How do Americans even work if they get mad that they don't get tips?

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Literally the only country in the world where the workers are greedy enough to think they're entitled to a tip.

[Xero_Daxter]

Tipping culture is outdated. It’s was created during the Great Depression when people were desperate. It’s 2023 now. Times has changed. Stop living in the past.

[Fried Brains]

I'm saying things are worse for every one involved, LA, Vegas, New York, the more Dems fix what is broken the worse it gets.

[RRW359]

Messaggio originale di Fried Brains:

I'm saying things are worse for every one involved, LA, Vegas, New York, the more Dems fix what is broken the worse it gets.

Nevada is battleground and I wouldn't exactally call Montana or Alaska liberal but they seem to understand how dumb tip credit is.

[mikel3113]

Messaggio originale di RRW359:

Messaggio originale di mikel3113:

Federal minimum wage is $2.13 for tipped workers, but yes many States pay more but many do not as well .

Below quote and subsequent link listed below show that 16 states, one of which I live in only have a federal minimum wage of $2.13. This is what I'm referring too mainly. Then another 28 states tipped employee wages above the federal minimum, but not necessarily to the non-tipped workers minimum of $7.25. Many and the majority are below that, but some of those 28 are above. Still without tips that's not a very liveable wage in many areas.

Especially in the 16 states where servers are making $2.13 people should be tipping them. I used to be one years ago and I wouldn't have been able to support myself without tips. If you want to be considerate to others and people who are serving you food, you should be cognizant of that in the states where it's applicable


"States that follow the federal tipped minimum wage
When it comes to the tipped wage, these states follow the federal rate of $2.13 per hour

Alabama. Mississippi Texas
Georgia Nebraska Utah
Indiana North Carolina Virginia
Kansas Oklahoma* Wyoming
Kentucky South Carolina
Louisiana Tennessee". ----

https://www.patriotsoftware.com/blog/payroll/federal-state-tipped-minimum-wage-rates/

But unless they are breaking the law and lying about getting tipped when they aren't they are making the same as the minimum wage worker who is expected to tip them.

Not sure I'm understanding. Explain your thoughts on this specifically below in relation to your previous comment .....

I used to be a server. I made $2.13 and I was a " tipped worker" so It was completely legal for my employer to pay me that as minimum wage. Tips were not built into the check automatically in any way and so in theory I could work all day and not get a single $1 tip and I'd only make $23 total after taxes for a 12 hr shift. My employer has no obligation to pay me more if I didn't get tipped because I'm still classified as eligible for tips although I didn't receive them.

That's what I'm saying . I wouldn't be making the same as a non-tipped worker making minimum wage and they would make $78.30 after taxes working the same hours. It's necessary for the customer to tip or know that that is the structure and it's frowned upon to not tip because I can't live on $23 a day. Would you agree or disagree with those statements? Would you tip a person in my position knowing that?

[RRW359]

Messaggio originale di mikel3113:

Messaggio originale di RRW359:

But unless they are breaking the law and lying about getting tipped when they aren't they are making the same as the minimum wage worker who is expected to tip them.

Not sure I'm understanding. Explain your thoughts on this specifically below in relation to your previous comment .....

I used to be a server. I made $2.13 and I was a " tipped worker" so It was completely legal for my employer to pay me that as minimum wage. Tips were not built into the check automatically in any way and so in theory I could work all day and not get a single $1 tip and I'd only make $23 total after taxes for a 12 hr shift. My employer has no obligation to pay me more if I didn't get tipped because I'm still classified as eligible for tips although I didn't receive them.

That's what I'm saying . I wouldn't be making the same as a non-tipped worker making minimum wage and they would make $78.30 after taxes working the same hours. It's necessary for the customer to tip or know that that is the structure and it's frowned upon to not tip because I can't live on $23 a day. Would you agree or disagree with those statements? Would you tio a person in my position knowing that?

Read and download the poster and then read the section on tip credit, it's only legal to pay under minimum wage if the wage paid plus tips is equal to minimum wage.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/posters/flsa

[DoomsDay]

I dont know how to balance the feeling of entitle between worker and customer.

each person deal with the world differently

[Unexpected]

Messaggio originale di Chaosolous:

When I was in restaurant management I paid my waitresses $1.80 an hour.

If you didn't tip, they didn't eat.

sounds like a personal problem, you should have paid them a real human wage

[RRW359]

Messaggio originale di Chaosolous:

When I was in restaurant management I paid my waitresses $1.80 an hour.

If you didn't tip, they didn't eat.

That's not even legal by Ametican standards even if the employee is overreporting tips, unless this was decades ago.

[pants]

Messaggio originale di RRW359:

Messaggio originale di Chaosolous:

When I was in restaurant management I paid my waitresses $1.80 an hour.

If you didn't tip, they didn't eat.

That's not even legal by Ametican standards even if the employee is overreporting tips, unless this was decades ago.

a lot of steam posters are ancient, yes

[mikel3113]

Messaggio originale di RRW359:

Messaggio originale di mikel3113:

Not sure I'm understanding. Explain your thoughts on this specifically below in relation to your previous comment .....

I used to be a server. I made $2.13 and I was a " tipped worker" so It was completely legal for my employer to pay me that as minimum wage. Tips were not built into the check automatically in any way and so in theory I could work all day and not get a single $1 tip and I'd only make $23 total after taxes for a 12 hr shift. My employer has no obligation to pay me more if I didn't get tipped because I'm still classified as eligible for tips although I didn't receive them.

