Why gamers hate 16gb vram?

[Media Persuasive]

My gpu before is probably 4gb vram, why is 16gb vram hated

[magicISO Sweden]

no one hate having more vram my card have 3060 12gb

[smokerob79]

its not hated its wanted.....cards like the 3080 should have had 16gb VS the 10gb it got.....NgreedyA has been playing games with Vram amounts for years now to keep people from building cheap workstations out side of using quadro cards that have super high mark ups and to also force games to upgrade more often......

real world a stock first run 3070 should have had 12gb of Vram when the stock 1070 had 8gb's years before it.....

[猫 • König der Piraten]

I hate when people have more than 6 VRAM because of my 3060 for laptops.

Tbh, it doesnt matter. I'm glad for people who have better graphics.

[Media Persuasive]

I saw a youtube shorts video which he rated idk rtx 4060 ti 16gb vram it was rock saying, its biggest piece of dog shif but without more vram it was yooooooooo penguinz0 iirc

Ursprünglich geschrieben von magicISO Sweden:

no one hate having more vram my card have 3060 12gb

[magicISO Sweden]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Media Persuasive:

I saw a youtube shorts video which he rated idk rtx 4060 ti 16gb vram it was rock saying, its biggest piece of dog shif but without more vram it was yooooooooo penguinz0 iirc

Ursprünglich geschrieben von magicISO Sweden:

no one hate having more vram my card have 3060 12gb

who cares what he thinks i play simulator games and those need more vram so you can crank up the graphic

[secuda]

16gb is new standard (say thr guy with 8 *cries*). So no its not hated by gamers but gpu makers having trouble to play catch up with the demand of it.

[Dutchgamer1982]

in fact the amount of ram for low end gpu's has increased a LOT more.. while the price has increased a lot less.. proportationally over the generations than for high end.

basicly all gpu's cost way to much..


but if we had a fair lineup.. only corrected for inflation and not more
and all the same 6x ram over the last 5 generations..
whith actual sensible tdp values without the insane values of today bit with values as they always were per tear in a lineup.


than we would have

200 euro 4050 8gb vram 100w tdp
300 euro 4060 12gb vram 120w tdp
450 euro 4070 12gb vram, 150w tdp
650 euro 4080 18gb vram, 180w tdp
900 euro 4080ti 24gb vram, 250w tdp
1400 euro 5090, 72GB vram, 250w tdp

THAT would be a fair priced, and fair amount of vram lineup.
it's the high end thats hgere mostly screwed over in price, tdp and amount of vram.

a 4080 of 1600 euro... and only 16gb vram. feels wrong.
-> 16gb would be on the low end even if it would have costed halve that amount..
but 1600 euro is more than what would buy you a bloody titan card even corrected for inflation.
for that much money you expect high end specs and 16gb does not fit that.

basicly... while low end has only done inflation correction + 30%
high end now pays inflation correction +150%
aka more than double what we should!

and while low end gets 5-6 times more vram than they did with the 7xx series..
high end only gets 2-3 times more vram

screwing high end over even more.


oh I get when you pay 700 euro what USED to buy you a 980ti.. aka a highend card.. for a xx70.. aka a midend card.. your demands go up to...

but fact is you get screwed a lot less than highend does..

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

The only people that like that much VRAM are people using 4K and 8K.

[talemore]

From a technical view why people kept adding gpus was to extend the VRAM

The actual GPU itself, you can play games on a GTX 880

[Dutchgamer1982]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WinterSolstice:

The only people that like that much VRAM are people using 4K and 8K. :badluck:

to me.. it's a principle of fairness.. if an 5060 has 6x as much ram as an 760.. so should an 5080 have 6x as much ram as an 780..
and that for the entire lineup.

if some get 6x but others only 2x as much ram.. over 5 generations.. I call out FOUL.

it does not matter those high end cards don't USE that much.. just give what they should have proportionally you pay more than enough to recieve it.
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now as for complains.
-in todays games..
I would say 16gb vram 4k ideal (12gb minimum)
and 12gb 1440p ideal (10gb minimum)
and 10gb 1080p ideal (8gb minimum)

well than what resolution can we expect people to run at :

I would say that the first and only true 4k card is the 4090
(as it is the only card till this day that can do 16:9 4k and still have over 100fps.

for any lesser card.. you should stick to 1440.. for having over 100+ fps at 1440p is preferable of having under 100 fps at 4k.

that said howver.. some people are stubborn.
still below 60fps = unplayable.

and cards than can do at least 60fps at 4k are more common.

