PC gaming became just a pain

[Romano338]

I'm so disappointed at how much of a pain gaming on PC became over the years...
I bought a gaming PC to catch up a bit on some games I missed over the last few years, with life and all. I'm at that point where I just want to buy the game, install it, play it.
But it turns out it's never that easy. Games are riddled with problem. You have crashes, error messages, issues everywhere. So you go online, look for answers. Some people say "this" works. Some say "that" works. Ultimately, it doesn't. It works for some people, it doesn't for other people. You have to try to disable some brand new features from the last generation of GPU (yeah right, I bought an expensive GPU to disable everywthing it gives me, in order to play a game?!)
And you quickly spend more time trying to fix issues than you are playing...

I've never been pro-PC or pro-console. I usually prefer PC though. But I can't help but think that games on console give way less issues. Which is good for casuals who don't want the bother. BUt will the casual be willing to buy a console to play here and there? I know I'm not.
But PC just becomes impossible.
Last 2 games I tried (not games from the last 6 months either), I had so many issues I gave up and got a refund. Thankfully those weren't Steam games because I would have been boned, with the 2 hours limit to get a refund...

There you go, just a rant. Sorry if you're not interested or disagree, but that's how it is for me.

[eram]

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Escrito originalmente por crunchyfrog:

You have it the wrong way round.

Steam do not sell broken games or at least have this responsiblity.

They CANNOT change games of which they own no copyright or other rights for. It's wrong for them to do so and they would be rightly sued.

The fault is entirely on those publishers or devs that release them here. They could do the same and release that content they also have on GOG and many actually do. BUt that's entirely on THEM.

Regardless of who is to blame for out of date games, the idea that Steam games run flawlessly 90% of the time is preposterously naive. This thread is wild. "Click button on steam, play.." my ass. The forums are literally packed with patch guides and pages of bug fixes.

Lol 90% of your games have issues? 🤣

[Xero_Daxter]

Escrito originalmente por eram:

Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

Regardless of who is to blame for out of date games, the idea that Steam games run flawlessly 90% of the time is preposterously naive. This thread is wild. "Click button on steam, play.." my ass. The forums are literally packed with patch guides and pages of bug fixes.

Lol 90% of your games have issues? 🤣

Sounds more like a “him” problem than anything else. Lbfao.

[Incarnate]

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Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

Regardless of who is to blame for out of date games, the idea that Steam games run flawlessly 90% of the time is preposterously naive. This thread is wild. "Click button on steam, play.." my ass. The forums are literally packed with patch guides and pages of bug fixes.

Lol 90% of your games have issues? 🤣

No, there's about a 10-15% rate of bugs or gltiches.

So about 80% run "flawlessly." And that's not counting all the widescreen fixes, patches for out of date drivers, and fixes to patch out aim acceleration or tweaks to ini files.

[Incarnate]

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Escrito originalmente por eram:

Lol 90% of your games have issues? 🤣

Sounds more like a “him” problem than anything else. Lbfao.

I can see you've never played GTA IV or Saint Row 2. Those were perfect ports?

What are you people smoking? Even Half Life 2, the most famous title on Steam, had glitches that had to be fixed by modders.

[Piston Smashed™]

Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

Escrito originalmente por Xero_Daxter:

Sounds more like a “him” problem than anything else. Lbfao.

I can see you've never played GTA IV or Saint Row 2. Those were perfect ports?

What are you people smoking? Even Half Life 2, the most famous title on Steam, had glitches that had to be fixed by modders.

I've never used a mod to fix any game in 27 years or so of PC gaming, so you'll have to help me figure out what I've been smoking so I can share it with you.

[Soap]

Hmm well I do have a suggestion. I think I can understand the frustration, though I'm in the majority of not having much issue. For people who know most of what's needed to get games running optimally on PC, it's usually not difficult to troubleshoot issues, and a significant portion of that is getting done before the problems crop up in the first place by doing basic things to meet requirements, or avoid issues in the first place. These things have mostly gotten easier, and less time consuming over the years in general due to tech advancement.

With how common it sounds to be for you to have issues, it could be an indication of one or more issues that are common for you. Therefore, I encourage you to try to keep an eye out for common issues. Perhaps there's someone you can get to help you in-person. If you don't have any ideas on who to get help from, I suggest trying a library. A library near you might offer a class on something computer related, and while the class itself might not apply to you, the person teaching it might have some free time to simply help you in-person somehow. Probably many librarians out there who know enough to help you even. And even if you're on a desktop, not a laptop, the library might have a room you could setup your PC in for the purpose of getting assistance. Shouldn't hurt to ask anyway.

Good luck.

[Incarnate]

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Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

I can see you've never played GTA IV or Saint Row 2. Those were perfect ports?

