How do Americans even work if they get mad that they don't get tips?

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Literally the only country in the world where the workers are greedy enough to think they're entitled to a tip.

[swillfly]

İlk olarak lying sack of fun tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak ZZZZZ tarafından gönderildi:

dont people usually pay after the food is done?

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Yes; people typically pay the bill after eating and then pay the server/waitress a tip or leave one on the table.

[Chaosolous]

When I was in restaurant management I paid my waitresses $1.80 an hour.

If you didn't tip, they didn't eat.

[ZZZZZ]

İlk olarak swillfly tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak lying sack of fun tarafından gönderildi:

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Yes; people typically pay the bill after eating and then pay the server/waitress a tip or leave one on the table.

means they cant spit in it cuz they simply dont know I wont tip

[Chaosolous]

İlk olarak ZZZZZ tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak swillfly tarafından gönderildi:

Yes; people typically pay the bill after eating and then pay the server/waitress a tip or leave one on the table.

means they cant spit in it cuz they simply dont know I wont tip :lunar2019coolpig:

Unless you come back. Everyone will know you stiffed the waitress. Words travel fast in restaurants.

If you don't tip, I wouldn't return. You roll the dice.

I seen some ♥♥♥♥.

[Downtown DK Company ✅]

I used to tip 10% until some waiter told me that was like tipping him nothing. So now I will tip 0% because they view them as the same.

[RRW359]

İlk olarak Chaosolous tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak ZZZZZ tarafından gönderildi:

means they cant spit in it cuz they simply dont know I wont tip :lunar2019coolpig:

Unless you come back. Everyone will know you stiffed the waitress. Words travel fast in restaurants.

If you don't tip, I wouldn't return. You roll the dice.

I seen some ♥♥♥♥.

I like how it's acceptable to threaten illegal stuff in responce to doing something completely legal especially when the more you read the law the more you question the culture around semi-mandatory tipping.

[Crazy Tiger]

İlk olarak Good Night Owl tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Crazy Tiger tarafından gönderildi:

Nobody should be asking for tips to begin with. Tips are courtesy, ffs.

So I keep hearing. I'm not going down this entire conversation all over again.

Cause people much rather defend a broken system.

[Chaosolous]

İlk olarak RRW359 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Chaosolous tarafından gönderildi:

Unless you come back. Everyone will know you stiffed the waitress. Words travel fast in restaurants.

If you don't tip, I wouldn't return. You roll the dice.

I seen some ♥♥♥♥.

I like how it's acceptable to threaten illegal stuff in responce to doing something completely legal especially when the more you read the law the more you question the culture around semi-mandatory tipping.

Laws don't stop people from being awful. They punish people who get caught.

Living with this idea that "well that's illegal!" is ignorant and dangerous.

The tipping culture is wrong and broken, that doesn't mean you should make it harder for the person doing the work. If you don't tip them, they have earn virtually no money while providing you a service. If you don't understand that (not you specifically, just people in general) then you're an ignorant, cheap, unempathetic ♥♥♥♥ and honestly most people in that industry won't care about you as a person.

Most people seem to think that there's a bunch of professionals working in restaurants. That's not true. Some might have a chef, but most are just a bunch of ex-convicts and hot chicks with slimy people running the joint. Restaurant culture outside of "fine dining" is pretty much drug and grunge.

You think a convict cares if they spit in your food?

They don't.

Anyway, I left this industry for a reason. The people in it suck ass and so do most of the customers. Frankly, cook your own ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ meal if you're gonna complain.

It riles me up obviously, I'm out of this thread.

[Biscuit]

İlk olarak RRW359 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Biscuit tarafından gönderildi:

Under federal law, employers can pay workers less than the fixed minimum wage of $7.25/hr because tips are considered part of their total compensation.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

And the source you gave showed that not all States just take the Federal laws and don't modify them. I'm not saying that workers are being entitled in most States (although they are breaking the law by misreporting their tax income to be paid subminimum and I don't know if that can be blamed on the coustomer) but I've heard too many people in States that illegalize tip credit complaining about non-tippers to say there isn't some entitlement.

Sure, you can under report your tip wages to avoid taxes. I'll bet most waiters do that and I don't blame them. On the other hand, there are entitled workers who cheat on taxes and also raise hell about anything less than a 20% tip.

[RRW359]

İlk olarak Biscuit tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak RRW359 tarafından gönderildi:

And the source you gave showed that not all States just take the Federal laws and don't modify them. I'm not saying that workers are being entitled in most States (although they are breaking the law by misreporting their tax income to be paid subminimum and I don't know if that can be blamed on the coustomer) but I've heard too many people in States that illegalize tip credit complaining about non-tippers to say there isn't some entitlement.

Sure, you can under report your tip wages to avoid taxes. I'll bet most waiters do that and I don't blame them. On the other hand, there are entitled workers who cheat on taxes and also raise hell about anything less than a 20% tip.

Actually it's the opposite, the only way someone can be paid less then the minimum wage in the US is if they claim they were given tips when they weren't. Understandable if their job is on the line and it's why I choose to boycott any restaurant and hotel in States that don't make tip credit illegal, but since it's the servers choice to break the law in order to keep their job instead of switching jobs I also won't blame anyone in those States for not tipping.