4070 and up
3080 and up
7800xt and up
6900xt and up

sp those cards all should have at least 12gb.. (minimum)..

***what that means for the 5000 lineup.
I do not think the 5060 will be a 60fps 4k card.
even the most powerfull 2xxx series card is not... and titan rtx -> 3080 is TWO steps down..


with the 5060 still a 1440p card.. it should have minimum 10, or ideally 12gb ram.
-> it is however announced it gets only 8gb.
**which is not ideal for 1440p.. it should have gotten 10 or 12gb.


the 5060ti which more likely will pass the 4k 60fps barrier.. is announced to have 16gb vram.. so thats fine no problem there.


the 5080 however which will most likely be an 4k 100+ fps card is screwed over with that 16gb.. while it is enough.. at that kind of pricepoint you want a bit futureproving just "enough" is not ok when you pay THAT much.. it should have gotten 24gb vram

the 5090 also gets screwed.. it does get 32gb vram.. but historicly the titan/x90 did have 6 times more ram.. and got doubled every 3 gens.. so it should have gotten at least 48gb vram but more likely 64gb

yet it is those who want to buy the 4060 who complain the most about the vram..

[AdahnGorion]

It is not hated, nor needed for the vast majority.
A game such as CP2077 uses 8.5 GB vram everything maxed out RT as well on 1440p.

[steven1mac]

No one hates 16 GB of VRAM, just the price. In this day everyone should hate less the 8 GB of VRAM. Particularly those of us that have their computer crash because a program has used more that it handle.

[AdahnGorion]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dutchgamer1982:

in fact the amount of ram for low end gpu's has increased a LOT more.. while the price has increased a lot less.. proportationally over the generations than for high end.

basicly all gpu's cost way to much..


but if we had a fair lineup.. only corrected for inflation and not more
and all the same 6x ram over the last 5 generations..
whith actual sensible tdp values without the insane values of today bit with values as they always were per tear in a lineup.


than we would have

200 euro 4050 8gb vram 100w tdp
300 euro 4060 12gb vram 120w tdp
450 euro 4070 12gb vram, 150w tdp
650 euro 4080 18gb vram, 180w tdp
900 euro 4080ti 24gb vram, 250w tdp
1400 euro 5090, 72GB vram, 250w tdp

THAT would be a fair priced, and fair amount of vram lineup.
it's the high end thats hgere mostly screwed over in price, tdp and amount of vram.

a 4080 of 1600 euro... and only 16gb vram. feels wrong.
-> 16gb would be on the low end even if it would have costed halve that amount..
but 1600 euro is more than what would buy you a bloody titan card even corrected for inflation.
for that much money you expect high end specs and 16gb does not fit that.

basicly... while low end has only done inflation correction + 30%
high end now pays inflation correction +150%
aka more than double what we should!

and while low end gets 5-6 times more vram than they did with the 7xx series..
high end only gets 2-3 times more vram

screwing high end over even more.


oh I get when you pay 700 euro what USED to buy you a 980ti.. aka a highend card.. for a xx70.. aka a midend card.. your demands go up to...

but fact is you get screwed a lot less than highend does..

The new NVIDIA GPUs (5000 series) Blackwell will feature GDDR7. The price will go up due to this.

12gb is more than enough for the avarage gamer, 16 as 5070ti and 2080 will have is more than enough the many coming years.

One if the issues with a few ported games to PC was unoptimication, a console have no dedicated VRAM, it has 12/16 GB shared system ram.....

