How long does a spider normally stay in a room?

[mason]

(1st part in greentext because it is easier to explain

>2am last night
>watching video, with hand not on mouse
>see spider crawling onto/in my mouse (Corsair M65)
>omg
>♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ run out of the room and close the door


Now is the first time I have been back in the room, is the spider most likely still in here, or has it most likely left?

im so spooked, I hate spiders

[neopolitan]

Messaggio originale di intok:

Till you sleep, then it moves into your ear...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/spider-lives-in-chinese-womans-ear-for-five-days-before-doctors-flush-it-out/

Now I'm never gonna sleep again

[Fork_Q2]

Messaggio originale di Maya:

Messaggio originale di Fork_Q:

Intense mental effort is "painful", as in it stresses, frustrates and drains you. You only remember the good parts now, but that's what nostalgia does to people. Learning almost any new worthwhile skill requires you to overcome that difficulty curve, ask any educator. If we took your argument to the logical end, education is "barbaric" too, hey, some people really have dropped out of all education altogether.

A phobia is an unreasonable fear, if all it took was statistics on air flight safety to overcome your fear of flying, you probably didn't actually have a phobia in the first place.

I don't consider that as painful. Maybe you do, but I don't. Also, nope, I still remember both good and bad. Language was something that I was interested in, so it never felt frustrating to me. Now math and social studies on the other hand...

Ofcourse basic math was fun, but I never got the point of learning all those advanced equations and stuff. I am not going to use them for anything. Long story short, I just put enough effort to pass my exams and to this day haven't regretted it.

Had I been given the choice, I would have skipped them. But I wasn't and I resent that.

As for phobia, I was afraid of spiders. Then as I grew older, I learned what they can and cannot do. That made me realize that I don't need to be afraid of them anymore. Not saying that I am still alright with a spider on my face. But it is not fear anymore, more like disgust and repulsiveness.

But the point is, it wasn't through contact or hands on experience. Just knowledge.

Ofcourse, my other fear, one of parasites, have only increased with contact and experience and knowledge. Then again, that is a pretty reasonable fear.

Of course you'd say that, humans only remember the last memory of the very thing they are trying to remember, memory is a game of "Chinese whispers". We have for some reason or another an inbuilt mechanism to shape our own memories to suit us, usually to be more positive than actually is.

You did those "advanced equations" because arithmetic alone isn't a very good sign of actual ability with maths and numbers, which is what they wanted to assess.

Again, if it was the mere fact that spiders were harmless that you stopped you from having a fear of spiders, it's unlikely you actually had a phobia. Nor did it have anything to do with "willpower" as in your other post. I know no spider in the UK could do me any harm, but they still scare the living ♥♥♥♥ out of me, that there is a bona fide phobia.

[76561198119391273]

Messaggio originale di Fork_Q:

Messaggio originale di Maya:

I don't consider that as painful. Maybe you do, but I don't. Also, nope, I still remember both good and bad. Language was something that I was interested in, so it never felt frustrating to me. Now math and social studies on the other hand...

Ofcourse basic math was fun, but I never got the point of learning all those advanced equations and stuff. I am not going to use them for anything. Long story short, I just put enough effort to pass my exams and to this day haven't regretted it.

Had I been given the choice, I would have skipped them. But I wasn't and I resent that.

As for phobia, I was afraid of spiders. Then as I grew older, I learned what they can and cannot do. That made me realize that I don't need to be afraid of them anymore. Not saying that I am still alright with a spider on my face. But it is not fear anymore, more like disgust and repulsiveness.

But the point is, it wasn't through contact or hands on experience. Just knowledge.

Ofcourse, my other fear, one of parasites, have only increased with contact and experience and knowledge. Then again, that is a pretty reasonable fear.

Of course you'd say that, humans only remember the last memory of the very thing they are trying to remember, memory is a game of "Chinese whispers". We have for some reason or another an inbuilt mechanism to shape our own memories to suit us, usually to be more positive than actually is.

You did those "advanced equations" because arithmetic alone isn't a very good sign of actual ability with maths and numbers, which is what they wanted to assess.

Again, if it was the mere fact that spiders were harmless that you stopped you from having a fear of spiders, it's unlikely you actually had a phobia. Nor did it have anything to do with "willpower" as in your other post. I know no spider in the UK could do me any harm, but they still scare the living ♥♥♥♥ out of me, that there is a bona fide phobia.

I can only assure you that my memories of this particualr matter are very clear, or clear enough. I can't prove it due them being nothing more than memories, however, it has not undergone any alteration. Whether you choose to believe that or not, is your choice.

