... what the ♥♥♥♥ do we do now

[salamander]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

the real question is... what the ♥♥♥♥ do we do now

please stay strong. unfortunately trans peoples are having no rights in my country, so for the countries where they are being more accepted like usa, to see them become such pariahs and so much hatred spewed against them hurts me deeply.

trans people around the world were surprised (in a good way) how the trans population of usa were making strides for rights and acceptance. but now it seems so frightening. please stay safe, friend.

[yankees992007]

Originally posted by salamander:

Originally posted by yankees992007:

The irony there, lol. That means trans cannot travel themselves to America since they are already in America.

What I think is fearmonging from the left. America is nothing like Nazi Germany. In those era, one would get killed, exterminated. There's nothing like that happening in America rn.

no, it is correct. they are not safe in usa, and people like you are making sure of it. please stop trying to hurt people, it is very wrong.

they are not harming children, they are not lighting cars on fire. you are being fed a steady diet of propaganda against a group who is just wishing to be left alone. please, look in your heart and find kindness. i know it exists somewhere deep, deep, deep down.

How I am hurting anyone? I am a citizen of United States. Blame those whom run it. Redirect your comments to the government of United States. As citizen I have every right to agree with my own president.

[yankees992007]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

Originally posted by yankees992007:

The irony there, lol. That means trans cannot travel themselves to America since they are already in America.

yes, unfortunately many trans people are residing in america
and while leaving is the best option for those who can, i'm afraid not everyone has that option

What I think is fearmonging from the left. America is nothing like Nazi Germany. In those era, one would get killed, exterminated. There's nothing like that happening in America rn.

i made no such claim

i will, however, point out to trump's executive order almost explicitly denying trans people's identities, as well as the multiple laws that followed after and issues with traveling
trans people who were in the process of updating their passports had them withheld, effectively barring them from exiting the country
trans people entering the country were targeted through laws that would, on practice, stop them from entering if they had gone through all the processes to change their legal documents
right now there are states planning to label changing your legal gender as "gender identity fraud"— essentially meaning it's illegal for you to identify as trans in legal documents

i will also name the erasure of any explicit mentions of trans people in official sites where lgbt people would be mentioned
as well as places like the cdc scrambling to retract any research about trans people


thinking of it, the parallel to nazi germany might not be too far-fetched
with jewish people being the target of fearmongering, or having their documents be declared invalid
as well as the burning of the research of the institute of sexual research, which bears certain parallels to the cdc's actions

i'm not saying anything myself, but, i can't really blame the people who make these connections


the real question is... what the ♥♥♥♥ do we do now

Unfortunately the reality is the courts more or less agree with the current administration. The court today just overturned the injunction in regards to immigration. Alot of your claims fall under government directives thus, cannot be challenged by any court as there's no law present to disallow Trump from proceeding these policies.

You and supporters could organized a peaceful protest instead of blaming users here on steam for agreeing the current administration. I as an American citizen fully support these measures which I am within my right to do so.

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by salamander:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

the real question is... what the ♥♥♥♥ do we do now

please stay strong. unfortunately trans peoples are having no rights in my country, so for the countries where they are being more accepted like usa, to see them become such pariahs and so much hatred spewed against them hurts me deeply.

trans people around the world were surprised (in a good way) how the trans population of usa were making strides for rights and acceptance. but now it seems so frightening. please stay safe, friend.

thank you 🫂

i'm not actually in the united states, but many of my friends are, and i seriously wish there was something i could do to help everyone

Originally posted by yankees992007:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

yes, unfortunately many trans people are residing in america
and while leaving is the best option for those who can, i'm afraid not everyone has that option


i made no such claim

i will, however, point out to trump's executive order almost explicitly denying trans people's identities, as well as the multiple laws that followed after and issues with traveling
trans people who were in the process of updating their passports had them withheld, effectively barring them from exiting the country
trans people entering the country were targeted through laws that would, on practice, stop them from entering if they had gone through all the processes to change their legal documents
right now there are states planning to label changing your legal gender as "gender identity fraud"— essentially meaning it's illegal for you to identify as trans in legal documents

i will also name the erasure of any explicit mentions of trans people in official sites where lgbt people would be mentioned
as well as places like the cdc scrambling to retract any research about trans people


thinking of it, the parallel to nazi germany might not be too far-fetched
with jewish people being the target of fearmongering, or having their documents be declared invalid
as well as the burning of the research of the institute of sexual research, which bears certain parallels to the cdc's actions

i'm not saying anything myself, but, i can't really blame the people who make these connections


the real question is... what the ♥♥♥♥ do we do now

Unfortunately the reality is the courts more or less agree with the current administration. The court today just overturned the injunction in regards to immigration. Alot of your claims fall under government directives this, cannot be challenged by any court as there's no law present to disallow Trump from proceeding these policies.