[Dutchgamer1982]

like stated.. a FAIR lineup would be :

200 euro 5050 8gb vram 100w tdp
300 euro 5060 12gb vram 120w tdp
450 euro 5070 12gb vram, 150w tdp
650 euro 5080 18gb vram, 180w tdp
900 euro 5080ti 24gb vram, 250w tdp
1400 euro 5090, 72GB vram, 250w tdp

well now...

if we look for the announced cards.
5060
-correct amount of vram..
-price 30% too high
-tdp 50% too high

5060ti
+30% MORE ram than it should have
-price 30% too high
-tdp 40% too high

5080
-12% LESS ram than it should have
-price 150% too high
-tdp 100% too high

5090
-60% LESS ram than it should have
-price 120% too high
-tdp 130% too high

[Dutchgamer1982]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AdahnGorion:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dutchgamer1982:

in fact the amount of ram for low end gpu's has increased a LOT more.. while the price has increased a lot less.. proportationally over the generations than for high end.

basicly all gpu's cost way to much..


but if we had a fair lineup.. only corrected for inflation and not more
and all the same 6x ram over the last 5 generations..
whith actual sensible tdp values without the insane values of today bit with values as they always were per tear in a lineup.


than we would have

200 euro 4050 8gb vram 100w tdp
300 euro 4060 12gb vram 120w tdp
450 euro 4070 12gb vram, 150w tdp
650 euro 4080 18gb vram, 180w tdp
900 euro 4080ti 24gb vram, 250w tdp
1400 euro 5090, 72GB vram, 250w tdp

THAT would be a fair priced, and fair amount of vram lineup.
it's the high end thats hgere mostly screwed over in price, tdp and amount of vram.

a 4080 of 1600 euro... and only 16gb vram. feels wrong.
-> 16gb would be on the low end even if it would have costed halve that amount..
but 1600 euro is more than what would buy you a bloody titan card even corrected for inflation.
for that much money you expect high end specs and 16gb does not fit that.

basicly... while low end has only done inflation correction + 30%
high end now pays inflation correction +150%
aka more than double what we should!

and while low end gets 5-6 times more vram than they did with the 7xx series..
high end only gets 2-3 times more vram

screwing high end over even more.


oh I get when you pay 700 euro what USED to buy you a 980ti.. aka a highend card.. for a xx70.. aka a midend card.. your demands go up to...

but fact is you get screwed a lot less than highend does..

The new NVIDIA GPUs (5000 series) Blackwell will feature GDDR7. The price will go up due to this.

12gb is more than enough for the avarage gamer, 16 as 5070ti and 2080 will have is more than enough the many coming years.

One if the issues with a few ported games to PC was unoptimication, a console have no dedicated VRAM, it has 12/16 GB shared system ram.....

bullcrap reasons.

the same gpu in a lineup had the same tdp and costed (corrected for inflation) the same..
in every series of gpu upto the 1xxx series..

price gaunching started witht he 2xxx series.. and tdp creep with the 3xxx series.

there is no excuse... to increase price more than inflation.. and increase ram proportionally more on the models that have proportionally increased less in price..

production price of a card corrected for inflation has not gone up vs series 15-20 years ago.

it is pricegauching.. and cheapskating on r&d budget to produce chips that deliver the same performance but with less tdp.

and I actually want a BAN on porting.. let the multiplatform games die. and have games made dedicated for each platform like in the good old days..
(wishfull thinking but still)

it's the console stuff why games now play on potatoes that have no buisnuiss running them.. are all dumbed down and casualised and why my beloved tbs and rts genres are all but dead...

games could be photorealistic and so much more dept and hardocre if freed from being able to run on consoles.. and the casual gamer on them.

each platform their own unique games.. is best for all involved... one size fits nobody.

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basicly you cannot say with inflation calculation.. oh this tv is 10% larger.. so it should also cost 10% more..

with technology it is the same PRODUCT that should cost the same.

so yeah a titan of the 700 series (+ inflation correction) should have the same price as a 5090.. a 760.. with inflationcorrection the same as a 5060..

those +30% +100% and +120% are how much the prices are MORE than they should be based on a normal inflationcorrection.. aka "pricegauching"

"they being newer" "faster" "bigger" "using newer /more ram" is no excuse to increase their price more than inflation.