And I don't care about what they wanted to access. I was talking about what good it does for me to learn it. Like I said, I don't see it being useful to me & such a thing I don't wish to waste time learning is given the choice, hence it was as you put it, nothing but pain. But, I am not thankful for it. I hate it just as I hated it then.

Well then you could say that if we see it that way, I am not afraid of anything. Because fear doesn't go beyond that for me, it never did. Mostly because no matter what I do or don't do, I already know the final outcome.

[Fork_Q2]

Messaggio originale di Maya:

Messaggio originale di Fork_Q:

Of course you'd say that, humans only remember the last memory of the very thing they are trying to remember, memory is a game of "Chinese whispers". We have for some reason or another an inbuilt mechanism to shape our own memories to suit us, usually to be more positive than actually is.

You did those "advanced equations" because arithmetic alone isn't a very good sign of actual ability with maths and numbers, which is what they wanted to assess.

Again, if it was the mere fact that spiders were harmless that you stopped you from having a fear of spiders, it's unlikely you actually had a phobia. Nor did it have anything to do with "willpower" as in your other post. I know no spider in the UK could do me any harm, but they still scare the living ♥♥♥♥ out of me, that there is a bona fide phobia.

I can only assure you that my memories of this particualr matter are very clear, or clear enough. I can't prove it due them being nothing more than memories, however, it has not undergone any alteration. Whether you choose to believe that or not, is your choice.

That's the thing about memories, we our selves are the easiest people to trick or fool when it comes to this. Our "strongest" or "most vivid" memories are no less prone to manipulation. For anything worth struggling for, you had to put extra effort in when some people would have just given up. A life without any struggle or pain is one where you accomplish nothing at all.

And I don't care about what they wanted to access. I was talking about what good it does for me to learn it.

Because you may decide to pick a career where it or something similar would come useful, even as a proxy, it's a good measure for lots of other skills.

Well then you could say that if we see it that way, I am not afraid of anything. Because fear doesn't go beyond that for me, it never did. Mostly because no matter what I do or don't do, I already know the final outcome.

Fear and phobias are not the same thing, you cannot have a "phobia" of being mugged or stabbed in a shady looking alley because that is a very real threat in almost any town or city in the world. Fear could very well be overcome by knowledge alone, phobias are irrational and therefore cannot.

Almost everyone has a fear or something, not everyone has a phobia.

[intok]

Messaggio originale di Fire Walk With Me:

Messaggio originale di intok:

Till you sleep, then it moves into your ear...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/spider-lives-in-chinese-womans-ear-for-five-days-before-doctors-flush-it-out/

the real story here is that cbs is now reporting drivel non-stories.

CBS(and everyone else) has done only drivel non stories ever since Reagan killed the fairness doctrine and all media companies where then allowed to fold their News department into their advertising wing. If you want real news don't look at any of the mass media in the US.

[76561198119391273]

Messaggio originale di Fork_Q:

That's the thing about memories, we our selves are the easiest people to trick or fool when it comes to this. Our "strongest" or "most vivid" memories are no less prone to manipulation. For anything worth struggling for, you had to put extra effort in when some people would have just given up. A life without any struggle or pain is one where you accomplish nothing at all.

I am not saying that I didn't put any effort. But it was never painful. One could ask anyone who was there at the time and they would tell you the same. I don't consider something that you are interested in and hence put the effort to achieve being painful, unless ofcourse we are talking about physical pain.

Because you may decide to pick a career where it or something similar would come useful, even as a proxy, it's a good measure for lots of other skills.

However, the equations have already been created and solved. If the need arises, I could just as easy look it up. No need to study and memorise it. Afterall we are not in an age where information is passed down by speech alone.

Fear and phobias are not the same thing, you cannot have a "phobia" of being mugged or stabbed in a shady looking alley because that is a very real threat in almost any town or city in the world. Fear could very well be overcome by knowledge alone, phobias are irrational and therefore cannot.

Almost everyone has a fear or something, not everyone has a phobia.

Then tell me why my reaction to a harmless spider and a dangerous one, the same ? I know that a normal spider cannot hurt me. But that doesn't mean that I am ok with letting it live. Maybe, nothing has changed. But instead of fear, I feel hate wheever I see arachnids now. But I certainly will be feeling uneasy unless I manage to kill one if I saw it.

[Tricks]

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[mong]

Use magic.
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[Fork_Q2]

Messaggio originale di Maya:

I am not saying that I didn't put any effort. But it was never painful. One could ask anyone who was there at the time and they would tell you the same. I don't consider something that you are interested in and hence put the effort to achieve being painful, unless ofcourse we are talking about physical pain.

