Time for NATO to step in

[Azuwi]

Ukraine should not accept a peace deal with USA/Russia. It is time now for NATO to step in, send in troops to defend Ukraine territory, so Russians can be defeated and withdrawn, this is the right way with Trump in Office.

Why? Now that Trump is in bed with Putin, Trump don't want war and wants peace, so he will have a big factor from avoiding Putin to use Nuclear weapons so it's not gonna even happen if NATO troops are defending Ukraine.

I doubt that Russia can vs 31 countries and win.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

they may not win but you're all going to end up getting nuked there in europe since they have a lot of them and *that* country whose name i refuse to type down

[ZZZZZ]

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they may not win but you're all going to end up getting nuked there in europe since they have a lot of them and *that* country whose name i refuse to type down

we will just take russia and its vassal state down with us

[Azuwi]

Ursprungligen skrivet av 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei:

they may not win but you're all going to end up getting nuked there in europe since they have a lot of them and *that* country whose name i refuse to type down

Trump is not gonna let that happen, that Russia nuke Europe, because that would be bad for Trump and America. Bad for economics. Trump cares alot about himself, and he will probably even bolster about nuking Russia if they use nukes. Nukes is off the table with Trump as president, so send in the Nato troops to defend Ukraine now so the war can end correctly.

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei:

they may not win but you're all going to end up getting nuked there in europe since they have a lot of them and *that* country whose name i refuse to type down

we will just take russia and its vassal state down with us

pretty much how I'd imagine it
loss for both

[Oneeyed]

USA is NATO. Without the USA there is no NATO to speak with. Maybe Poland but they wont send troops and die for Ukraine. Also they are brave allies to the US and will not abandon America.

Also calling for World War 3 is just stupid because in this case Putin just drops a few nuclear bombs on your head which poisons the food chain for the next 50000 years and it will mean mostly all life will end on earth.

WW1 started 100 years ago and because of the same rethoric.

And if you think europeans going to die for Ukraine you are totally delusional. Sending money and weapons is one thing. Sending your sons and daughters to a foreign war would make all these european governments go away. This would mean civil war in many countries imho.

In addition all the european cry babies couldnt make it a single day at a real frontline.

[ZZZZZ]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡⁧⁧Kei:

they may not win but you're all going to end up getting nuked there in europe since they have a lot of them and *that* country whose name i refuse to type down

Trump is not gonna let that happen, that Russia nuke Europe, because that would be bad for Trump and America. Bad for economics. Trump cares alot about himself, and he will probably even bolster about nuking Russia if they use nukes. Nukes is off the table with Trump as president, so send in the Nato troops to defend Ukraine now so the war can end correctly.

he would probably join russia and send nukes to europe too, its also why EU has to build up their own nukes now that USA becomes a major threat

[Azuwi]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av ZZZZZ:

we will just take russia and its vassal state down with us

pretty much how I'd imagine it
loss for both

well it wont happen since if both europe and russia get nuked (to oblivion) then it would affect america too (cold winter, collapse of economy etc) and trump would be remembered as the worst president in history probably, so there is literally 0% chance that a nuclear bomb war is going to happen if Nato send in troops now.

With biden as president? Yes over 50% chance a nuclear war would happen if nato where to intervene since USA is also in nato, but now not.

[Azuwi]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Oneeyed:

USA is NATO. Without the USA there is no NATO to speak with. Maybe Poland but they wont send troops and die for Ukraine. Also they are brave allies to the US and will not abandon America.

Also calling for World War 3 is just stupid because in this case Putin just drops a few nuclear bombs on your head which poisons the food chain for the next 50000 years and it will mean mostly all life will end on earth.

WW1 started 100 years ago and because of the same rethoric.

And if you think europeans going to die for Ukraine you are totally delusional. Sending money and weapons is one thing. Sending your sons and daughters to a foreign war would make all these european governments go away. This would mean civil war in many countries imho.

In addition all the european cry babies couldnt make it a single day at a real frontline.

no USA is not in NATO, and USA won't send troops to ukraine, the government already made that clear. There is another 31 countries who is in nato though and i'm sure all those together would defeat russia. Poland would send troops to Ukraine 100% , since they are one of the most rivals for russia. This is not even WW3 and it wont happen because trump. Russia is gonna invade Poland either way if we dont do it. This is not even about ukraine, its about the security of europe.

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Trump is not gonna let that happen, that Russia nuke Europe, because that would be bad for Trump and America. Bad for economics. Trump cares alot about himself, and he will probably even bolster about nuking Russia if they use nukes. Nukes is off the table with Trump as president, so send in the Nato troops to defend Ukraine now so the war can end correctly.

he would probably join russia and send nukes to europe too, its also why EU has to build up their own nukes now that USA becomes a major threat

EU already has their own nukes in several countries

[Катюша]

NATO is an outdated relic of the past that has needed reforming for decades now. Now that the USA are threatening it, perhaps they will finally get off their arses and do so.

