Free to play or free to try

[rosu9801]

Is there anyone else who wants steam to rename it to that? Since most of the games especially the competative ones requires you to spend to win. In theory its free, but drop 5 euros and you beat every non spending player with ease. So many games becomes about spending instead of player skill. Isnt that borderline false advertising, can it be a potential lawsuit?

[Gus the Crocodile]

It says "free to play", not "free to be top of the leaderboards". There's nothing false about it.

You don't have to like "pay to win" games; I don't either. But there are free games that aren't like that, and they certainly don't deserve to be looked down on because some other developers have made games you don't approve of. The generalising is unhelpful; just don't play the games you don't like.

[slashnacke]

yes rigt

[BŁA DO ŻEJ]

Doesn't matter how they call it, as long as you are able to play it :D

[Kargor]

Back in the days, I've played a lot of Free2Play games -- for free.

I never did anything multiplayer, though. I solo-ed through the games, which means no peer-pressure and no need to be "better" than the other guy.

[Plaid]

I generally refer to it as "Not2Buy" or "DoNotBother" games.

I like to BUY my games, and then Play them so that I may get better with others that do the same thing.

It's like the US Presidential election with those things. You may not be the best guy for the job, but if you spend enough, you will still win.
Those aren't games in the video game sense, more of a metagame about who can spend the most money and get the publisher rich.

Now, I've been playing a lot of Loadout lately, which narrows the real money transactions down to purely consmetic stuff, so those that don't pay are not really at a disatvantage.

[Caffeinated Cat]

yeah, but there are some non-ptw games too that are free

[Ailes]

"Pay 2 win" is a myth. No free-to-play game that isn't eager to get some community ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rolling them over is a genuine P2W title. There are a few F2P games that monetize themselves with cosmetic items only (Path of Exile), the bigger rest is doing something inbetween where you can unlock gear too, but usually this allows for different playstyles mostly rather than being straight upgrades. One could call paying for playstyles "P2W" too, but if you go with that logic you will have no choice but call almost any F2P title P2W, which would render this whole discussion pointless.

[rosu9801]

Guess what i do understand a PvE F2p where you can only buy cosmetic stuff doesnt make you miss out on anything in the game, just grind on and get better stuff (Path of exile, best game ive played in a long time!). But what is the opposite, a PvP game that when you meet a opponent with a bought unit that easily slays your entire free team. I calculated i need to play some ~1000 PvE training games or take my chances loosing in PvP and screw my "ranking" to get the best unit, i dont really care about ranking though, i just dont like being fodder for other players with bigger wallets. Winners can often be A-holes, especially in PvP games... I wont name the game here cause its its just in beta atm, and hopefully a lot will change in it. But people can probably figure out what game im talking about. To say there is no P2W is BS, plenty of games give you huge advantages with real money. There is a big difference between PvE and PvP.

[Welene Wios]

no.

Because playing =/= winning.

Free to play means Free to play. No one promised anyone of winning.

[Ailes]

I've played several F2P PvP games and none are genuine P2W titles. Blacklight: Retribution, Planetside 2, Loadout, HAWKEN, and (since some time) Team Fortress 2: They allow you to buy gear, but more often than not it enables you to play differently, not necessarily better. There are some things which make you better/which are straight upgrades, like stuff that fills out previously empty equipment slots, or some guns which are practically upgrades because they haven't been fully balanced yet gameplay-wise, but the ambition to make it work like I wrote is there. Because again: The developers know very well about the P2W issue. I hardly think they want their games to be P2W. And they know the anger and ragestorm they will unleash and receive by their community should they go that way. There are some tryhards who will follow blindly and buy all ♥♥♥♥ they can afford, but most people are very sensitive about this P2W thing and won't make it easy for any developer/publisher should their noses "smell" it.

I'm not saying there aren't tendencies to give advantages to people who pay. But the developers/publishers can't just do it to any full extend without getting stomped by their communities. And so this whole "P2W" issue is not as bad as some make it look like. I don't know any genuine P2W title where your success is granted by the things you buy. Skill and teamplay often matter more. If two equally skilled guys or teams face each other the one with the better gear will probably win, but you will never see 100 % equal skills so it's kinda silly arguing that way.

[grounded in reality]

just make all f2p games p2p.

[rosu9801]

I didnt say i demand to win, i have no problem losing to better players, unless they verbally abuse you for it... I got a problem losing against someones wallet. If you cant understand that please define playing to me, is it about having fun or automatically loosing and risk being verbally abused?

[Ailes]

You don't lose against someone's wallet strictly. If you are more skilled/apply better teamplay you will still win. But I don't know what game you were talking about where it might matter more what you spend on the store.

[rosu9801]

Haha the best advice is as always "Dont play the game!" so i wont, uninstalled. Ill go play Path of exile again =)

[Ailes]

So what was that other game?