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Our "post-truth" world reality...
...sucks. I'm not taking a position left/right/center. But damn. It's just so frustrating. Not because I can't find my own truth/reality... but the fact that everyone seems to have a different reality nowadays. My method has always been to talk to different people, and extrapolate from there.

I'm 50-plus. So I remember a day when phones were on walls, and there were three "stations" on your TV (plus PBS). It was kinda nice really... And don't even get me started on cell phones...
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Goblin Mar 6 @ 1:10am 
Not having a phone has been a healing experience for me, I am a bit envious. Just feels like a lot of social media or just the internet in general wants to overload and hook you. Now hooking you on algorithms specifically made for you. Which can mess with your world view if you take everything at face value

As someone from Gen Z, yeah it does feel like people live different realities (can be just true in some cases lol)
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this is why if you are able, seek companionship in real life. it does not always erase this, but peoples are more hesitant to share extreme beliefs in person because they do not wish to be isolated. they can share extreme beliefs online with no consequences, so why not?

but also remember, everyone is the main character of their own life. we can only see life through our eyes, nobody elses. we can imagine what it is like for others, but only be experiencing it through our own.

so, we do all have different "realities", but most of the time i do not think this is being such a bad thing. i do think there should be some commonly agreed upon things, like understandings of science. but eh.

you cannot control nobody but yourself. if somebody is speaking of realities that do not "mesh" with your own, and you cannot move past these differences, cut them off. cease speaking to them. sometimes people are just incompatible. that is fine, there is 8 billion peoples on this planet, we do not have to get along with everybody.
Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
...sucks. I'm not taking a position left/right/center. But damn. It's just so frustrating. Not because I can't find my own truth/reality... but the fact that everyone seems to have a different reality nowadays. My method has always been to talk to different people, and extrapolate from there.

I'm 50-plus. So I remember a day when phones were on walls, and there were three "stations" on your TV (plus PBS). It was kinda nice really...

You sound reminiscent of the old days, but nothing has changed

CJM Mar 6 @ 1:15am 
Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
...sucks. I'm not taking a position left/right/center. But damn. It's just so frustrating. Not because I can't find my own truth/reality... but the fact that everyone seems to have a different reality nowadays. My method has always been to talk to different people, and extrapolate from there.

I'm 50-plus. So I remember a day when phones were on walls, and there were three "stations" on your TV (plus PBS). It was kinda nice really... And don't even get me started on cell phones...
I'm about 40.

My Dad was big into AmWay. I saw it as a precursor to the modern "post-truth" stuff. Somehow I wound up in a Christian Home School, not surprised by what is happening now.

I enjoyed Star Trek and the DC Animated Universe.

I valued online debate, on forums very similar to the Steam forums. Debate seems to be lacking on social media.

Facebook in particular seems to be very toxic with throwing everything into everybody else's faces all the time.

Other social media has limited participation ("replies") and a lot of duplicate threads ("comment threads").

My upbringing was the Bible, school books, Star Trek, DC, and then self-directed research and study often propelled by online debate.
Azuwi Mar 6 @ 1:16am 
Your either a extremist Democrat today or an extremist Republican today, there is no middle mix in between like the 2000-2012 had.
Originally posted by salamander:
so, we do all have different "realities", but most of the time i do not think this is being such a bad thing. i do think there should be some commonly agreed upon things, like understandings of science. but eh.

I was reading a news article earlier today. It featured Trump/Musk/etc saying, "I can't say that Fort Knox has any/all the gold." It's kind of amazing how merely saying that is enough to make that reality "true." It's like the worst aspect of all these stoopid "multi-verse" movies condensed into reality.... *sigh* And it didn't take a massive "magic" machine from a sci-fi movie, it's just a sound-byte.
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Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
...sucks. I'm not taking a position left/right/center. But damn. It's just so frustrating. Not because I can't find my own truth/reality... but the fact that everyone seems to have a different reality nowadays. My method has always been to talk to different people, and extrapolate from there.

I'm 50-plus. So I remember a day when phones were on walls, and there were three "stations" on your TV (plus PBS). It was kinda nice really...

You sound reminiscent of the old days, but nothing has changed


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CJM Mar 6 @ 1:20am 
Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
I was reading a news article earlier today. It featured Trump/Musk/etc saying, "I can't say that Fort Knox has any/all the gold." It's kind of amazing how merely saying that is enough to make that reality "true."
We moved off the "Gold Standard" years ago. 1933 domestically, and 1971 internationally.

Beyond that, anything else is absurdism to the point of trolling. What does it matter if Fort Knox has any gold at all, much less "all of it"???
Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
Originally posted by salamander:
so, we do all have different "realities", but most of the time i do not think this is being such a bad thing. i do think there should be some commonly agreed upon things, like understandings of science. but eh.

