Communism is the only sane decision for our future

[Fuki 11in2000]

"Anti-Communists" choose to be intentionally stupid, intentionally misrepresent our ideas, and intentionally have ill will towards workers.

"Anyone who does this is a complete lost cause. They aren’t educated nor do they want to be educated on what Marxism or any other political philosophy besides American/western capitalism, not that they fully understand capitalism beyond regurgitating a few prepackaged lines like “the freer the market the freer the people”.

Simply turn 360 degrees and walk away, there is no way to win against people like this "

[Fuki 11in2000]

Escrito originalmente por Clyan:

lulz yes, look at how it has turned out in the soviet union... oh right, doesnt exist anymore. instead it transitioned into a warmongering dictatorship where people are purposefully kept uneducated. well, what about china... ah, right, mao in order to achieve communism mutilated china's high culture and killed 40-80 million of his own country's population. and did it work? social credit system, totalitarian state, starvation, concentration camps for minorities and no human rights. sounds great, doesnt it? or north korea? yeah, more of the same, one family has everything, everyone else is just a drone without any rights. wanna live a life in decency? well, too bad, your dictator's idol needs more soldiers, so you gotta go and die for another country's war.

you hate the supposed 1% of developed democratic countries, yet you advocate for a system in which the gap between rich and poor is even more severe.

the marxist theory will stay a theory, a wishful dream of a struggling man who's suffering in life has led him to believe in an idea that has led to even more suffering.
even marx himself, before he died, warned the world of communism.

Communism: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably.

None of what you described is communism.

[Fuki 11in2000]

Escrito originalmente por smokerob79:

no current government on the planet has a system that will work in 20 years......communism will be most of the first to fall.....

China has the 2nd most thriving economy with more technological developments than ever. And it's not even communist yet

[Clyan]

Escrito originalmente por Fuki 11in2000:

Escrito originalmente por Clyan:

lulz yes, look at how it has turned out in the soviet union... oh right, doesnt exist anymore. instead it transitioned into a warmongering dictatorship where people are purposefully kept uneducated. well, what about china... ah, right, mao in order to achieve communism mutilated china's high culture and killed 40-80 million of his own country's population. and did it work? social credit system, totalitarian state, starvation, concentration camps for minorities and no human rights. sounds great, doesnt it? or north korea? yeah, more of the same, one family has everything, everyone else is just a drone without any rights. wanna live a life in decency? well, too bad, your dictator's idol needs more soldiers, so you gotta go and die for another country's war.

you hate the supposed 1% of developed democratic countries, yet you advocate for a system in which the gap between rich and poor is even more severe.

the marxist theory will stay a theory, a wishful dream of a struggling man who's suffering in life has led him to believe in an idea that has led to even more suffering.
even marx himself, before he died, warned the world of communism.

Communism: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably.

None of what you described is communism.

those are the symptoms of communism. that system doesnt work and never will. why would anyone declared the leader of a yet non-communistic country ever give up his power.

[Ulfrinn]

Escrito originalmente por Smiley Glad-Hands:

At this point, anything would be better than whatever tf it is we have here now.

What we have is a power grab by the elites in government, in bed with corporate allies. This isn't capitalism in any definition of it. It's nepotism and corruption. Insider trading and "too big to fail" is government, people capable of influencing markets, profiting off that influence and abusing the legislative process to give their investments an edge over others.

Once the line between the public and private sector begins to blur in this fashion, you're moving into socialism.

[Prinzip]

The only decision for our future is the end of modern, global technological civilization.

[smokerob79]

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Escrito originalmente por Immortalis:

In an ideal world possibly.
In the real world where someone has to make decisions at some points it is a system that is even more prone to corruption and abuse of power than literally every other system in the history of the world, in particular capitalism.

Even so called absolute monarchs had someone they were responsible to, the higher nobility and in ultimate analysis God.
Communist leaders do not answer to anyone and have no reason to fear God’s judgement.

Sorry but a better system would be having capitalism with just a few conditions: no lobbying to political parties / officials, no hiring of former politicians or their staff for a period of (I don’t know) 15 years, terms limit for politicians and their staff (possibly allowing those in smaller communities to remain in office longer, to compensate for the smaller pool of possible talents) and a significant reduction in the bureaucratic apparatus accompanied with the mandatory transfer of personnel to a different agency every ten years (to be done a few people every year) to prevent the entrenchment of the “we know how it’s done, just follow our lead” people.

Neither companies lobbying the government nor unlimited terms are intrinsically bad but when the two get too much hand in hand we get the kind of corruption that is dominating capitols across the world.
And since you can’t squash the one and leave the other unharmed, both need to be squashed with no prejudice.

