Socialism. We need socialism right now.

[Zeno]

Socialism. We need socialism right now.

Mainly to save humanity and preserve humanity.
I talk about REAL socialism, not fake socialism.

Ideally with the goal of achieving communism.

[skOsH♥]

There is no actual, modern, pragmatic, and successful existence of socialism

Want to know why? Capitalism consumes the planet, and socialism is an easy way for a capitalist system to eat a lot of fish

Also, sequester and propagandize most of the more educated people and you have a recipe for thinking that socialism is "evil", or "capitalism is for smart people"

No. Capitalism is for weak, pathetic people, who get a jolly good time out of making more money by making other people lose money

Socialism is for strong people who could actually lift each other up. Unfortunately, the world is full of fat f**** who can't even lift themselves up, so they use money to buy friendship and influence to live the high life

Why would you call it the high life if you're not above everyone else?

That's how society has always crumbled.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingjames488:

it's about an assumption that the market will control it's self without any oversight... but we can see from literally everywhere that that doesn't actually work... or you end up with china and people just pumping out product with a total disregard for anything as long as it can be sold... even if it's immediately dumped in a pile of crappy bikes or w.e... if you can sell it, sell it!

no, capitalism is china to the T and it doesn't work.

China is not a capitalist country.

China has the socialist market economy thingy, which as far as most nations are concerned indeed makes them a capitalist country since 1992 which is deemed apparently is a state capitalism, for the record, apparently this is such a huge topic that even the CISI have no idea how to exactly deem it, and if you literally google "Is China a" the first result was literally 'capitalist' which implies this is a rather open ended debate topic...

[Zeno]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Nephizune!:

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

China is not a capitalist country.

China has the socialist market economy thingy, which as far as most nations are concerned indeed makes them a capitalist country since 1992 which is deemed apparently is a state capitalism, for the record, apparently this is such a huge topic that even the CISI have no idea how to exactly deem it, and if you literally google "Is China a" the first result was literally 'capitalist' which implies this is a rather open ended debate topic...

Disagreed.

[Kobs]

Move to China OP

[Zeno]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kobs:

Move to China OP

Negative.

[kingjames488]

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingjames488:

it's about an assumption that the market will control it's self without any oversight... but we can see from literally everywhere that that doesn't actually work... or you end up with china and people just pumping out product with a total disregard for anything as long as it can be sold... even if it's immediately dumped in a pile of crappy bikes or w.e... if you can sell it, sell it!

no, capitalism is china to the T and it doesn't work.

China is not a capitalist country.

they claim to be communist, but obviously are the most capitalist country in how they operate...

what is this? some kinda "anti-asia hate" propaganda where I have to respect china's pronouns?

besides... countries only go to such great lengths to announce their policies when they aren't true. "chinese communist party" is capitalist.... "democratic republic of ______" is a dictatorship... just because you call yourself "communist" or "democratic" doesn't make it true.

[Zeno]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingjames488:

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

China is not a capitalist country.

they claim to be communist, but obviously are the most capitalist country in how they operate...

what is this? some kinda "anti-asia hate" propaganda where I have to respect china's pronouns?

China is a socialist nation, not a communist nation nor a capitalist nation.

[MinionJoe]

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

STOP derailing man

That's the thing about socialism: Once it's in place, it's no longer yours to control.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Nephizune!:

China has the socialist market economy thingy, which as far as most nations are concerned indeed makes them a capitalist country since 1992 which is deemed apparently is a state capitalism, for the record, apparently this is such a huge topic that even the CISI have no idea how to exactly deem it, and if you literally google "Is China a" the first result was literally 'capitalist' which implies this is a rather open ended debate topic...

Disagreed.

I mean your more then welcome to, idk what the heck it even is myself, I'm trying to grasp its basics by reading it and it sounds like a communist yet capitalist mess, like I don't think even China gets what the hell it is...which is worrying when they invented the bloody thing.

[kingjames488]

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingjames488:

they claim to be communist, but obviously are the most capitalist country in how they operate...

what is this? some kinda "anti-asia hate" propaganda where I have to respect china's pronouns?

China is a socialist nation, not a communist nation nor a capitalist nation.

by who's definition tho?

[Zeno]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingjames488:

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

China is a socialist nation, not a communist nation nor a capitalist nation.

by who's definition tho?

Ursprungligen skrivet av Nephizune!:

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Disagreed.

I mean your more then welcome to, idk what the heck it even is myself, I'm trying to grasp its basics by reading it and it sounds like a communist yet capitalist mess, like I don't think even China gets what the hell it is...which is worrying when they invented the bloody thing.

I was raised in a socialist country.

China is definitely socialist with some capitalist components. But its certainly not a capitalist country as some of you clueless people claim.

[MinionJoe]

Ursprungligen skrivet av 𝙎𝙞𝙙𝙖𝙠𝙩𝙚:

China is a hybrid. the way i see it and i try to understand it, it has elements of capitalism and elements of socialism. it is not entirely socialistic and not entirely capitalistic either.

any corrections whatsoever welcome

It is. China had to enact State-run capitalism because the country was going bankrupt (in the community sense of the word.)

Once State-owned businesses started bringing in money from the West, that's when the Party recinded the "one child" policy.

[Alliesaurus]

What about horsecracy? All chant horse in tandem

[kingjames488]

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingjames488:

by who's definition tho?

Ursprungligen skrivet av Nephizune!:

I mean your more then welcome to, idk what the heck it even is myself, I'm trying to grasp its basics by reading it and it sounds like a communist yet capitalist mess, like I don't think even China gets what the hell it is...which is worrying when they invented the bloody thing.

I was raised in a socialist country.

China is definitely socialist with some capitalist components. But its certainly not a capitalist country as some of you clueless people claim.

ok... well since you can't manage to define it I'll do it for you.

Socialism is a political ideology that aims to make people equal. It generally focuses on equality of wealth (eg. similar wages, housing, education, healthcare),

that doesn't sound much like china to me?
china sounds more like...

advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works

except the CCP also claims it because they consider themselves as "the public"

[Zeno]

Ursprungligen skrivet av kingjames488:

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarDaddy:

I was raised in a socialist country.

China is definitely socialist with some capitalist components. But its certainly not a capitalist country as some of you clueless people claim.

ok... well since you can't manage to define it I'll do it for you.

Socialism is a political ideology that aims to make people equal. It generally focuses on equality of wealth (eg. similar wages, housing, education, healthcare),

that doesn't sound much like china to me?
china sounds more like...

advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works

You enjoy sounds a lot do you ?

May I ask how long you have lived and worked in China for to come to a valid conclusion ?