What are you people smoking? Even Half Life 2, the most famous title on Steam, had glitches that had to be fixed by modders.

I've never used a mod to fix any game in 27 years or so of PC gaming, so you'll have to help me figure out what I've been smoking so I can share it with you. :spazwinky:

Something is fishy here.

People are talking about how immaculate games on Steam on. Meanwhile, Valve literally celebrates the 25th anniversary of their signature game by breaking it: https://steamcommunity.com/app/70/discussions/0/4040353770028678368/?ctp=3

[Piston Smashed™]

Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

Escrito originalmente por Piston Smashed™:

I've never used a mod to fix any game in 27 years or so of PC gaming, so you'll have to help me figure out what I've been smoking so I can share it with you.

Something is fishy here.

People are talking about how immaculate games on Steam on. Meanwhile, Valve literally celebrates the 25th anniversary of their signature game by breaking it: https://steamcommunity.com/app/70/discussions/0/4040353770028678368/?ctp=3

What is fishy about saying I've never used a "mod" to fix a game before?

In all of my time of online gaming I've only ever used mods in DiRT2 to change a few car skins in the GFWL version.

I have never needed to use one to fix a single game. Have I had problems after a game has been updated? Oh Yes!!! Many many times, lets take Half Life as you mentioned it. That used to be a real pain to update, especially if you played Counter Strike in the days before Steam.

Looking at that link you provided is something that happens all the time with PC gaming, an update is released, something breaks, it gets fixed with a new update. I mean people are complaining about Half Life being broken in that thread but the very next day they stop complaining because the game wasn't as broken as you think it was. You've just seen everyone saying it is broken and gone with that, without looking in to why or how it was fixed. It certainly didn't require a mod to fix the game.

[Incarnate]

Escrito originalmente por Piston Smashed™:

Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

Something is fishy here.

People are talking about how immaculate games on Steam on. Meanwhile, Valve literally celebrates the 25th anniversary of their signature game by breaking it: https://steamcommunity.com/app/70/discussions/0/4040353770028678368/?ctp=3

What is fishy about saying I've never used a "mod" to fix a game before?

In all of my time of online gaming I've only ever used mods in DiRT2 to change a few car skins in the GFWL version.

I have never needed to use one to fix a single game. Have I had problems after a game has been updated? Oh Yes!!! Many many times, lets take Half Life as you mentioned it. That used to be a real pain to update, especially if you played Counter Strike in the days before Steam.

Looking at that link you provided is something that happens all the time with PC gaming, an update is released, something breaks, it gets fixed with a new update. I mean people are complaining about Half Life being broken in that thread but the very next day they stop complaining because the game wasn't as broken as you think it was. You've just seen everyone saying it is broken and gone with that, without looking in to why or how it was fixed. It certainly didn't require a mod to fix the game. :spazwinky:

My only point was that Steam still requires work arounds, whether it's a mod, editing files, or fiddling with command prompts. That's not even controversial. Pcgamingwiki exists for a reason. Watch a retro channel on YouTube, it's extremely common, in fact it's practically inevitable.

There was a guy claiming that out of several thousand PC games dating back 25 years, he's only run into one game that didn't run perfectly. That is a laughably stupid claim to any actual PC gamer. (I can only assume he is a PC purist and thought I was a console guy or something, lol)

[KarmaKrazi]

Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

Escrito originalmente por Piston Smashed™:

What is fishy about saying I've never used a "mod" to fix a game before?

In all of my time of online gaming I've only ever used mods in DiRT2 to change a few car skins in the GFWL version.

I have never needed to use one to fix a single game. Have I had problems after a game has been updated? Oh Yes!!! Many many times, lets take Half Life as you mentioned it. That used to be a real pain to update, especially if you played Counter Strike in the days before Steam.

Looking at that link you provided is something that happens all the time with PC gaming, an update is released, something breaks, it gets fixed with a new update. I mean people are complaining about Half Life being broken in that thread but the very next day they stop complaining because the game wasn't as broken as you think it was. You've just seen everyone saying it is broken and gone with that, without looking in to why or how it was fixed. It certainly didn't require a mod to fix the game. :spazwinky:

My only point was that Steam still requires work arounds, whether it's a mod, editing files, or fiddling with command prompts. That's not even controversial. Pcgamingwiki exists for a reason. Watch a retro channel on YouTube, it's extremely common, in fact it's practically inevitable.

