Anyone else getting tired of 2D indie games?

[SENTAR]

To me the vast majority of indie games are bad games, mainly because despite the developers' status as independant most of the games are unoriginal gimmicky cash grabs if not blatant knock offs. Just think back to when Minecraft skyrocketed to the huge success it has now. Now think of all the countless garbage Minecraft knock offs you have seen over the last few years, on multiple platforms. Go ahead and try and count them because I sure can't. Whether you enjoy Minecraft or not it is good game, and it has everything you could hope for from an indie game, orginality and most of all ambition.

Now back to the topic at hand 2D retro indie games. Ever since the popularity and success of games like braid and limbo (both critically and monetarily) there have been wave after wave of 2D indie games. Some are genuinely good, but most seem to me to be shameless cash grabs trying to get a piece of the action that actual groundbreaking (or at least eye catching) 2D games already got. Essentially the recent slew of 2D retro indie games are to successes like braid and limbo, what the minecraft knock offs are to Minecraft.

If you followed E3 than you must have saw the many 2D indie games that will be coming out soon shamelessly be begging for your money. Sure some of them might be masterpieces, better than anything that ever came before. I for one don't care and am frankly disappointed that so many of these games are coming out. It is not because I dislike the genre either (which I do not dislike) it is because of the over saturation of the genre. I for one would much rather go play something more ambitious or entertaining, and will probably shy away from most upcoming indie games.

Some of you may respond with common quips like "If you don't like it don't play it!" or "Just don't buy it then!" and your absolutely right that is exaclty what I am going to do. But, if you do respond like that I think you missed the point of this long post. I like to play a wide variety of games, singleplayer, multiplayer, shooter, rpg, simulation, strategy, racing, fighting, etc. I like games with great and engrossing stories and I also like mindless action fests. But at the end of the day though I am disapointed by the slew of new and upcoming 2D games (hell I won't even limit it to indies).

I currently am much more excited for games like No Man's Sky and Kingdom Come: Deliverance due to their originality and ambition something many of these ohter indie devs making 2D games should take note of. I don't hate 2D games, in fact I have enjoyed plenty over the long years they have been around, however I firmly believe the genre is over done and should be shelved for a while.

Share your thoughts, are retro 2D games starting to tire you out too?

[HLCinSC]

Not really as I don't have to even visit their store page and it's not like the influx of indie titles is causing big name publishers to not make AAA games anymore.
Just like any company a game development team usually will see market trends and demand an make a product that would appeal to them.

[Nervend]

I wish indie games were more than -sidescrolling platformers- and -point and click adventure-.

[SENTAR]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KaizenWerx:

I wish indie games were more than -sidescrolling platformers- and -point and click adventure-.

exaclty, thats why I hold originality and ambition so highly , and why I am excited for Kingdom come and No Man's Sky

[TastyToast]

i got bored of 2d games back when ps1 came out.

[Nervend]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KaizenWerx:

I wish indie games were more than -sidescrolling platformers- and -point and click adventure-.

exaclty, thats why I hold originality and ambition so highly , and why I am excited for Kingdom come and No Man's Sky

Gonna have to look those games up now. Good on you, friend

[SENTAR]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KaizenWerx:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SENTAR:

exaclty, thats why I hold originality and ambition so highly , and why I am excited for Kingdom come and No Man's Sky

Gonna have to look those games up now. Good on you, friend

I highly recommend looking them up, and they will all eventually have realeases on PC, PS4, and Xbox One

[airmikee99]

Which genre isn't over satured with dozens of knock offs knocking off other knock offs? Is there a genre of video games that has a lack of titles because no one in the world is making them because they're all focused on 2D games?

If having a broad, general similarity to someting makes it a knock off, isn't Minecraft, this ground breaking, inspiring, amazingly awesome game you claim it is, just a digital knock off of LEGO, which are in turn a plastic knock off of wood blocks?

Which video games aren't begging for money? If you can make a video game for free and distribute it for free, do it, but until you do your complaints that other developers want to get paid for their work are meaningless.