You and supporters could organized a protest instead of blaming users here on steam for agreeing the current administration. I as an American citizen fully support these measures which I am within my right to do so.

why would you ever support these actions, especially after being shown a parallel to pre-holocaust nazi germany?

[yankees992007]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

Originally posted by salamander:

please stay strong. unfortunately trans peoples are having no rights in my country, so for the countries where they are being more accepted like usa, to see them become such pariahs and so much hatred spewed against them hurts me deeply.

trans people around the world were surprised (in a good way) how the trans population of usa were making strides for rights and acceptance. but now it seems so frightening. please stay safe, friend.

thank you 🫂

i'm not actually in the united states, but many of my friends are, and i seriously wish there was something i could do to help everyone

Originally posted by yankees992007:

Unfortunately the reality is the courts more or less agree with the current administration. The court today just overturned the injunction in regards to immigration. Alot of your claims fall under government directives this, cannot be challenged by any court as there's no law present to disallow Trump from proceeding these policies.

You and supporters could organized a protest instead of blaming users here on steam for agreeing the current administration. I as an American citizen fully support these measures which I am within my right to do so.

why would you ever support these actions, especially after being shown a parallel to pre-holocaust nazi germany?

Because personally I don't believe in leftist narratives. The actions of United States is not even close to Nazi Germany. That's the narrative by the democrats. Which I totally dismiss that "argument".

[Joe Cool]

The entire concept of gender being a social construct comes from the mind of a sick and twisted pedophile named John Money.

Look up for yourself the horrific experiments he performed on the twins. Look up the results of those experiments.

People suffering from gender dysphoria are victims who deserve nothing but compassion and help.

The most harmful thing you could possibly do is affirm their mental delusion.


Those suffering from gender dysphoria would all be much happier if they learned how to accept and love themselves for who they are instead of trying to change themselves to become something they can never be.

A man can never be a woman, a woman can never be a man.

There is zero hatred in that statement.

I genuinely hope everyone suffering from gender dysphoria is able to recognize the lie for what it is before they do irreversible harm to their body by trying to become something they are not.

Accept yourself for who you are and you will live a much happier life.

[livinggg]

Originally posted by Joe Cool:

Those suffering from gender dysphoria would all be much happier if they learned how to accept and love themselves for who they are instead of trying to change themselves to become something they can never be.

....

Accept yourself for who you are and you will live a much happier life.

I agree with this.

But there is another side of it, people should also accept others for who they are just as much as an individual should accept themselves.

If a man is more feminine or a woman is more masculine, it is ok and doesn't mean they need to transition, and it doesn't mean they need ridiculed because they display different traits.

And if people do transition, it's really none of anyone's business as long as they aren't lying or suckering people into dishonest relationships.

Both sides of the isle have become radical in many cases and it doesn't have to be that way.

[Beneteau]

Originally posted by salamander:

thanks for your support for trans peoples, donald. always glad to be seeing character development.

Shouldn't you be fighting the good fight in the Republic of Georgia? Why waste of time in a forum criticizing the US on trans rights, when there is no repressive law here against transgender individuals or activists? Or is your claim to be from the Republic of Georgia simply just a quirk?

[salamander]

Originally posted by Beneteau:

Originally posted by salamander:

thanks for your support for trans peoples, donald. always glad to be seeing character development.

