why do you have an ideology?

[allegedly]

or why do you think you're left or right?
so some people created this left vs right thing, you're born and you're supposed to pick a team, defend it and fight the other team
seriously wtf
what would have happened if there was no left-right thing? if you weren't exposed to that narrative, what would you be? would you even think about ideologies?

[AdahnGorion]

To subscribe to an ideal, is to be willing to betray it

[EndangeredPootisBird]

Political ideologies are modern reflections of the tribalistic nature of humans. It's simply part of identity formation.

[allegedly]

Originally posted by EndangeredPootisBird:

Political ideologies are modern reflections of human tribalism.

you mean by default people want to belong to some team?

[EndangeredPootisBird]

Originally posted by allegedly:

Originally posted by EndangeredPootisBird:

Political ideologies are modern reflections of human tribalism.

you mean by default people want to belong to some team?

Exactly. It's human nature to form bonds with like-minded people, as it strengthens the likelihood of survival and flourishing.

[Vinegaroon]

My ideal world is one where all wasps can live freely and are loved and respected by all

[allegedly]

Originally posted by EndangeredPootisBird:

Originally posted by allegedly:

you mean by default people want to belong to some team?

Exactly. It's human nature to form bonds with like-minded people, as it strengthened the likelyhood of survival.

I guess most people want to pick and belong to some team because the tribalism nature
but the left and right is a modern man made thing, it's not a natural thing. Those who created the teams then are purposely taking advantage of human tribal tendencies

[EndangeredPootisBird]

Originally posted by allegedly:

Originally posted by EndangeredPootisBird:

Exactly. It's human nature to form bonds with like-minded people, as it strengthened the likelyhood of survival.

I guess most people want to pick and belong to some team because the tribalism nature
but the left and right is a modern man made thing, it's not a natural thing. Those who created the teams are taking advantage of human tribal tendencies

There are natural reasons why we form these constructs, and why people take advantage of it.

[OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle]

"Natural tribalism" has nothing to do with sycophantism or 'like-minded people' and in fact is closer to the opposite of anything we see in modern times.

A tribe of humans or proto-humans from the deep past was actually about everybody getting along - and not shunning their differences - but using them to form a mutually beneficial community. Different skillsets and attitudes could all be integrated to form a whole that was better than the sum of its parts.

There was not even an option or a concept of "choosing sides," because your side is determined by birth geography and genetics, and that's it. If a member of the tribe was an 'outcast' they may have been cared for but they equally may have been simply left to die.

There was no ideology involved whatsoever, because ideologies did not yet exist as cognitive processes. But there also was no choice at all involved in these tribal groups, in a way that by modern standards might be considered problematic. It's kinda illegitimate to use contemporary terms for such a society but if you consider human tribal origins authentically, those societies were basically a form of ethno-communism.


What is manifesting in contemporary culture is not some kind of "back to the source" movement, because none of that lifestyle holds any relevance in modern society anymore.

Instead, what we're seeing is the propagandist exploitation of relict cognitive "leftovers" to induce a divisive state of perpetual mistrust, hatred, and panic that serves to shore up the interests of a hegemony of globalist narcissists.

Contemporary tribalism has no bearing our our survivability and no legitimate role in our culture; it only serves to perpetuate power monopolies. It is an outdated system - like a cognitive appendix - and we must divest ourselves of its trappings should we actually desire to progress in our evolution rather than stagnate.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by EndangeredPootisBird:

Political ideologies are modern reflections of the tribalistic nature of humans. It's simply part of identity formation.

This is more or less the answer; we frequently define ourselves more by opposition than true allegiance.

I am not a leftist, for example. I just think Trump and his gaggle of laughably unqualified roadies are an existential threat to our dominance on the world stage.

[Сааребас]

Originally posted by Vinegaroon:

My ideal world is one where all wasps can live freely and are loved and respected by all

F... wasps.
In my youth I walked in the forest, in the dark, slightly of the path.
Track suit and everything.

My whole leg was swarmed with wasps.
Lucky I only got stung a couple of dozen times.

Wasps are evil and if they didn't pollinate they could go right where mosquitoes should be.

[Maximus10113X]

Both as bad as each other

[Fuki]

Political ideologies are pretty much creations of the french revolution designed to delude people into the belief that they are controlling the community they are separated from. It's linked up with the Enlightenment idea of progress that humanity would unify over who is the "most rational". I've abstractly rejected politics for a while, but I can't say that I lack values. The danger of politics is how it is essentially a marketplace of values, and the culture war is a result of values, not politics...

[Jololo]

Originally posted by EndangeredPootisBird:

Exactly. It's human nature to form bonds with like-minded people, as it strengthens the likelihood of survival and flourishing.

Bonds? Teams?
I only follow ideals because of virtue and nothing else.
It is more of tendency than human nature most people have tribalism but not everyone.

[EndangeredPootisBird]

Originally posted by Jololo:

Originally posted by EndangeredPootisBird:

Exactly. It's human nature to form bonds with like-minded people, as it strengthens the likelihood of survival and flourishing.

Bonds? Teams?
I only follow ideals because of virtue and nothing else.
It is more of tendency than human nature most people have tribalism but not everyone.

Humans are literally a tribal species. This is how we function and survive, regardless if you decide to follow anyone or not.

[EmperorChubbsIII]

Tribalism