I guess I don't get tired of seeing any video games, if I don't like it I browse a different part of the store. I've looked forward to video games becoming a greater and greater part of our culture since I played my first Atari 2600 games, and now there's more variety than ever before. How can you say this is a bad thing?

Eventually a developer will knock off something from the past and people will flock to play it and indie developers will follow suit. If you think the genre is already done that just means your taste in games isn't as in touch with the popular taste right now.

But if you're looking for them to disappear, good luck. 2D games are exponentially easier to code than 3D games, the more indie developers entering the market the more quick and easy to program games will appear, which I contend is a good thing. It shows the market is healthy and robust with a diverse array of entertainment choices, so again, how is this a bad thing?

[Nervend]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από airmikee99:

Which genre isn't over satured with dozens of knock offs knocking off other knock offs? Is there a genre of video games that has a lack of titles because no one in the world is making them?

If having a broad, general similarity to someting makes it a knock off, isn't Minecraft, this ground breaking, inspiring, amazingly awesome game you claim it is, just a digital knock off of LEGO, which are in turn a plastic knock off of wood blocks?

Which video games aren't begging for money? If you can make a video game for free and distribute it for free, do it, but until you do your complaints that other developers want to get paid for their work are meaningless.

I guess I don't get tired of seeing any video games, if I don't like it I browse a different part of the store. I've looked forward to video games becoming a greater and greater part of our culture since I played my first Atari 2600 games, and now there's more variety than ever before. How can you say this is a bad thing?

Eventually a developer will knock off something from the past and people will flock to play it and indie developers will follow suit. If you think the genre is already done that just means your taste in games isn't as in touch with the popular taste right now.

But if you're looking for them to disappear, good luck. 2D games are exponentially easier to code than 3D games, the more indie developers entering the market the more quick and easy to program games will appear, which I contend is a good thing. It shows the market is healthy and robust with a diverse array of entertainment choices, so again, how is this a bad thing?

I agree with most of your post. The problem is that Indie devs don't seem to know other genres exist other than "sidescrolling platformer" or "Point and Click adventure".

There are others, sure. But they are the exception. IMO, whether the game is 2D or 3D isn't the point.

[SENTAR]

I tihnk this guy understands what I am saying

[airmikee99]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KaizenWerx:

I agree with most of your post. The problem is that Indie devs don't seem to know other genres exist other than "sidescrolling platformer" or "Point and Click adventure".

There are others, sure. But they are the exception. IMO, whether the game is 2D or 3D isn't the point.

Those games are made because those are the games that people want to purchase. Video games aren't one of those industries were games are made against popular opinion and shoved down our throats, they make what we've shown them in the past we're willig to pay for, and that's what they'll continue to make until our wallets tell them otherwise.

There aren't many other types of games that can fit into a 2D atmosphere. What kind of games on the 2600/5200/NES weren't sidescrolling, platforming, joystick/D-pad and button adventures?

When I think back I can't think of anything worth remembering other than a sidescrolling, platforming game until things like Wolfenstein, Doom, Descent, and Tomb Raider arrived in the early 90's.

[Nervend]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KaizenWerx:

I agree with most of your post. The problem is that Indie devs don't seem to know other genres exist other than "sidescrolling platformer" or "Point and Click adventure".

There are others, sure. But they are the exception. IMO, whether the game is 2D or 3D isn't the point.

Those games are made because those are the games that people want to purchase. Video games aren't one of those industries were games are made against popular opinion and shoved down our throats, they make what we've shown them in the past we're willig to pay for, and that's what they'll continue to make until our wallets tell them otherwise.

There aren't many other types of games that can fit into a 2D atmosphere. What kind of games on the 2600/5200/NES weren't sidescrolling, platforming, joystick/D-pad and button adventures?

When I think back I can't think of anything worth remembering other than a sidescrolling, platforming game until things like Wolfenstein, Doom, Descent, and Tomb Raider arrived in the early 90's.

I understand your point, but honestly. Who hasn't played Megaman, Castlevania, Super Mario bros. at this point? I have. I've beaten them numerous times. I don't want to play your derivative game, I've played much better ones already. Other people want to, apparently. I just wish indie devs branched out more.