Yes, no great achievement in the history of mankind was done without any pains or great struggle to reach it. Like I said, it just sounds like a rosy view of something that was many, many years ago.

However, the equations have already been created and solved. If the need arises, I could just as easy look it up. No need to study and memorise it. Afterall we are not in an age where information is passed down by speech alone.

"Looking it up" isn't proof you understood it or to be able to work out similar but different equations you do not have the answer memorised or recorded for access, which was the point. Not all difficulties in the real world outside mandatory education could be solved by tapping out the answers, it's often more complex than that. If you cannot add two and two together without being aided by a calculator, you probably have no business doing anything with numbers.

Then tell me why my reaction to a harmless spider and a dangerous one, the same ?

If you lived in a place where there really are spiders that can harm you, that would not be a phobia, we already established you have no phobias of spiders, or even fear it would seem. I would say your fight and flight response needs some adjustment here since there is a sensible reason not to want to cause a dangerous spider to harm you, when you could just brush off non-dangerous spiders.

[76561198119391273]

Messaggio originale di Fork_Q:

Yes, no great achievement in the history of mankind was done without any pains or great struggle to reach it. Like I said, it just sounds like a rosy view of something that was many, many years ago.

Like I said, effort =/= pain. You seem to think otherwise. Maybe we just have different definitions of what "pain" is.

"Looking it up" isn't proof you understood it or to be able to work out similar but different equations you do not have the answer memorised or recorded for access, which was the point. Not all difficulties in the real world outside mandatory education could be solved by tapping out the answers, it's often more complex than that. If you cannot add two and two together without being aided by a calculator, you probably have no business doing anything with numbers.

Addition, subtraction etc, I need to use in day to day life. Deriving E=mc ^2, I could use without. I don't need to learn to derive the equation to understand the result. Einstein has already done it for me. If I want to be a physicist or something, then I can get to that stuff, not in highschool.

If you lived in a place where there really are spiders that can harm you, that would not be a phobia, we already established you have no phobias of spiders, or even fear it would seem. I would say your fight and flight response needs some adjustment here since there is a sensible reason not to want to cause a dangerous spider to harm you, when you could just brush off non-dangerous spiders.

However, as I have stated, the response is same regardless of actual threat or danger. And maybe, our definitions of fear are also different.

[Ineffable Anathema]

Messaggio originale di Fork_Q:

Messaggio originale di Trappu-desu-chan:

How could this experience make you less afraid of spiders? Weird psychology.

He wasn't injured by the experience, he could have swallowed that thing and nothing bad would happen to him. Dealing with phobias head on is the best way to deal with them.

I'd agree with this for the most part, unless of course dealing with them head on could be dangerous or deadly ...

For example, say a person is severely phobic about bees and wasps, but it is because they have had horrific anaphylactic reactions to the stings. Meeting this fear head on could well result in this person's death.

Also, if you live in Australia please remember that all of nature is out to kill you. Seriously. Evil koalas, boxing kangaroos, terrifyingly toxic spiders, snakes from hell, jellyfish, insects from the pits of despair ... they even have trees down there that poison by touch. o.o

[Eros]

Messaggio originale di I AM SHODAN!:

Messaggio originale di Fork_Q:

He wasn't injured by the experience, he could have swallowed that thing and nothing bad would happen to him. Dealing with phobias head on is the best way to deal with them.

I'd agree with this for the most part, unless of course dealing with them head on could be dangerous or deadly ...

For example, say a person is severely phobic about bees and wasps, but it is because they have had horrific anaphylactic reactions to the stings. Meeting this fear head on could well result in this person's death.

Also, if you live in Australia please remember that all of nature is out to kill you. Seriously. Evil koalas, boxing kangaroos, terrifyingly toxic spiders, snakes from hell, jellyfish, insects from the pits of despair ... they even have trees down there that poison by touch. o.o

Don't forget that some trees even explode over there (I think)

[Ineffable Anathema]

The debate about stress and health/pain needs to be put to rest as well. It's very well documented in research at this point that stress of whatever sort (physical, mental, or emotional) has some distinctly harmful effects on the body. This can include a very wide range of symptoms of anything from depression, fatigue, vulnerability to diseases, to even physical pain or cancers. There's simply no way to argue this anymore. It's fact. I'd be happy to provide references if anyone needs them.

[Darknayse.TTV]

arachniphobes beware for this scary fact.

no matter where you are,you are ALWAYS within an 8 foot radius of a spider.

[MOM]

Im an entomoligist and an arachnoligist, So i know alot about spiders, It could be in there, and most likely could of layed eggs. What kind was it?