Communism is the only sane decision for our future

[Fuki 11in2000]

"Anti-Communists" choose to be intentionally stupid, intentionally misrepresent our ideas, and intentionally have ill will towards workers.

"Anyone who does this is a complete lost cause. They aren’t educated nor do they want to be educated on what Marxism or any other political philosophy besides American/western capitalism, not that they fully understand capitalism beyond regurgitating a few prepackaged lines like “the freer the market the freer the people”.

Simply turn 360 degrees and walk away, there is no way to win against people like this "

[Fuki 11in2000]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sir Dookface McFerretballs:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fuki 11in2000:

Dictatorships and totalitarianism in socialist states make sense in theory but they aren't good in real life, you shouldn't trust any one with power.

The hunger and genocides were the fault of Western neoliberalism purposely attempting to disrupt communism. Hopefully they will get revenge on them someday.

Get revenge? That sounds like war or oppression and not very "SANE".

So what you are saying is "No there hasn't been an actual non-oppressive, successful, communist country yet".

Got it!

I mean to disrupt the neoliberal order.

[Swarmfly]

Communism is the surest means of completely eliminating our obesity crisis in one fell swoop.

[the vampire of time and memory]

communism is a system that only works under anarchy, and anarchy kind of sucks ass (mind you I'm not someone who's read a lot of anarchist literature, I'm sure there are ways to work through the kinks, but I'd still rather not spend much time thinking about something that's basically not feasible)

both public ownership and private ownership put the markets into the hands of a few, due to the nature of the markets, and the demands of the global market further greatly impedes the feasibility of ownership being decentralised

cooperative ownership is pretty cool, I'd like to see more of that

[Fuki 11in2000]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย the vampire of time and memory:

communism is a system that only works under anarchy, and anarchy kind of sucks ass (mind you I'm not someone who's read a lot of anarchist literature, I'm sure there are ways to work through the kinks, but I'd still rather not spend much time thinking about something that's basically not feasible)

both public ownership and private ownership put the markets into the hands a few, due to the nature of the markets, and the demands of the global market further greatly impedes the feasibility of ownership being decentralised

cooperative ownership is pretty cool, I'd like to see more of that

There is a third way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_communism

Left-communism is actually the best one. Most people who are into it are more purely Marxist because the mainstream doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about it. It promotes self-organization.

You can also consider classical social democracy, a more statist brother of left-communism which had a lot of great communist ideologies liek Spartacism.

[Kestrel]

True communism? Sure, but the conditions for it do not yet exist.

I don't think you could even have socialism in the United States unless it collapses or is on the brink of collapse.

My problem with communists and socialists is that you'll bring up a problem and they'll say the solution is socialism/communism when we both know that's not happening anytime soon. It feels like many communists and socialists live in a fantasy land of theory that can't be applied accurately except in perfect conditions.

When people ask communists questions or try to learn more, especially online (the internet is something communists should really be taking advantage of more), people actually get shut down for being assumed to be asking in "bad faith," or not being educated enough. When people try to do things in real life, online theory-obsessed communists point and laugh about how uneducated they are.

Considering the internet is going to be the main place people encounter communists and socialists, that is a really bad look.

They just really can't figure out how to connect to common people, even online, which is astounding when you've got people like Andrew Tate running around living rent free in people's heads. At this point I'm partially convinced they don't want to because they don't actually like the common person or want to be associated with them.

[Fuki 11in2000]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kestrel:

True communism? Sure, but the conditions for it do not yet exist.

That's the point. "High-stage communism" only exists in post-scarcity progressive world. Meanwhile lower-stage is very possible. Read Marx.

[Kobs]

I don't think OP ever been to China

[Kestrel]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fuki 11in2000:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kestrel:

True communism? Sure, but the conditions for it do not yet exist.

That's the point. "High-stage communism" only exists in post-scarcity progressive world. Meanwhile lower-stage is very possible. Read Marx.

The possibility is slim in the United States. I mean a large amount of voters thought Trump was a splendid idea (not even begrudgingly voting for him, but genuinely thinking he's a good candidate). You think these people are going to read Marx? They don't read, they follow the leader.

[Kweeb]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fuki 11in2000:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Smiley Glad-Hands:

At this point, anything would be better than whatever tf it is we have here now.

Late stage capitalism

Socialism.
The US is not a capitalist country
If it was big corporations buying out everything wouldn't exist
Capitalism encourages small businesses to thrive. Anytime the government interferes it's no longer capitalism.....
People always say fallout is a critique on capitalism... When it's literally not

[MinionJoe]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fuki 11in2000:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย MinionJoe:

How can we tell it's "late-stage" capitalism?

When has capitalism failed before and what was it replaced with?

Communism.

OK, so capitalism failed before and was replaced with communism.

When and where did this happen?

[Kestrel]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kweeb:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fuki 11in2000:

Late stage capitalism

Socialism.
The US is not a capitalist country
If it was big corporations buying out everything wouldn't exist
Capitalism encourages small businesses to thrive. Anytime the government interferes it's no longer capitalism.....
People always say fallout is a critique on capitalism... When it's literally not

What the lmao... I mean you can also just deny reality and invent your own definitions I suppose

Also, yeah, Fallout isn't a critique on capitalism or communism. I'd say it's a commentary on human nature and war and critiques both aspects.

[Triple G]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kweeb:

Socialism.
The US is not a capitalist country
If it was big corporations buying out everything wouldn't exist
Capitalism encourages small businesses to thrive. Anytime the government interferes it's no longer capitalism.....
People always say fallout is a critique on capitalism... When it's literally not

Man - the government has to interfere or else capitalism would make it so that one corporation owns everything. Like anarchy wouldn´t really work, because the strongest would claim everything for themselves if there´s nobody to hold them back. And no government interference basically means anarchy for business.

If it was about socialism, You had the best workers rights in the world, and the most fair pay, and the least wage gap, most vacations, and whatnot...

If any CEO deals with some politician isn´t socialism, because they unlikely negotiate about better workers pay, or anything which is really about the betterment of the society.

[76561199813037108]

It's funny to me how people will always just accept low-effort threads like this, it's just an opportunity for them to talk about the things they want to talk about anyway.

[Tristin]

Communism don't work because of corruption. That's why we need AI overlord.

[Heatblizzard]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fuki 11in2000:

Title

You forgot the word 'In' in the beginning of sane.