If you want a more Moral and Godly government....

Ulfrinn Jan 25 @ 8:21am

Such as?

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GunsForBucks Jan 25 @ 8:30am

Originally posted by Ulfrinn:
Such as?

An example of a law against greed?

Stopping corporations from dumping losses on the public and taking all the gains?
Max cap on corporate earnings? Make corporations invest down instead of taking the money and run.
Stopping the idea that debt is good for the nation just so corporations can get natural resources owned by the people as "debt interest" and taking it to other nations to increase the costs on the people the resources came from.

Making corporations pay for the wars they profit from?

I think the Federal Reserve was set up just to dump the cost of war on the American public so they could take all the profit.

Stopping corporations being people causing Representation without Responsibility

That is where I would start anyway.

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Ulfrinn Jan 25 @ 8:37am

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:
Originally posted by Ulfrinn:
Such as?
An example of a law against greed?

Stopping corporations from dumping losses on the public and taking all the gains?
Max cap on corporate earnings? Make corporations invest down instead of taking the money and run.
Stopping the idea that debt is good for the nation just so corporations can get natural resources owned by the people as "debt interest" and taking it to other nations to increase the costs on the people the resources came from.

Making corporations pay for the wars they profit from?

I think the Federal Reserve was set up just to dump the cost of war on the American public so they could take all the profit.

Stopping corporations being people causing Representation without Responsibility

That is where I would start anyway.

Capping earnings doesn't publish greed, it punishes success, and it takes away the incentive to excel and 1 up the competition which destroys innovation. You can be successful and not be greedy, you can be greedy and be unsuccessful.

The last thing we need are solutions dreamed up by someone who doesn't understand the difference.

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talemore Jan 25 @ 8:38am

Laws against greed is how all money goes to the bank and the bank does whatever it wants with your money with the promise that when you want money the bank borrows someone elses money to pay you.

In conclusion there is no greed since you don't own any money.

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GrimAtrament Jan 25 @ 8:41am

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:
Originally posted by Ulfrinn:
Such as?
An example of a law against greed?

Stopping corporations from dumping losses on the public and taking all the gains?
Max cap on corporate earnings? Make corporations invest down instead of taking the money and run.
Stopping the idea that debt is good for the nation just so corporations can get natural resources owned by the people as "debt interest" and taking it to other nations to increase the costs on the people the resources came from.

Making corporations pay for the wars they profit from?

I think the Federal Reserve was set up just to dump the cost of war on the American public so they could take all the profit.

Stopping corporations being people causing Representation without Responsibility

That is where I would start anyway.

That's s nice dream and all problem is that corporations have zero qualms of not playing by the rules of the pesentry that's us by the way. We are the modern pesentry.

If we get to many bright ideas start getting to loud they will absolutely silence you.

The bowing assassination was rules suicide within days and dropped, but the CEO killer got hunted by the entire federal law enforcement.

The law enforcement are not here to rule justice or protect the people. The supreme Court itself confirmed as much not to long ago. They are here to maintain the status quo.

Corporations lobby the government and if they say jump our government asks how high.

We made laws to keep governments out of corporations when we should have also made laws to keep corporations out of governments.

If corporations get to much power they become the government. And they use propaganda of the bootstrap to control the uneducated.
You only have to look at some of the responses here to realize that.

"If you work hard you'll be like me" they will tell. You while they pull up the ladder behind them then make laws to make sure no one else does what they did to gain wealth and power.

Last edited by GrimAtrament; Jan 25 @ 8:44am

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talemore Jan 25 @ 8:46am

The reason why equality is important is because if some are super rich and others are super-poor it is what makes banks collapse as the super rich want to borrow someone elses cash.

For that reason the bank can only borrow cash from another super rich guy and it's a club.

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MistuhG Jan 25 @ 9:08am

Feeling entitled to another persons money/labor is another form of greed/envy.
So if your serious and morally consistent, we'd have to ban/criminalize all welfare and entitlement programs day 1.

I'm cool with that, but I have a feeling the demographics that are typically jealous of the successful tend to also be big fans of welfare.

I'm not a fan of corporate influence either, its how we got trash like DEI forced on society. However the mistake people always make when weaponizing policies against a targeted group (as proposed) is that they lack the foresight to anticipate that same weapon can be turned back on themselves.

Last edited by MistuhG; Jan 25 @ 9:10am

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GunsForBucks Jan 25 @ 9:10am

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:
Originally posted by GunsForBucks:
An example of a law against greed?

Stopping corporations from dumping losses on the public and taking all the gains?
Max cap on corporate earnings? Make corporations invest down instead of taking the money and run.
Stopping the idea that debt is good for the nation just so corporations can get natural resources owned by the people as "debt interest" and taking it to other nations to increase the costs on the people the resources came from.

