What Should Someone Do to Win Your Heart?

[Soy una puta enorme]

What do you think someone would need to do to win your love?

[Dutchgamer1982]

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as they teach in my church feminism is a sin.

and while I believe that "woman should be obedient to THEIR man"
and yes man forgot often that "they should love their woman like Christ"
and behaved quite badly.
but to me a return to that way of how it was ment to be.. is right.
not feminism aka a rebellion against Gods order.

Maybe it is a sin, maybe it isn't, but thankfully Christ died for all sins. And He also taught that men should love their wives, but many have not done so in their words and deeds, and until they can look within themselves and make the changes necessary, women will continue to rise up and say, "No more; enough is enough."

It is easy for a man who has never gone through what a woman has to say if a woman stands up for her rights, it is a rebellion against God, but it actually takes guts and the love and compassion of Christ to say, maybe I have paved the way for all of this; maybe I am to blame in some way.

I did not.. other man may have.

but God gives a duty independent..
as a man I still have to be loving like Crist even if woman are not obedient
and woman still have to be obedient even if man don't love as Crist.
so I treat it as a duty to God not to the other person.

but ofcourse if not both play their role.. that does not lead to a harmonious relationshop

and why you think stuff like "being submissive to HER man.. not to all man"
in theology comes from?

while yes the bible places autority to position.. it does not place all woman below all man in all of society.. a woman can be below her man in matters of the marriage.. but if she is the boss at his working place.. or the elder or pastor in his church.., than for work or church related matters she has authority over him.

so there was an issue of what should have been part of only marriage being extended to all of society..
and if something is broken.. it should be fixed.

that fix is for man to love as christ.. and to stopbeing despots ..not for woman to get feministic.
especially with feminism often ending in "lets now opress and treat man as bad as we perceieved them treated us once"

an eye for an eye and the entire world gets blind..

[LeviathanWon]

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power fantasy??

though I do think feminism is a sin.. only one with a developed ego.. can choose to lay it down.

I do have to make a statement about this (and I am saying it with no malice): as someone who wouldn't necessarily consider themselves a feminist, I would have to say that for the most part, most women are tired of feeling subjugated. Due to some men having chosen to treat women as a doormat for years, they are now reaping what was sown. Many men today are left wondering why women have washed their hands of feeling like they need a man, and then they take to forums and complain, without trying to look within themselves and make the necessary changes. Women are not objects to be had or conformed to what men see fit; we are people, and we have rights too, and men are having to learn that the hard way. It's like the old saying goes: when you make your bed, you have to lay in it.

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but the fact is it is very hard to find a woman who even want children today.. as it is finding one that is able to pray together.. (sadly real christians are also a bit rare)
and I find on the other end that so many woman want me to be some kind of perfectly dressed.. non emotional income stream.. which is just not me..
yes I am a man who can cry.. and sadly many woman don't like that.

It seems like you want a traditional woman, but you don't want her to make you fit a traditional role by relying on you to be the breadwinner, right? As for being an emotional man, I see nothing wrong with that. I actually prefer it if someone doesn't hide their emotions.

Women have a sisterhood, Men used to have a brotherhood. When you have support to lean on, there isn't "Church" or "Temple" or "Synagogue" or "Mosque". So the sisterhood or brotherhood replaces in a more Secular manner that removes masculinity/feminism.... sometimes divides the genders making the common goal of family and well being a bit more sparse.

Hate to have these conversations, cause they are just rude. It's your body, you do what you want with it. You have human rights. You have freedom. You decide what's best for you and who you want in your life.


All sex is violence, it can be enjoyable if you "love" someone or is used for procreation for whatever value system you want to live by/have family/friends within that life style.

[Original Cast Recording]

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What do you think someone would need to do to win your love?

It all starts with being not gross.

[xAlphaStarOmegax]

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that fix is for man to love as christ.. and to stopbeing despots ..not for woman to get feministic.
especially with feminism often ending in "lets now opress and treat man as bad as we perceieved them treated us once"

an eye for an eye and the entire world gets blind..

It's not about perception; it's about facts. Women were treated terribly for many years, and whether retaliating is right or wrong, it again goes back to the whole if one makes their bed, they must lie in it. You absolutely cannot expect a group of people who has been mistreated for years to not stand up for themselves and be angry at those who have oppressed them. It's all about taking accountability.

Edit: I mean, take a look at all of the victims of SA in church. Do we expect them to stay silent and submit to their church leadership? I wouldn't; I would naturally expect and even understand it if they stood up for their rights and put their feet down and let the whole world know that enough is enough.