[Matty]

Just because a game is in the same genre doesn't mean it's a knockoff. Let's look at Minecraft and Terraria.

Minecraft is 3D and Terraria is a 2D indie title. They aren't all that similar even though they are both considered "retro, sandbox, building" titles. Minecraft came first (I think), but that doesn't mean that Terraria is a knockoff. It just means they're in the same genre, so they share some similarities. I'd even argue that Terraria is the better game (in my opinion).

With your logic every FPS is a knockoff of Doom or every MOBA is a knockoff of DOTA or every RTS is a knockoff of Command & Conquer. I'd argue that this isn't true at all. Each game in these genres bring something new to the table even if they do share similarites with other games.

[airmikee99]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KaizenWerx:

I understand your point, but honestly. Who hasn't played Megaman, Castlevania, Super Mario bros. at this point? I have. I've beaten them numerous times. I don't want to play your derivative game, I've played much better ones already. Other people want to, apparently. I just wish indie devs branched out more.

2D games won't evolve much more because of the limitations of using a 2D environment. And Indie devs have branched out into other genres using 3D gaming. Bastion, Banished, The Stanley Parable, Kerbal Space Program, and the grand daddy of them all right now, Star Citizen.

I don't mind redo's of old style games, Castlevania:Symphony of the Night on PS1 is my favorite Castlevania game of all time still, even more than the originals on the NES, and the PS1 was perfectly capable of handling 3D gaming.

Look what happened to all of those game franchises you mentioned, every single one reborn in 3D.

[Energy]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SENTAR:

To me the vast majority of indie games are bad games, mainly because despite the developers' status as independant most of the games are unoriginal gimmicky cash grabs if not blatant knock offs. Just think back to when Minecraft skyrocketed to the huge success it has now. Now think of all the countless garbage Minecraft knock offs you have seen over the last few years, on multiple platforms. Go ahead and try and count them because I sure can't. Whether you enjoy Minecraft or not it is good game, and it has everything you could hope for from an indie game, orginality and most of all ambition.

Now back to the topic at hand 2D retro indie games. Ever since the popularity and success of games like braid and limbo (both critically and monetarily) there have been wave after wave of 2D indie games. Some are genuinely good, but most seem to me to be shameless cash grabs trying to get a piece of the action that actual groundbreaking (or at least eye catching) 2D games already got. Essentially the recent slew of 2D retro indie games are to successes like braid and limbo, what the minecraft knock offs are to Minecraft.

If you followed E3 than you must have saw the many 2D indie games that will be coming out soon shamelessly be begging for your money. Sure some of them might be masterpieces, better than anything that ever came before. I for one don't care and am frankly disappointed that so many of these games are coming out. It is not because I dislike the genre either (which I do not dislike) it is because of the over saturation of the genre. I for one would much rather go play something more ambitious or entertaining, and will probably shy away from most upcoming indie games.

Some of you may respond with common quips like "If you don't like it don't play it!" or "Just don't buy it then!" and your absolutely right that is exaclty what I am going to do. But, if you do respond like that I think you missed the point of this long post. I like to play a wide variety of games, singleplayer, multiplayer, shooter, rpg, simulation, strategy, racing, fighting, etc. I like games with great and engrossing stories and I also like mindless action fests. But at the end of the day though I am disapointed by the slew of new and upcoming 2D games (hell I won't even limit it to indies).

I currently am much more excited for games like No Man's Sky and Kingdom Come: Deliverance due to their originality and ambition something many of these ohter indie devs making 2D games should take note of. I don't hate 2D games, in fact I have enjoyed plenty over the long years they have been around, however I firmly believe the genre is over done and should be shelved for a while.

Share your thoughts, are retro 2D games starting to tire you out too?

nvm

[BillyTheFish]

I agree. Some of the 2D games being sold on Steam lately would've embarrassed the Sinclair Spectrum.
Don't buy 'em. Hopefully, someone will get the message.