Making corporations pay for the wars they profit from?

I think the Federal Reserve was set up just to dump the cost of war on the American public so they could take all the profit.

Stopping corporations being people causing Representation without Responsibility

That is where I would start anyway.

That's s nice dream and all problem is that corporations have zero qualms of not playing by the rules of the pesentry that's us by the way. We are the modern pesentry.

If we get to many bright ideas start getting to loud they will absolutely silence you.

The bowing assassination was rules suicide within days and dropped, but the CEO killer got hunted by the entire federal law enforcement.

The law enforcement are not here to rule justice or protect the people. The supreme Court itself confirmed as much not to long ago. They are here to maintain the status quo.

Corporations lobby the government and if they say jump our government asks how high.

We made laws to keep governments out of corporations when we should have also made laws to keep corporations out of governments.

If corporations get to much power they become the government. And they use propaganda of the bootstrap to control the uneducated.
You only have to look at some of the responses here to realize that.

"If you work hard you'll be like me" they will tell. You while they pull up the ladder behind them then make laws to make sure no one else does what they did to gain wealth and power.

I took an oath to this country when I joined military service here.

If I don't speak out, I couldn't live with myself as a human being.

If I am killed for what I say, I can at least believe I died with honor to this nation and its people trying to defend freedom.

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GunsForBucks Jan 25 @ 9:15am

Originally posted by MistuhG:
Feeling entitled to another persons money/labor is another form of greed/envy.
So if your serious and morally consistent, we'd have to ban/criminalize all welfare and entitlement programs day 1.

I'm cool with that, but I have a feeling the demographics that are typically jealous of the successful tend to also be big fans of welfare.

I'm not a fan of corporate influence either, its how we got trash like DEI forced on society. However the mistake people always make when weaponizing policies against a targeted group (as proposed) is that they lack the foresight to anticipate that same weapon can be turned back on themselves.

The problem is the corporations reliance on government support.

We need a healthy and fat middle class to support the government that supports corporations.
Corporations saying they owe the people nothing is insulting to everyone who died in the line of duty.

If corporations paid for war they profit from and ran the government at a profit I wouldn't care how much they make. But that isn't the case with "debt is good" and "inflation is good".

An all time high GDP and all time high debt is just a measure of how fast they are fleecing the american people. This applies to other nations as well but most are already slave states.

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Boblin the Goblin Jan 25 @ 9:18am

Originally posted by MistuhG:
Feeling entitled to another persons money/labor is another form of greed/envy.
So if your serious and morally consistent, we'd have to ban/criminalize all welfare and entitlement programs day 1.

I'm cool with that, but I have a feeling the demographics that are typically jealous of the successful tend to also be big fans of welfare.

I'm not a fan of corporate influence either, its how we got trash like DEI forced on society. However the mistake people always make when weaponizing policies against a targeted group (as proposed) is that they lack the foresight to anticipate that same weapon can be turned back on themselves.

So morally consistent would be not helping those in need? Since a majority on welfare are children.

Weird.

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Ulfrinn Jan 25 @ 12:40pm

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:
Originally posted by MistuhG:
Feeling entitled to another persons money/labor is another form of greed/envy.
So if your serious and morally consistent, we'd have to ban/criminalize all welfare and entitlement programs day 1.

I'm cool with that, but I have a feeling the demographics that are typically jealous of the successful tend to also be big fans of welfare.

I'm not a fan of corporate influence either, its how we got trash like DEI forced on society. However the mistake people always make when weaponizing policies against a targeted group (as proposed) is that they lack the foresight to anticipate that same weapon can be turned back on themselves.
The problem is the corporations reliance on government support.

We need a healthy and fat middle class to support the government that supports corporations.
Corporations saying they owe the people nothing is insulting to everyone who died in the line of duty.

If corporations paid for war they profit from and ran the government at a profit I wouldn't care how much they make. But that isn't the case with "debt is good" and "inflation is good".

An all time high GDP and all time high debt is just a measure of how fast they are fleecing the american people. This applies to other nations as well but most are already slave states.

And you think MORE government involvement is the solution? The mess that exists was created because the two got linked, through regulations and lobbying. Now you want the people being lobbies to make more regulations and taxes? That's how we end up with regulatory agencies that gatekeep for those at the top. Higher tax rates won't touch those at the top because they can afford to leave if they don't already have exemptions and subsidies from the government that will keep them there.

You're a classic example of how the problem got started in the first place.

And here's some information for you. Consumers pay the corporate taxes. Raise corporate taxes, you raise the cost to consumers. That is how you end up taxing the lower classes even more without having to directly write it into a bill as a tax on the bottom brackets. It'll make the poor, poorer paying those off, and the money earned will go into more "too big to fail" bailouts and subsidies.

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