Forced diversity is not diversity

lailaamell 2 febr. la 10:32

kinda true for forced hurts and tend to do reverse effect

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Rumpelcrutchskin 2 febr. la 10:33

No diversity at all is also not diversity.

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Kweeb 2 febr. la 10:36

If you hire someone based on what they look like that is what they'll always be, just that

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The nameless Gamer 2 febr. la 10:40

"Forced" diversity is a myth people made up to justify racial intolerance. And they claim that people were hired on a position "only because of their skin colour" for a job they wouldn't even apply for to begin with. Especially in a corporate dystopia such as the US, where incompetence is tolerated only if you're an executive at the top and you have someone else to blame.

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Kweeb 2 febr. la 10:41

Postat inițial de The nameless Gamer:
"Forced" diversity is a myth people made up to justify racial intolerance. And they claim that people were hired on a position "only because of their skin colour" for a job they wouldn't even apply for to begin with. Especially in a corporate dystopia such as the US, where incompetence is tolerated only if you're an executive at the top and you have someone else to blame.

explain Affirmative Action then....

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Ray Rook 2 febr. la 10:58

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No diversity at all is also not diversity.

True, but why is diversity even a goal to be achieved?

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Postat inițial de The nameless Gamer:
"Forced" diversity is a myth people made up to justify racial intolerance. And they claim that people were hired on a position "only because of their skin colour" for a job they wouldn't even apply for to begin with. Especially in a corporate dystopia such as the US, where incompetence is tolerated only if you're an executive at the top and you have someone else to blame.
explain Affirmative Action then....

Discrimination.

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The nameless Gamer 2 febr. la 11:02

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"Forced" diversity is a myth people made up to justify racial intolerance. And they claim that people were hired on a position "only because of their skin colour" for a job they wouldn't even apply for to begin with. Especially in a corporate dystopia such as the US, where incompetence is tolerated only if you're an executive at the top and you have someone else to blame.
explain Affirmative Action then....

Here's an example of an Affirmative Action. Take a picture of ANY executive board meeting... and count the non-white people. I bet you'd need one (maimed) hand at most.

Editat ultima dată de The nameless Gamer; 2 febr. la 11:03

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Tsubame ⭐ 2 febr. la 11:21

Promoting something is not the same as forcing something.

Anyway, minorities are composing ever larger proportion of the populations in the world, due to immigration, miscegenation, and population growth, even in places where they traditionally they are not seen such as, such as in East Asia, so it makes sense that workplaces would become more diverse too.

More than half of the births in the US since the beginning of the decade are "minorities", and their proportion is only increasing.

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Ray Rook 2 febr. la 11:32

Postat inițial de Tsubame ⭐:
Promoting something is not the same as forcing something.

Anyway, minorities are composing ever larger proportion of the populations in the world, due to immigration, miscegenation, and population growth, even in places where they traditionally they are not seen such as, such as in East Asia, so it makes sense that workplaces would become more diverse too.

More than half of the births in the US since the beginning of the decade are "minorities", and their proportion is only increasing.

DEI is forcing, not promoting.

You're not from here, so of course you don't see it.

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Tsubame ⭐ 2 febr. la 11:50

Postat inițial de Ray Rook:
Postat inițial de Tsubame ⭐:
Promoting something is not the same as forcing something.

Anyway, minorities are composing ever larger proportion of the populations in the world, due to immigration, miscegenation, and population growth, even in places where they traditionally they are not seen such as, such as in East Asia, so it makes sense that workplaces would become more diverse too.

More than half of the births in the US since the beginning of the decade are "minorities", and their proportion is only increasing.
DEI is forcing, not promoting.

You're not from here, so of course you don't see it.

The place where I live is irrelevant to point being discussed, and you do not even know where it is.

Either way, DEI is a general framework that applies everywhere, not just in a specific country or firm. It is a fact that certain minorities are discriminated against, and such initiatives try to rectify that, on the long term.

It does not apply also specifically for/against certain races - i.e. Caucasian and Eurasians in Japan and Korea are a growing minority there, and certainly have higher rates of discrimination in the workplace than "regular Japanese" workers.

That being said, I do not agree with quota based numbers for things like jobs or university positions based on race. But that is just one tool that can be used as part of DEI initiatives, though one too extreme to my liking.

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Ray Rook 2 febr. la 11:52

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DEI is forcing, not promoting.

You're not from here, so of course you don't see it.

The place where I live is irrelevant to point being discussed, and you do not even know where it is.

It's relevant for exactly the rest of your post. You're not here to see what's going on. I can describe to you the taste of Hawaiian Punch, but I can't give you the experience.

You aren't seeing it in action. You're reading the idea of it. You don't work at a company with a small group doing DEI.

Editat ultima dată de Ray Rook; 2 febr. la 11:53

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Tsubame ⭐ 2 febr. la 11:53

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The place where I live is irrelevant to point being discussed, and you do not even know where it is.
It's relevant for exactly the rest of your post. You're not here to see what's going on. I can describe to you the taste of Hawaiian Punch, but I can't give you the experience.

As I mentioned:

Either way, DEI is a general framework that applies everywhere, not just in a specific country or firm. It is a fact that certain minorities are discriminated against, and such initiatives try to rectify that, on the long term.

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Ray Rook 2 febr. la 11:57

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Postat inițial de Ray Rook:
It's relevant for exactly the rest of your post. You're not here to see what's going on. I can describe to you the taste of Hawaiian Punch, but I can't give you the experience.

As I mentioned:

Either way, DEI is a general framework that applies everywhere, not just in a specific country or firm. It is a fact that certain minorities are discriminated against, and such initiatives try to rectify that, on the long term.

What socially acceptable way is there to discriminate against minorities?

DEI is the only discrimination I see that is acceptable to some of society.

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Tsubame ⭐ 2 febr. la 12:10

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As I mentioned:

Either way, DEI is a general framework that applies everywhere, not just in a specific country or firm. It is a fact that certain minorities are discriminated against, and such initiatives try to rectify that, on the long term.
What socially acceptable way is there to discriminate against minorities?

DEI is the only discrimination I see that is acceptable to some of society.

Unfortunately, discrimination is still socially acceptable, to a degree, by many, and this is what DEI training and measures tries to rectify.

Lots of people perfectly accept it. Most people do hide these from others, except family, friends, and other close workers or people you think are like-minded, but just because it is behind close doors does not mean it does not exist, and this ultimately may trickle down to more explicit actions down the way.

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Ray Rook 2 febr. la 12:14

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What socially acceptable way is there to discriminate against minorities?

DEI is the only discrimination I see that is acceptable to some of society.

Unfortunately, discrimination is still socially acceptable,

Show me one that is socially acceptable.

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