[mikel3113]

İlk olarak RRW359 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak mikel3113 tarafından gönderildi:

You're naive and fail to understand a key point. The structure of certain jobs in America require tips to be considered a living wage.

Example, you get paid $2.13 per hour in my state a a server/waiter.

Work 11am- 11pm =$25.56 for the whole day. Minimum tax bracket is 10% here in the US, So after taxes that's at best $23 for the whole day without adding tips. Working 6 of 7 days a week you're only at $138 a week. Nobody can live on that successfully here.

Other jobs pay a livable wage and tips are indeed extra. It depends on the specific job. I'd love for tipping industries to just pay their workers a livable base rate and do away with tipping, but as it stands, that's not the case. The flip side of that is food gets more expensive at restaurants so people will complain about costly food if they don't have to tip .So you have to play the game until that changes

In most States that is true to some extent, although not always down to 2.13 and some States illegalize that entirely. Either way restaurants aren't supposed to pay their staff any less then minimum, it's right on the Federal minimum wage posters. Of course they often do because the very existance of tip credit makes it easy to threaten employees with dismissal if they don't fudge some of their numbers, but I don't know if that should be put on the coustomer for the employee and employer both breaking laws.

Federal minimum wage is $2.13 for tipped workers, but yes many States pay more but many do not as well .

Below quote and subsequent link listed below show that 16 states, one of which I live in only have a federal minimum wage of $2.13. This is what I'm referring too mainly. Then another 28 states tipped employee wages above the federal minimum, but not necessarily to the non-tipped workers minimum of $7.25. Many and the majority are below that, but some of those 28 are above. Still without tips that's not a very liveable wage in many areas.

Especially in the 16 states where servers are making $2.13 people should be tipping them. I used to be one years ago and I wouldn't have been able to support myself without tips. If you want to be considerate to others and people who are serving you food, you should be cognizant of that in the states where it's applicable


"States that follow the federal tipped minimum wage
When it comes to the tipped wage, these states follow the federal rate of $2.13 per hour

Alabama. Mississippi Texas
Georgia Nebraska Utah
Indiana North Carolina Virginia
Kansas Oklahoma* Wyoming
Kentucky South Carolina
Louisiana Tennessee". ----

https://www.patriotsoftware.com/blog/payroll/federal-state-tipped-minimum-wage-rates/

[Fried Brains]

Tipping is a great system, keeps food prices low and allows excellent servers to make more money. Many don't see it that way and want to drive wages up instead of tipping. Now we pay more for our food and receive lousy service because excellent service gets paid the same as lousy service.

[Xero_Daxter]

İlk olarak Chaosolous tarafından gönderildi:

When I was in restaurant management I paid my waitresses $1.80 an hour.

If you didn't tip, they didn't eat.

I forgot the part where it was my problem.

[RRW359]

İlk olarak mikel3113 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak RRW359 tarafından gönderildi:

In most States that is true to some extent, although not always down to 2.13 and some States illegalize that entirely. Either way restaurants aren't supposed to pay their staff any less then minimum, it's right on the Federal minimum wage posters. Of course they often do because the very existance of tip credit makes it easy to threaten employees with dismissal if they don't fudge some of their numbers, but I don't know if that should be put on the coustomer for the employee and employer both breaking laws.

Federal minimum wage is $2.13 for tipped workers, but yes many States pay more but many do not as well .

Below quote and subsequent link listed below show that 16 states, one of which I live in only have a federal minimum wage of $2.13. This is what I'm referring too mainly. Then another 28 states tipped employee wages above the federal minimum, but not necessarily to the non-tipped workers minimum of $7.25. Many and the majority are below that, but some of those 28 are above. Still without tips that's not a very liveable wage in many areas.

Especially in the 16 states where servers are making $2.13 people should be tipping them. I used to be one years ago and I wouldn't have been able to support myself without tips. If you want to be considerate to others and people who are serving you food, you should be cognizant of that in the states where it's applicable


"States that follow the federal tipped minimum wage
When it comes to the tipped wage, these states follow the federal rate of $2.13 per hour

Alabama. Mississippi Texas
Georgia Nebraska Utah
Indiana North Carolina Virginia
Kansas Oklahoma* Wyoming
Kentucky South Carolina
Louisiana Tennessee". ----

https://www.patriotsoftware.com/blog/payroll/federal-state-tipped-minimum-wage-rates/

But unless they are breaking the law and lying about getting tipped when they aren't they are making the same as the minimum wage worker who is expected to tip them.

[RRW359]

İlk olarak Fried Brains tarafından gönderildi:

Tipping is a great system, keeps food prices low and allows harder workers to make more money. Many don't see it that way and want to drive wages up instead of tipping. Now we pay more for our food, receive less service and hard workers get paid the same as lazy workers.

If the only time they can pay workers less is when they are tipped then prices wouldn't increase when you factor in the price of a tip. If tip credit allows food to be even cheaper then that then you are acknowledging that they are illegally being paid less when they aren't making tips. Tips as a reward for exceptional service encourages harder work then tips wheather service was good or not because you are afraid they will be mistreated if you don't; also are you saying that restaurants in places like Vegas and California where tip credit is illegal are worse experiences then one's on the east coast where it is legal?