I was reading a news article earlier today. It featured Trump/Musk/etc saying, "I can't say that Fort Knox has any/all the gold." It's kind of amazing how merely saying that is enough to make that reality "true." It's like the worst aspect of all these stoopid "multi-verse" movies condensed into reality.... *sigh*

i have mostly just given up on peoples who deny concrete facts. if someone is denying facts, of anything, they are doing so most likely willfully. these types of peoples cannot really be argued with.

if someone tells you that air does not exist, and they read about it in some article. to me these types of people are not worth keeping in your life.

there is a difference to me between "differing realities" like: "i think the government should do this instead of that" and "i think the earth is the shape of a triangle". the first is fine.

that latter one is not true, but some people believe strange things like this. and i think when it comes to complete denials of facts and reality like this, these peoples are just not worth your time.
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Sorry. I genuinely wasn't trying to make this about politics. I didn't mean "all" I meant "all we're supposed to have in there." I know about Nixon/gold standard stuff.

But that's a really good example of how my laziness in typing a few more words to qualify "all" to "all there's supposed to be" is how our language is simply just not working anymore. Any chance of miscommunication is virtually built into the language at this point.
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CJM Mar 6 @ 1:26am 
Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
Sorry. I genuinely wasn't trying to make this about politics. I didn't mean "all" I meant "all we're supposed to have in there." I know about Nixon/gold standard stuff.
Well, it is political. No way around it.

However, it is a matter of irrelevance in discussing "post-truth", outside of neutral discussions about the vitriol it raises in the political arena.

For this topic, it could be Shrodinger's Gold in Fort Knox. The specific quantity is irrelevant.
Originally posted by CJM:
For this topic, it could be Shrodinger's Gold in Fort Knox. The specific quantity is irrelevant.

Quite so. Awarded. But isn't that really the crux of the issue? Ft Knox(/Know?) has gold in it. A lot. So unless Trump literally tests/handles every single bar (in a manner that could be verified at least by him), then it's fanciful? First, I'd like to think our Prez has better things to be doing. Second, I'm not sure I would believe him, 'cuz well... just don't believe him. His relationship with absolute truth is... passing at best, IMHO. But that's policitics again, isn't it? Sigh.

I mean, it feels like we've regressed to Ancient Greece... dealing with how the Sun revolves around the Earth.
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Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
...sucks. I'm not taking a position left/right/center. But damn. It's just so frustrating. Not because I can't find my own truth/reality... but the fact that everyone seems to have a different reality nowadays. My method has always been to talk to different people, and extrapolate from there.

I'm 50-plus. So I remember a day when phones were on walls, and there were three "stations" on your TV (plus PBS). It was kinda nice really... And don't even get me started on cell phones...

You remember when in the good ole days only surgeons and drug dealers needed pagers?
CJM Mar 6 @ 1:39am 
Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
Originally posted by CJM:
For this topic, it could be Shrodinger's Gold in Fort Knox. The specific quantity is irrelevant.

Quite so. Awarded. But isn't that really the crux of the issue?
That this topic has derailed the thread into an irrelevant side quest/tangent???

That is the crux of my issue with your post.

Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
Ft Knox(/Know?) has gold in it. A lot. So unless Trump literally tests/handles every single bar (in a manner that could be verified at least by him), then it's fanciful? First, I'd like to think our Prez has better things to be doing.
We have better things to be doing that discussing the gold in Ft. Knox.

Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
Second, I'm not sure I would believe him, 'cuz well... just don't believe him. His relationship with absolute truth is... passing at best, IMHO. But that's policitics again, isn't it? Sigh.
That isn't politics, that is "post-truth".

Politics is convincing a majority that you are right. The charisma of leadership.

Post-Truth is ignoring truth.
Originally posted by marcusaddamsson:
Originally posted by salamander:
so, we do all have different "realities", but most of the time i do not think this is being such a bad thing. i do think there should be some commonly agreed upon things, like understandings of science. but eh.

I was reading a news article earlier today. It featured Trump/Musk/etc saying, "I can't say that Fort Knox has any/all the gold." It's kind of amazing how merely saying that is enough to make that reality "true." It's like the worst aspect of all these stoopid "multi-verse" movies condensed into reality.... *sigh* And it didn't take a massive "magic" machine from a sci-fi movie, it's just a sound-byte.

if he's just a face for our robot overlord then obviously his every word is going to be fact; he's made a world out of lies already there's barely any resistance to more of them.

and he owns the establishment, so making people reflect his ideas is trivial. even when they're patently wrong.
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