[LeviathanWon]

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that fix is for man to love as christ.. and to stopbeing despots ..not for woman to get feministic.
especially with feminism often ending in "lets now opress and treat man as bad as we perceieved them treated us once"

an eye for an eye and the entire world gets blind..

It's not about perception; it's about facts. Women were treated terribly for many years, and whether retaliating is right or wrong, it again goes back to the whole if one makes their bed, they must lie in it. You absolutely cannot expect a group of people who has been mistreated for years to not stand up for themselves and be angry at those who have oppressed them. It's all about taking accountability.

You talking about 40's-50's.... drug culture of the 70's with p0rn being a factor in abuse towards THE partner of the RELATIONSHIP.

Write a more modern story please, there are laws that governs Marriage, somethings don't change.

[Dutchgamer1982]

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that fix is for man to love as christ.. and to stopbeing despots ..not for woman to get feministic.
especially with feminism often ending in "lets now opress and treat man as bad as we perceieved them treated us once"

an eye for an eye and the entire world gets blind..

It's not about perception; it's about facts. Women were treated terribly for many years, and whether retaliating is right or wrong, it again goes back to the whole if one makes their bed, they must lie in it. You absolutely cannot expect a group of people who has been mistreated for years to not stand up for themselves and be angry at those who have oppressed them. It's all about taking accountability.

perhaps for those of the world.. that is true.. but those with faith.. would not as readely rebel against a command of God one would expect.

and well as a man.. what I experience is that the dating game is just rotten now as a man.

woman have unrealisticly high expectectations of man..while woman can find a partner just being man.
woman still expect me to pay everything.. but they don't follow any rules
woman basicly want to boss me around and when I actually express some desires of my own.. it is "there is the gap of the door, I not need you"

I not grew up in the 60s.. nor did the woman I date.. but what I find out it is man who actually are the opressed ones... when it comes to the desire for a relationship..

and the feminism of today does not just want "equal rights" it is quite toxic and is opressive...
not just to man.. but it even hates on other woman who still choose to be housewifes.. or want to become nurses or such traditional female jobs..

[xAlphaStarOmegax]

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You talking about 40's-50's.... drug culture of the 70's with p0rn being a factor in abuse towards your partner.

Write a more modern story please, there are laws that governs Marriage, somethings don't change.

Are you claiming that modern women still don't endure abuse? If you are, then you're wrong. Many women all over the world still suffer domestic violence and/or even die by the hands of their partner who claimed to have loved them.

[LeviathanWon]

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You talking about 40's-50's.... drug culture of the 70's with p0rn being a factor in abuse towards your partner.

Write a more modern story please, there are laws that governs Marriage, somethings don't change.

Are you claiming that modern women still don't endure abuse? If you are, then you're wrong. Many women all over the world still suffer domestic violence and/or even die by the hands of their partner who claimed to have loved them.

No question, both Women and Men face partner/Marital abuse the legal system is full of that stuff.

[LeviathanWon]

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Are you claiming that modern women still don't endure abuse? If you are, then you're wrong. Many women all over the world still suffer domestic violence and/or even die by the hands of their partner who claimed to have loved them.

and yet why do woman pick "bad man" aka what I call muscle man with a 2 digity iq.. who indeed are abusive... (but may be smooth)
while they ignore emotional, romantic man.. who are more reliable.. but just the "nerds"

basicly woman also tend to fuel that abuse by picking the wrong type of man.
also.. I have suffered and hear a lot of man who suffer quite a lot of mental abuse by woman.

it is like my bio teacher said.. man when angry have a fight than it's over and they go have a beer..
but woman will plot and plan and fester that hate forever.. hell has no fury like a scorned woman.

If your wife wants you to work out and gain, then you should do so to make her happy... best advice I can give.

If you want to obtain a mate, or a friend or a person to be in a relationship with, then you should try and look your best, and be the best person you can be really.... Sorry I don't know what to say other then that reallly.

[xAlphaStarOmegax]

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perhaps for those of the world.. that is true.. but those with faith.. would not as readely rebel against a command of God one would expect.

We all rebel every day towards God even if we can't see it.

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woman have unrealisticly high expectectations of man..while woman can find a partner just being man.

And men don't have unrealistically high expectations themselves?

