Europe doesn't matter anymore

[Rio]

America matters
Russia matters
China matters

The Eu is broke, its military is nato aka america, Germany has lost its cheap energy, its trying to bluff with nukes now because it has nothing else.

And the minerals deal was about getting nato troops on the the ground in ukraine, to keep america fighting the Eu's war with russia

Agree or Disagree.

[BR B-263-54]

Entirely correct.

Britain and the EU did it to ourselves, we allowed a leftist brand of politicians to take over our nation states, make us militarily irrelevant whilst at the same time destroying our historical legacies and pushing agendas that further damaged community and national cohesion.

It is entirely our fault and the chickens are coming home to roost in a big way.

[ᶻ𝗓𐰁]

Disagree, you made this thread.

[Ray Rook]

Mineral deal would have made Ukraine's interests also the US' interests. By killing the deal, there's no US interests.

[Nülliflower]

does anything really matter anymore?

[Spirit]

EU is weak and indecisive. I almost hope my country would join Russia because at least they have a serious leader and a future planned

[GunsForBucks]

None of those countries matter.

The corporations rule them all and play the countries as chess pieces to devalue and steal natural resources for the corporations.

This is why Trump seems to side with Russia and China... they have all sold out their people for greed.

The plan now is to use the American economy to drive everyone to China or America so they can collapse the whole thing and come out with a one world currency and government.

Corporations being made people in the 1980's was to knell of doom for American freedom.

[BR B-263-54]

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

None of those countries matter.

The corporations rule them all and play the countries as chess pieces to devalue and steal natural resources for the corporations.

This is why Trump seems to side with Russia and China... they have all sold out their people for greed.

The plan now is to use the American economy to drive everyone to China or America so they can collapse the whole thing and come out with a one world currency and government.

Corporations being made people in the 1980's was to knell of doom for American freedom.

Corporations have always been classified as persons in law.

This isn't a 1980s thing.

[Rio]

Some believe the globalists aka eu, the american left, etc siding with the Palestinians is a reason why they are losing power.

Globalists bet on 3rd world countries making things, which backfired with china, backfired with Brics, backfired by making each counties job markets worse

Failed with making 1 nato military be every countries military

Failed with one horrible leader losing the petrodollar to fund everything

Failed with the reserve currency by weaponizing the dollar

Failed by trying to emergency fix the labor market by flooding first world countries with 3rd world workers baited with free wellfare

Thats its been a constant stream of the Globalists failing.

[ZZZZZ]

to whom does russia matter tho?

[trousers]

I am not a tremendous fan of the neoliberal circlejerk that is the EU, but I have to disagree with the idea of the EU being "broke". It's 1/6 of the global economy, third in GDP after China, and the GDP growth is steady and constant. (and that's both nominal and per capita)

The EU is a lot of things, but one thing it most demonstrably isn't is "broke".

[Rio]

Originally posted by whoa there:

I am not a tremendous fan of the neoliberal circlejerk that is the EU, but I have to disagree with the idea of the EU being "broke". It's 1/6 of the global economy, third in GDP after China, and the GDP growth is steady and constant. (and that's both nominal and per capita)

The EU is a lot of things, but one thing it most demonstrably isn't is "broke".

If you guys wanna fight russia, your going to need the money for a military, can you afford that? I hear your taxes are already sky high, as is with nato acting as your military.

[trousers]

Originally posted by Bruja satánica:

Originally posted by whoa there:

I am not a tremendous fan of the neoliberal circlejerk that is the EU, but I have to disagree with the idea of the EU being "broke". It's 1/6 of the global economy, third in GDP after China, and the GDP growth is steady and constant. (and that's both nominal and per capita)

The EU is a lot of things, but one thing it most demonstrably isn't is "broke".

If you guys wanna fight russia, your going to need the money for a military, can you afford that? I hear your taxes are already sky high, as is with nato acting as your military.

They are incredibly variable throughout the continent and the EU due to various incredibly boring factors, but long story short, basically anything can be afforded. The EU could decide to build a trillion euro gigantic pink statue of a penis that looms over Switzerland, just to say "♥♥♥♥ you buddy" for their being neutral.

But it wouldn't be politically affordable. Anybody agitating for it would be a laughing stock. Nobody would be able to argue for all the other things needed to offset the cost (they're still liberals! everything must be means tested!) without being tarred and feathered. So rather than financial capital, much more relevant is political capital. And political will.

And Europe as a whole has spent a good few decades just flopping around like a fish while the rest of the world happens, soooooooooo.....

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

So much misinformation and propaganda on this thread/forum.

fascinating and frightening.

[BR B-263-54]

Originally posted by -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

So much misinformation and propaganda on this thread/forum.

fascinating and frightening.

Yet won't challenge or expand on any of it.

Interesting.

[Lora Grim]

Yes yes. hurr durr, west big evil, much threat, but also incompetent and broke. Russia big good, much victim, must protec.

GoFer.