That's what I'm saying . I wouldn't be making the same as a non-tipped worker making minimum wage and they would make $78.30 after taxes working the same hours. It's necessary for the customer to tip or know that that is the structure and it's frowned upon to not tip because I can't live on $23 a day. Would you agree or disagree with those statements? Would you tio a person in my position knowing that?

Read and download the poster and then read the section on tip credit, it's only legal to pay under minimum wage if the wage paid plus tips is equal to minimum wage.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/posters/flsa

Well that would have been true for my job as I always was at least tipped to the point of clearing minimum wage. I also did this job before 2009 when I see this was implemented. To my knowledge back around 2006, if I had been an Applebee's worker where people don't seem to get tipping, I could literally walk home with that $2.13 hourly . That may have changed I personally wasn't ever really underpaid although I was completely stiffed on an occasion, but it didn't average out to make it an unlivable wage. I worked in fine dining though and was also a wine sommelier. People that ate at the restaurant I worked at typically had class and tipped well. A typical two top bill would be around $120-150 inside usually get $20-30 a table. It wasn't uncommon to have a two top with wine to go to $500 a table though and I'd get about $100 and some would give me a 20 to $40 tip on the wine in top of that.

The whole system needs to change really but then the drawback is food prices go up on meals if an employer is having to pay all their servers more

Nowadays I don't work for tips as an ICU nurse. That'd be a horrible reality if you had to tip your health care team lol. They pay me well enough to take care of your asses

[Xero_Daxter]

Messaggio originale di an onion cartel:

Messaggio originale di RRW359:

That's not even legal by Ametican standards even if the employee is overreporting tips, unless this was decades ago.

a lot of steam posters are ancient, yes

A lot of them are older than my dad.

[RRW359]

Messaggio originale di mikel3113:

Messaggio originale di RRW359:

Read and download the poster and then read the section on tip credit, it's only legal to pay under minimum wage if the wage paid plus tips is equal to minimum wage.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/posters/flsa

Well that would have been true for my job as I always was at least tipped to the point of clearing minimum wage. I also did this job before 2009 when I see this was implemented. To my knowledge back around 2006, if I had been an Applebee's worker where people don't seem to get tipping, I could literally walk home with that $2.13 hourly . That may have changed I personally wasn't ever really underpaid although I was completely stiffed on an occasion, but it didn't average out to make it an unlivable wage. I worked in fine dining though and was also a wine sommelier. People that ate at the restaurant I worked at typically had class and tipped well. A typical two top bill would be around $120-150 inside usually get $20-30 a table. It wasn't uncommon to have a two top with wine to go to $500 a table though and I'd get about $100 and some would give me a 20 to $40 tip on the wine in top of that.

The whole system needs to change really but then the drawback is food prices go up on meals if an employer is having to pay all their servers more

Nowadays I don't work for tips as an ICU nurse. That'd be a horrible reality if you had to tip your health care team lol. They pay me well enough to take care of your asses

If everything was being done legally then it wouldn't raise the price any higher then it would be if you included the tip as part of the price. And restaurants are doing fine in States where tip credit is outlawed due to how easily it is exploited even with the price increase and the expectation to tip the same percentage as in States that allow tip credit. If someone wealthy isn't tipping then maybe they deserve some criticism but I draw the line at telling people that if they can't afford to tip it's better to not eat out then to support local businesses.

[Xero_Daxter]

Do I feel bad for not tipping?

No. It’s not my job.

[mikel3113]

Messaggio originale di RRW359:

Messaggio originale di mikel3113:

Well that would have been true for my job as I always was at least tipped to the point of clearing minimum wage. I also did this job before 2009 when I see this was implemented. To my knowledge back around 2006, if I had been an Applebee's worker where people don't seem to get tipping, I could literally walk home with that $2.13 hourly . That may have changed I personally wasn't ever really underpaid although I was completely stiffed on an occasion, but it didn't average out to make it an unlivable wage. I worked in fine dining though and was also a wine sommelier. People that ate at the restaurant I worked at typically had class and tipped well. A typical two top bill would be around $120-150 inside usually get $20-30 a table. It wasn't uncommon to have a two top with wine to go to $500 a table though and I'd get about $100 and some would give me a 20 to $40 tip on the wine in top of that.

The whole system needs to change really but then the drawback is food prices go up on meals if an employer is having to pay all their servers more

Nowadays I don't work for tips as an ICU nurse. That'd be a horrible reality if you had to tip your health care team lol. They pay me well enough to take care of your asses

If everything was being done legally then it wouldn't raise the price any higher then it would be if you included the tip as part of the price. And restaurants are doing fine in States where tip credit is outlawed due to how easily it is exploited even with the price increase and the expectation to tip the same percentage as in States that allow tip credit. If someone wealthy isn't tipping then maybe they deserve some criticism but I draw the line at telling people that if they can't afford to tip it's better to not eat out then to support local businesses.

I'd have to disagree depending on the state. In my state, GA, you don't tip at buffet restaurants and fast food and if you can't afford to tip then you should eat at those places or cook food yourself. I'll always tip waiter/waitresses/servers here in my state. They deserve more than $2.13 in the hour they're serving me and my family food.

[xAlphaStarOmegax]

I really hate the tipping culture. Because companies don't want to give people what they should be getting, they expect us to. It sucks because in today's economy, people aren't making the same amount of income that they used to, yet all of these businesses are still expecting tips and raising the prices on everything. Look at the price of things like used cars and houses; it's completely inflated, and video games are still being sold for $60. People can't afford this anymore; it's all just so selfish.