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woman still expect me to pay everything.. but they don't follow any rules

You want a tradwife, but you don't want them to expect you to be a tradhusband; it doesn't work like that. Also, again, I wouldn't call myself a feminist, but if a man presented me with a list of rules, I would nope on out of there.

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but what I find out it is man who actually are the opressed ones... when it comes to the desire for a relationship..

Maybe now, naturally, because again, that's what happens when people oppress others; eventually an uprising will happen, and the oppressors will become the oppressed. It just is what it is.

[LeviathanWon]

It started as romantic thread, then it just rears off into something analytic and strategic.

Try and enjoy, you will be over 30 one day.

[Dutchgamer1982]

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perhaps for those of the world.. that is true.. but those with faith.. would not as readely rebel against a command of God one would expect.

We all rebel every day towards God even if we can't see it.

Escrito originalmente por Dutchgamer1982:

woman have unrealisticly high expectectations of man..while woman can find a partner just being man.

And men don't have unrealistically high expectations themselves?

Escrito originalmente por Dutchgamer1982:

woman still expect me to pay everything.. but they don't follow any rules

You want a tradwife, but you don't want them to expect you to be a tradhusband; it doesn't work like that. Also, again, I wouldn't call myself a feminist, but if a man presented me with a list of rules, I would nope on out of there.

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but what I find out it is man who actually are the opressed ones... when it comes to the desire for a relationship..

Maybe now, naturally, because again, that's what happens when people oppress others; eventually an uprising will happen, and the oppressors will become the oppressed. It just is what it is.

I not want a tradwife.. in the sence her at home me working.. thats 50s tradwife.
but theats somethign historicly rare.. in fact for most of history woman just worked.
what I want is a woman that obeys Gods command and want to do the same..

and it likely leeds to something thats closer to what was in the 50s.. than what feminism brought.. but not truelly.. :)

and don't think I like it.. heck I would find it VERRRY comfortable to do a 100% role switch aka 1950s only I would be the one at home;)
but thats not how God work..

but the traditional roles for me aka man love like christ and woman obey..
does not mean the family as it was in the 50s.. it is something deeper spiritual..
and I sence the rebelious spirit of feminism.
but a dead materialistic spirit of "ok I do the household you go earn money" also not fits that deeper desire..

that 50s trad would also mean I would not help in the household.. not show emotion.. her to not have opinions of her own..all things I would hate..

so basicly I want a union in God.. led by the holy spirit and in line with the word.
free of the sprit of feminism.
but that does not mean "trad" either.. for as you yourself pointed out "trad" also not obeyed Gods commands in that regard..

many people focus to much on the work/houehold task divide of trad.. for me I more object against the spirit of feminism.. than a change in household roles..

[DOOMGIRL69]

just love me even when i mess up or do bad, be there for me and support me and i will do the same. a cute thing my partner does that makes me feel loved is he calls me kitten, its just a cute nickname he gave me but it makes me smile every time.

[Dutchgamer1982]

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It started as romantic thread, then it just rears off into something analytic and strategic.

Try and enjoy, you will be over 30 one day.

i'm already over 40:) but still looking for the one:)
granted I may have wasted to many years from 27 yo for over a decade.. on a woman who had many of the signals of that toxic feminism and was not a good match.
I kept telling no she is not really like that.. she just has emotional wounds.. if I just keep loving.. than she will have space for me to be emotional.. and stop being ashamed when I gallop to pick her a flower from the roadside.. or get repulsed by me showing emotion and demanding I get out her sight when sick..

it was with hindsight quite a hurtfull relationship.

why is it so important I am on time and soooo much an issue I am 5 minutes late.. I never push that strict time on others..
why so much emphasis and wasted energy on my ironing my shirts.. wearing suits and all that nonsence that just waste energy and money..
why would my words like "my dreamprincess" when I express love.. get rejection instead of apreciation??
why would she rarely ever wanted to just cuddle.. and hated me making small contact like grabbing a hand so much.. but went 0-100 when she wante fysical.. even though I had to reject that as we were not married..
why would she never wanted to pray aloud.. and called how I prayed "weird and discrpectfull"
-> she treated God like a distant kind.. like how we as subjets look at a king.. I see God as a father..

[LeviathanWon]

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It started as romantic thread, then it just rears off into something analytic and strategic.

Try and enjoy, you will be over 30 one day.

i'm already over 40:) but still looking for the one:)

Well stop looking, friendship is easy, just make friends, work hard, go to ( Insert place of value, worship or prayer here ) or just come here, enjoy some dirty jokes, some heavy music and enjoy your life as being single.