Quick question about this left wing right wing thing in politics.

[Joe]

First, please no full blown arguments, I'm just looking for a more personal definition from people.

Just a bit confused about this concept. I mean, I see this terms get thrown around forums and the internet, but was actually curious what it actually is. I know what they technically mean after a quick google search but curious on what's the general definition people would give it. Also, please none of those extreme right, extreme left stuff, I often find people arguing once someone mentions those stuff.

From my understanding, it's technically 2 different political parties with different ideals when it comes to elections. And people decide whether they support the left wing or the right wing. Is there like a middle ground where it doesn't have either of the two sides ideals? Is there technically another party that has both of them? Can there even be other parties aside from the two?

Also pardon if there's anything wrong with my English, I think I'm out of touch when it comes to constructing English sentences.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

[ガスト セフィロス]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

[xBCxRangers]

I'm an Independent, and am socially morally more agnostic, maybe lean a bit to the left or center, where on economics and foreign policy, i'm to the Left. I'm more or less a Bernie Bros lol.

Sanders is an Independent and he's where i am i suppose.

[Joe]

Origineel geplaatst door ガスト セフィロス:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

I'll give this a read. Thanks for sharing this one specifically. Saves me a bit of time searching for it.

[Joe]

Origineel geplaatst door Anoi Hidalgo:

in the US there is pretty much only 2 parties that matter anyway. They are both basically the same except one pretends to be more liberal/progressive, the other pretends to be more conservative.

Hmm, I see I see. But can there be a third part? Even if they aren't the main thing or they have no likelihood of winning. Can they exist? I'm familiar with the concept of two main parties having the major popularity among the country's citizens that being an extra party makes no difference anyway.

[Joe]

Origineel geplaatst door xBCxRangers:

I'm an Independent, and am socially morally more agnostic, maybe lean a bit to the left or center, where on economics and foreign policy, i'm to the Left. I'm more or less a Bernie Bros lol.

Sanders is an Independent and he's where i am i suppose.

Can the right also focus on economics and foreign policy or is that exclusive to the left? I'm a bit confused on why a party can't focus on all aspects. Conflicting interests?

[Chesmu]

The right wing left wing idea is similar asking "balls or the penis of the government? which one you want to get f-ed by?" I hope this artistic metaphor helps clarify the matter.

[Joe]

Origineel geplaatst door Chesmu:

The right wing left wing idea is similar asking "balls or the penis of the government? which one you want to get f-ed by?" I hope this artistic metaphor helps clarify the matter.

Surprisingly, it kinda simplifies it so yes. It does slightly help clarify the matter since if I understand correctly, it's impossible for the left or right to have an absolute win since there'll always be somebody disgruntled with the decisions made. Did I get that right?

[Joe]

Origineel geplaatst door Anoi Hidalgo:

Origineel geplaatst door Joe:

Hmm, I see I see. But can there be a third part? Even if they aren't the main thing or they have no likelihood of winning. Can they exist? I'm familiar with the concept of two main parties having the major popularity among the country's citizens that being an extra party makes no difference anyway.

yeah there are other parties, but they never win anything. There is the Libertarian party, Green Party, constitution party, alliance party, even communist parties. But unless its D or R theyre irrelevant

I see I see. Thanks for the clarification. So it's pretty similar to what I'm familiar with.

[Chesmu]

Origineel geplaatst door Joe:

Origineel geplaatst door Chesmu:

The right wing left wing idea is similar asking "balls or the penis of the government? which one you want to get f-ed by?" I hope this artistic metaphor helps clarify the matter.

Surprisingly, it kinda simplifies it so yes. It does slightly help clarify the matter since if I understand correctly, it's impossible for the left or right to have an absolute win since there'll always be somebody disgruntled with the decisions made. Did I get that right?

Yes, they are both controlled by the bird's brain. There is an illusion of choice and freedom, but you can't go far in any direction.