It's really funny that to maintain capitalism it needs conditions and authoritarian control that can be easily breached.

Communism: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably.

Communism doesn't have a leader. Socialism can have any governance system and DoTP is usually democratic.

tell putin he is not the leader of communism.....go on.......and china is a joke given they only got that way do to following capitalism and stepping away from communism....i have been to china dont tell me how it is......

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

I feel this thread is entirely bait based.

Some sections of the community go spare when Communism is mentioned.

For many Hank Hills anything to the left of Regan is a Commie.

[Clyan]

Escrito originalmente por Fuki 11in2000:

Escrito originalmente por Clyan:

those are the symptoms of communism. that system doesnt work and never will. why would anyone declared the leader of a yet non-communistic country ever give up his power.

The workers can force them to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UHfiS5d2EU

sure thing. any worker can force any goverment to do anything if you really want. just go down to the streets and do it. you can do it right now. let's see how it works out. really you live in a fantasy world.
but to each his own. you're free to live in a country that's on its way to your wonderful communism. pick one and go there.

[Fuki 11in2000]

Escrito originalmente por Clyan:

Escrito originalmente por Fuki 11in2000:

The workers can force them to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UHfiS5d2EU

sure thing. any worker can force any goverment to do anything if you really want. just go down to the streets and do it. you can do it right now. let's see how it works out. really you live in a fantasy world.
but to each his own. you're free to live in a country that's on its way to your wonderful communism. pick one and go there.

Communist countries have been turned into isolated powerhouses that embrace their culture and their nation. It doesn't make sense to go to a country just because of its economic system, that's liberal behavior.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

communism does not work

[Ulfrinn]

Escrito originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

I feel this thread is entirely bait based.

Some sections of the community go spare when Communism is mentioned.

For many Hank Hills anything to the left of Regan is a Commie.

Of course. But that's 90% of the threads on here. Say something completely nonsensical to get people arguing. That's why we have a thread exactly like this one started pretty much weekly.

[Fuki 11in2000]

Escrito originalmente por Ulfrinn:

Escrito originalmente por Smiley Glad-Hands:

At this point, anything would be better than whatever tf it is we have here now.

What we have is a power grab by the elites in government, in bed with corporate allies. This isn't capitalism in any definition of it. It's nepotism and corruption. Insider trading and "too big to fail" is government, people capable of influencing markets, profiting off that influence and abusing the legislative process to give their investments an edge over others.

Once the line between the public and private sector begins to blur in this fashion, you're moving into socialism.

That;s not socialism, it's social democracy at best. It's late stage capitalism where it becomes socialism for the elites. Big corpo owns the means of production now. It's like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up Capitalist Socialism but if Socialism sucked.

[Fuki 11in2000]

Escrito originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

I feel this thread is entirely bait based.

Some sections of the community go spare when Communism is mentioned.

For many Hank Hills anything to the left of Regan is a Commie.

I really like making liberals angry. But no I'm an actual communist. Council democracy and vanguardism specifically

[Ulfrinn]

Escrito originalmente por Fuki 11in2000:

Escrito originalmente por Ulfrinn:

What we have is a power grab by the elites in government, in bed with corporate allies. This isn't capitalism in any definition of it. It's nepotism and corruption. Insider trading and "too big to fail" is government, people capable of influencing markets, profiting off that influence and abusing the legislative process to give their investments an edge over others.

Once the line between the public and private sector begins to blur in this fashion, you're moving into socialism.

That;s not socialism, it's social democracy at best. It's late stage capitalism where it becomes socialism for the elites. Big corpo owns the means of production now. It's like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up Capitalist Socialism but if Socialism sucked.

Socialism is when government controls the means of production. Meaning, the factories, the things making stuff. And when they use tax dollars to prevent one of their choosing from failing, or give grants to another to prop it up, the line to socialism has been stepped over.

[Clyan]

Escrito originalmente por Fuki 11in2000:

Escrito originalmente por Clyan:

sure thing. any worker can force any goverment to do anything if you really want. just go down to the streets and do it. you can do it right now. let's see how it works out. really you live in a fantasy world.
but to each his own. you're free to live in a country that's on its way to your wonderful communism. pick one and go there.

Communist countries have been turned into isolated powerhouses that embrace their culture and their nation. It doesn't make sense to go to a country just because of its economic system, that's liberal behavior.

so what are you yapping about here then? if you dont wanna go there then i suppose youre quite happy with capitalism. dont be so schizophrenic, give yourself a little push and embrace your comrades.