There was a guy claiming that out of several thousand PC games dating back 25 years, he's only run into one game that didn't run perfectly. That is a laughably stupid claim to any actual PC gamer. (I can only assume he is a PC purist and thought I was a console guy or something, lol)

Not stupid at all to be honest. I've had the same experience. Hundreds of games and I've never had to mod one to get it to work. Buy, download, and play. That simple. You may be nitpicking small visual bugs, or something along that lines? A lot of games are known for them, like the elder scrolls/ fallout series. They're still playable though, and fully work. You're making it seem like games just flat out don't work, or aren't playable, all the time. Not been the experience I've had. Sure an update here or there has broken things in the past, but there's usually a hotfix for them out right away.

[Incarnate]

Escrito originalmente por KarmaKrazi:

Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

My only point was that Steam still requires work arounds, whether it's a mod, editing files, or fiddling with command prompts. That's not even controversial. Pcgamingwiki exists for a reason. Watch a retro channel on YouTube, it's extremely common, in fact it's practically inevitable.

There was a guy claiming that out of several thousand PC games dating back 25 years, he's only run into one game that didn't run perfectly. That is a laughably stupid claim to any actual PC gamer. (I can only assume he is a PC purist and thought I was a console guy or something, lol)

You're making it seem like games just flat out don't work, or aren't playable, all the time. Not been the experience I've had. Sure an update here or there has broken things in the past, but there's usually a hotfix for them out right away.

I never said all games are buggy. I specifically said about 80% were playable. Jesus, read the comments.

I suddenly get the PC master race meme now. This is like trying to talk to a roomful of Scientologists.

[Piston Smashed™]

Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

Escrito originalmente por Piston Smashed™:

What is fishy about saying I've never used a "mod" to fix a game before?

In all of my time of online gaming I've only ever used mods in DiRT2 to change a few car skins in the GFWL version.

I have never needed to use one to fix a single game. Have I had problems after a game has been updated? Oh Yes!!! Many many times, lets take Half Life as you mentioned it. That used to be a real pain to update, especially if you played Counter Strike in the days before Steam.

Looking at that link you provided is something that happens all the time with PC gaming, an update is released, something breaks, it gets fixed with a new update. I mean people are complaining about Half Life being broken in that thread but the very next day they stop complaining because the game wasn't as broken as you think it was. You've just seen everyone saying it is broken and gone with that, without looking in to why or how it was fixed. It certainly didn't require a mod to fix the game.

My only point was that Steam still requires work arounds, whether it's a mod, editing files, or fiddling with command prompts. That's not even controversial. Pcgamingwiki exists for a reason. Watch a retro channel on YouTube, it's extremely common, in fact it's practically inevitable.

There was a guy claiming that out of several thousand PC games dating back 25 years, he's only run into one game that didn't run perfectly. That is a laughably stupid claim to any actual PC gamer. (I can only assume he is a PC purist and thought I was a console guy or something, lol)

Welcome to PC gaming, where stuff don't work sometimes for some people while it works fine for others. It has been this way for as long as I have been here.

I am also one of those people who can go back over 25 years and has thousands of games and have never had an issue where I needed to install a mod, run command prompts to fix a game. I've rarely edited anything etc, Counter Strike configs is about as far as I've gone and most of that was for my buy and name scripts.

People are always claiming things are broken and don't work but most of the time it is down to an issue with their system. Hell, there have been plenty of people who have claimed games don't work and yet I've gone ahead downloaded, installed and played the game right there and then to show they do.

[GunsForBucks]

Ray tracing is garbage.

Bloom was the same garbage.

Disable those to start with. Probably remove most of your problems running games.

Sucks to waste your money on the latest GPU but here we are.

It's a big publicity stunt really to get you to buy more expensive gear.
Depending on the game you probably wouldn't notice much difference anyway unless you are a videofile.

Yeah I was running through the area shooting. Didn't really notice as I was trying to stay alive.

You know?

[TheCr33pur]

There are alot of games and so little time to play. There are some games are annoying, especially the new ones that you really excited about. Some are hard to beat and some are too easy or lack of interest.

I regret buying some of them and turn out garbage.

[Valfossa]

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Escrito originalmente por Incarnate:

Cool, you've played three games on Steam. Otherwise you'd know most modern PC are broken or buggy on launch.

Probably half the games released before 2010 are borderline unplayable without third-party mods and patches. Not even joking when I say you need four or five separate fixes just to get Max Payne running. I envy the PC gamer that doesn't know what "Game for Windows Live" is.

yes 3 games
GFWL is still running today you can add GFWL keys still.

i have 1 game from 2001 that stopped working on windows 11 and that annoys me somewhat. the other 1000s are still ok.

got 8024 dos games have you? because i have :D
(eXoDOS)

"8024 DOS games" Like that matters considering you can emulate the lot, and getting the roms for them is not that hard.

Technically speaking I've got every single DOS game ever made, do you? Because I have :D