[Mathius]

The problem you're having is you're on the Steam forums, which are technically an American website, but have people from all over the world using it.

In my experience most of Off Topic political topics seem to be people from other countries trying to bash America.

The terms "left and right" change depending on which country you're speaking about, which is part of the reason these discussions are confusing and pointless.

Every country has their own political parties, some more than others. In the United States, there are small parties, but they don't really matter because the Democrats and Republicans exist.

Which is how Trump got elected the first time, btw.

Regardless, think of political discussions on here as people screaming at the clouds and you won't be far off.

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

Make America Great Again is Middle Ground.

The left likes to call Trump the far-right but his policies are all things democrats of 15 years ago (obama democrats) would support.

Various things Trump has done has left it up to the states which is the middle ground approach.

Roe v Wade taking abortion and giving it to the states to decide is NOT a right-wing lets ban abortion move. It's a middle ground move. Let the folks in there state decide the laws.

Same thing with Department of Education. If the left want ot teach their wacky views of the world allow them to, but don't force those "religious" views unto states that want to focus on math/science/history.

Right now Trump whose labeled as far right and as a racist just appointed the first POC to the FBI director and first combat vet and POC to the national intelligence director. And there are multiple DEMOCRATS in his cabinet members.

If Trump were far-right he'd be a VERY different President.

[Mathius]

Origineel geplaatst door Chunk Norris ☯:

Make America Great Again is Middle Ground.

The left likes to call Trump the far-right but his policies are all things democrats of 15 years ago (obama democrats) would support.

Various things Trump has done has left it up to the states which is the middle ground approach.

Roe v Wade taking abortion and giving it to the states to decide is NOT a right-wing lets ban abortion move. It's a middle ground move. Let the folks in there state decide the laws.

Same thing with Department of Education. If the left want ot teach their wacky views of the world allow them to, but don't force those "religious" views unto states that want to focus on math/science/history.

Right now Trump whose labeled as far right and as a racist just appointed the first POC to the FBI director and first combat vet and POC to the national intelligence director. And there are multiple DEMOCRATS in his cabinet members.

If Trump were far-right he'd be a VERY different President.

Trump is a life long democrat who ran as an independent and won as a Republican because they couldn't afford to have their vote split, so they took him on.

He wasn't even really a politician when he ran the first time, just a celebrity who was once one of the most successful business men in the country.

People seem to conveniently forget all that.

[Joe]

Origineel geplaatst door Mathius:

The problem you're having is you're on the Steam forums, which are technically an American website, but have people from all over the world using it.

In my experience most of Off Topic political topics seem to be people from other countries trying to bash America.

The terms "left and right" change depending on which country you're speaking about, which is part of the reason these discussions are confusing and pointless.

I see I see. I'm not trying to bash America or any country. I'm just trying to understand the left or right definition correctly. But if you say that it actually depends on which country is being talked about, then thank you for the clarification.

Initially I thought the when someone says left or right, you literally only have two options and nothing in between.

[pants]

Origineel geplaatst door Mathius:

The problem you're having is you're on the Steam forums, which are technically an American website, but have people from all over the world using it.

In my experience most of Off Topic political topics seem to be people from other countries trying to bash America.

The terms "left and right" change depending on which country you're speaking about, which is part of the reason these discussions are confusing and pointless.

People are very bad at grasping the idea that there's both an "objective" left, right, and centre --- and a "subjective" left, right, and centre. And they have an annoying tendency to argue from the latter rather than the former (and ignore that middle-grounds do indeed exist)

[Blunt Raps]

Liberal <----> conservative
At least thats what its supposed to mean.

And those continue.
Far left is communism and socialism.
Far right is things like a monarchy and other forms centralized power.

These days, the words mean nothing at all though. You have countries like the UK, which is technically a monarchy, arresting people for national socialist rhetoric and stuff, and claiming its far right. Judging by this, i take it communism is further left than socialism. But im no expert, i just notice inconsistencies in propaganda.