Shouldn't you be fighting the good fight in the Republic of Georgia? Why waste of time in a forum criticizing the US on trans rights, when there is no repressive law here against transgender individuals or activists? Or is your claim to be from the Republic of Georgia simply just a quirk?

what you think is going on in my country? we had a sham election, people are protesting it peacefully. just like they do in every country. there have been on and off protests in my country for years about various things at this point. do you think there is being violence or instability or something? i probably could not be sitting on my arse on my pc playing games if this was the case.

life for me is completely normal. the protests are far away from me, and affect only one part of the city. after such things go on for years...you kind of are just returning to normal life. do you think every single person in the whole country is just protesting endlessly or something? years ago i stood outside for weeks holding a sign with putin in drag, you want me to be doing this again? i guess i could, sounds fun.

but after sometimes, things go back to normal guy. as much as i doompost about putin and ukraine, my life is quite peaceful despite looming possibility of my government being full of crooks. which is more infuriating than dangerous.

in fact the only time we ever see violence in our protests is at LGBTQ+ pride parades...so do you see why i might care about trans rights in usa? i am LGBTQ+ myself, not trans, but i do have many trans friends across europe and usa. and i want them to be safe, and not be having their rights infringed.

also i have to explain this to americans a lot for some reason, but do you not realise how important the politics in your country are to the whole planet? how every decision your government makes impacts countless countries outside your borders? especially when it comes to social things, like trans rights, the whole world is watching such things.

so, yah i care about usa politics. why would i not?

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by yankees992007:

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

thank you 🫂

i'm not actually in the united states, but many of my friends are, and i seriously wish there was something i could do to help everyone


why would you ever support these actions, especially after being shown a parallel to pre-holocaust nazi germany?

Because personally I don't believe in leftist narratives. The actions of United States is not even close to Nazi Germany. That's the narrative by the democrats. Which I totally dismiss that "argument".

i mean, i provided you with a list of actions that america is taking, and brought up similar actions that the regime took before the holocaust happened, which were almost certainly part of what allowed it to happen

Originally posted by Joe Cool:

The entire concept of gender being a social construct comes from the mind of a sick and twisted pedophile named John Money.

Look up for yourself the horrific experiments he performed on the twins. Look up the results of those experiments.

People suffering from gender dysphoria are victims who deserve nothing but compassion and help.

The most harmful thing you could possibly do is affirm their mental delusion.


Those suffering from gender dysphoria would all be much happier if they learned how to accept and love themselves for who they are instead of trying to change themselves to become something they can never be.

A man can never be a woman, a woman can never be a man.

There is zero hatred in that statement.

I genuinely hope everyone suffering from gender dysphoria is able to recognize the lie for what it is before they do irreversible harm to their body by trying to become something they are not.

Accept yourself for who you are and you will live a much happier life.

actually, john money would see trans people and think he can make them cis

his line of work centered on the idea that you could change someone's gender identity, especially in earlier stages of development, as a way to make sure intersex children fully conformed to the sex they were mutilated into having
and david reimer's experience is equivalent to that of a trans man

...not to mention the idea of gender being tied to identity existed since before he started any kind of research
and for that matter, trans people had existed since long before he was even born


attributing anything at all related to trans people to john money is not only misinformation, but also an embarrassing display of ignorance to everyone who actually knows about the subject

so maybe next time put away your faux-concern, and your phone

[Beneteau]

Originally posted by salamander:

but do you not realise how important the politics in your country are to the whole planet? how every decision your government makes impacts countless countries outside your borders? especially when it comes to social things, like trans rights, the whole world is watching such things.

so, yah i care about usa politics. why would i not?

So, the Republic of Georgia bans on:

- same-sex marriage;
-adoption by same-sex couples;
-gender-affirming care for everyone;
-changing gender on identity documents;
- public gatherings or demonstrations aimed at promoting gender identity; and,
-public organizations from following any law that detracts from the science regarding biological sex,

somehow does not affect you. But activism against overbearing demands for pronouns & bathroom usage as well as participation in sports in the US is an existential threat to your rights as a LGBT+ individual in Georgia.

I understand your point regarding US influence. Certain fields of study and courses offered at US universities have had a significant impact on global cultural politics over the past 30 years. And that impact is completely out of proportion to their academic or societal worth - which is nil.

Just to clarify, I'm not attacking you personally; I'm simply expressing my frustration with what I see as performative activism.

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[admiral1018]

Don't agree on the gay marriage ban, but there should be a very high bar for same-sex adoption.

Sex altering procedures (i.e. "gender affirming care") should be banned for anyone over 18. The only care given to kids should be psychological. Once they're adults, they can do what they want to their bodies.