If they do not reform, USA will leave, it is only a matter of time. If USA leaves NATO, what's to stop them partnering with Russia in the future in their own coalition.

[Netaris]

The EU and NATO never worked, because for it to work it need a new historic entity : europeans. Except "europeans" don't exist. There is frenchs, germans, spanishs, romanians, italians and so on, but no such thing as "europeans". There is no real solidarity between these countries and no one is willing to pay for the others or to help them for free. Because outside of globalist's fantasies, "europeans" don't exist, just like the "soviets" weren't a real thing either in the USSR.

[Azuwi]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Катюша:

NATO is an outdated relic of the past that has needed reforming for decades now. Now that the USA are threatening it, perhaps they will finally get off their arses and do so.

If they do not reform, USA will leave, it is only a matter of time. If USA leaves NATO, what's to stop them partnering with Russia in the future in their own coalition.

I thouoght USA already left nato when trump took office, i thought that was one of his first thinigs to do. But I am not so sure if USA and russia will side together since Russia still sees china as one of their true ally, and USA is pretty anti china. While on the other hand, Europe have good terms with china.

[Azuwi]

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I thouoght USA already left nato when trump took office, i thought that was one of his first thinigs to do.

yeah when you getvall your news and information from Reddit that tends to lead you into believe nonsense and misinformation

actually almost all news outlet like this like CNN but even reddit is more trustworthy then "real" news outlets.

[Pocahawtness]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Azuwi:

Ukraine should not accept a peace deal with USA/Russia. It is time now for NATO to step in, send in troops to defend Ukraine territory, so Russians can be defeated and withdrawn, this is the right way with Trump in Office.

Why? Now that Trump is in bed with Putin, Trump don't want war and wants peace, so he will have a big factor from avoiding Putin to use Nuclear weapons so it's not gonna even happen if NATO troops are defending Ukraine.

I doubt that Russia can vs 31 countries and win.

Erm, I don't think you understand what NATO is.

The war between Russia and Ukraine is not NATO's concern.

NATO is a defensive force that acts when one of it's member countries is attacked. The most it could do in Ukraine is send in peace keeping troops, but as yet there is no peace!

[Goldias]

Russia probably won't have to fight all 31 countries.

NATO most likely won't openly help ukraine.
To avoid sending their people to die for a stranger they don't actually care.

[Oneeyed]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Azuwi:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Oneeyed:

USA is NATO. Without the USA there is no NATO to speak with. Maybe Poland but they wont send troops and die for Ukraine. Also they are brave allies to the US and will not abandon America.

Also calling for World War 3 is just stupid because in this case Putin just drops a few nuclear bombs on your head which poisons the food chain for the next 50000 years and it will mean mostly all life will end on earth.

WW1 started 100 years ago and because of the same rethoric.

And if you think europeans going to die for Ukraine you are totally delusional. Sending money and weapons is one thing. Sending your sons and daughters to a foreign war would make all these european governments go away. This would mean civil war in many countries imho.

In addition all the european cry babies couldnt make it a single day at a real frontline.

no USA is not in NATO, and USA won't send troops to ukraine, the government already made that clear. There is another 31 countries who is in nato though and i'm sure all those together would defeat russia. Poland would send troops to Ukraine 100% , since they are one of the most rivals for russia. This is not even WW3 and it wont happen because trump. Russia is gonna invade Poland either way if we dont do it. This is not even about ukraine, its about the security of europe.

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he would probably join russia and send nukes to europe too, its also why EU has to build up their own nukes now that USA becomes a major threat

EU already has their own nukes in several countries

Where do you live? In China.

In the EU only 1 country has nukes. The UK has nukes too and thats it. No other european country has its own nukes.

Anyway in case of an attack of the european countries on russia they will drop nukes. I dont understand why you would think europeans would die for Ukraine anyway?

And without the US europe has no army to speak of besides Poland. And Poland already said they will send no troops whatsoever.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/poland-will-not-send-troops-to-ukraine-says-pm-tusk/ar-AA1zdadq

And Tusk is one of the lefties. The right wing polish people stand beside the US for decades now.

France had an army once. As did UK but then outlawed patriotic feelings. And let's face it patriots are the people who join an army and not lefties. Even pay rise didnt stop UK's army in losing people

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/soldiers-leave-the-armed-forces-in-their-droves-despite-labour-pay-rise/

This happened all over europe. You wont get soldiers if you tell the people their countries are worthless and you shouldnt be proud of your country.