Who are the new moderators?

[Zeno]

Who are they?

You never see them writing on the forums nor respond to ban messages at all.

Warnings aren’t a thing anymore, now its huge bans or community bans.

Reasons for bans aren’t explained further, not by the support nor by the moderators.


How has this improved anything in comparison to previous volunteer mods? All I see is people being banned based on the amount of times people hit the report button not based on logic, context & rules.

You say one sentence that could be disliked by someone or a group of people and you get a ban slapped into your face.

How is this forum even still “ customer friendly “? It always feels like walking on egg shells.


Also, what was the point in legalising “ political discussions “ if one can get banned for defending his position. These bans are usually “ banned for being combative “.

How is any of this actually doing anything positive for the community? I don’t understand it at all!

I get people getting banned for harsh insults, racism, repetitive spamming and bullying. But it seems like anyone on here gets banned for anything.

Maybe some moderator could elaborate this for all of us. You can ban & lock threads but not write comments? This seems unusual to me and I would appreciate some thorough statement on this.

[Tonepoet]

They post closing messages sometimes. It is usually the same boilerplate closing messages each and every time they close a thread. One of the most common ones regards closing threads because they devolve into a non-constructive debate, which is usually used when there is back and forth responses between just two people. The other regards closing old threads to "avoid confusion", whatever that means. By searching for the text of these messages, you can find who wrote them, and their names are highlighted in green, with a special informational box on their profile detailing the appropriate conduct of steam moderators.

Here is a post by a moderator named "John", and here is John's profile as an example. I suppose a complete response would name each and every one of them, but it would probably be quite a massive undertaking, even if I was feeling in a particularly investigative mood. Anybody who is in the mood can try searching for the text of these boilerplate responses themselves though. Also, my main point here is just to iterate that they do write on the forums.

[Zeno]

Цитата допису Weimu:

Цитата допису Sparrow:

You are not listening. I have stated that I always shared my stances respectfully and without breaking the rules. You just decided to claim I get banned for being a jerk to other people, by this you are straight up claiming I lie.

he never said you were banned for "being a jerk" he said you're getting banned for the way you're presenting your stance and for being disrespectful. as mentioned, it doesn't matter if you feel that the way you said it was not "disrespectful" because the mods have the final say on that.

don't like it? well that's just how it is, and steam isn't going to change that because honestly, the forums are mostly an afterthought for them. they are just doing the bare minimum and act on reports

and sincerely as someone on the left...no, i definitely get banned when i insult people or get heated. it's not about your stance. just the same i have seen people present right wing views and not get banned for it...including Your_White_Knight. in fact it's been a while since i've seen him get a ban

moderation isn't perfect, in fact it's not even good, but you can still avoid most bans. emphasis on MOST of them. maybe not all, but most can be avoided. and if you find yourself always getting banned when you participate in politics, then just don't? it's not worth it. that's why i've stopped participating in political threads for the most part

Which means you guys failed to understand my thread.

The thread is about mods banning people for nothing, not mods banning people for being disrespectful. Wonder why this is so hard to understand ?

Are you claiming the bans mods apply are always justified and righteous ?

[Azza ☠]

Actual Valve Employees...

You will discover their steam accounts to be private with a statement message on top saying ...

"Valve Employees will never ask you for personal or account information, on Steam or anywhere else. You can safely ignore anyone who claims to have mistakenly reported you - that will not get you banned. If you need help with your Steam account, go to https://help.steampowered.com/ "

[Zeno]

Цитата допису Tonepoet:

They post closing messages sometimes. It is usually the same boilerplate closing messages each and every time they close a thread. One of the most common ones regards closing threads because they devolve into a non-constructive debate, which is usually used when there is back and forth responses between just two people. The other regards closing old threads to "avoid confusion", whatever that means. By searching for the text of these messages, you can find who wrote them, and their names are highlighted in green, with a special informational box on their profile detailing the appropriate conduct of steam moderators.

Here is a post by a moderator named "John", and here is John's profile as an example. I suppose a complete response would name each and every one of them, but it would probably be quite a massive undertaking, even if I was feeling in a particularly investigative mood. Anybody who is in the mood can try searching for the text of these boilerplate responses themselves though. Also, my main point here is just to iterate that they do write on the forums.

I also find it to be very controverse to close a thread barring everyone from discussing, because 2-3 people out of like 20 or 50 people, can't behave. Seems like the " easy option " for mods.

[Nekoborg]

I have seen things posted in Adult Games that would never be allowed in Off Topic. All from violence to bullying that takes place in many Games, especially a game called Next Day: Survival.

Example: Threads that are used to recruit gamers of a specific nationality that I will not name in Off Topic. These groups act like Gopnik thugs / bullies. They often plan which Game servers to flood just to gank, loot and corpse camp players who are from any other nationality. These Gopniks seem to be able to get away with things players of other nationalities get vac banned for... like using Aimbot so they never miss when shooting and impossible to kill by anyone not using Aimbot. I have tried to report these Gopniks for using that cheat program but the mods there seem to side with these Gopniks.

I can tell so many stories about that game, but in short I quit playing that game because the Gopniks took over and forced others who are not from this unnamed nationality to stop playing.

[Azza ☠]

Цитата допису Nekoborg:

I have seen things posted in Adult Games that would never be allowed in Off Topic. All from violence to bullying takes place in many Games, especially a game called Next Day: Survival.

Example: Threads that are used to recruit gamers of a specific nationality that I will not name in Off Topic. These groups act like Gopnik thugs / bullies. They often plan which Game servers to flood just to gank, loot and corpse camp players who are from any other nationality. These Gopniks seem to be able to get away with things players of other nationalities get vac banned for... like using Aimbot so they never miss when shooting and impossible to kill by anyone not using Aimbot. I have tried to report these Gopniks for using that cheat program but the mods there seem to side with these Gopniks.

I can tell so many stories about that game, but in short I quit playing that game because the Gopniks took over and forced others who are not from this unnamed nationality to stop playing.

How do you kill that which has no life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4VhXQyUj6I

[Tito Shivan]

Цитата допису Sparrow:

The thread is about mods banning people for nothing

Just like people get VAC banned 'for nothing'? We have a sub-forum full of those.

Doesn't mean they're right though.

Цитата допису Azza ☠:

"Valve Employees will never ask you for personal or account information, on Steam or anywhere else. You can safely ignore anyone who claims to have mistakenly reported you - that will not get you banned. If you need help with your Steam account, go to https://help.steampowered.com/ "

Scammers love to impersonate actual Valve staff. That's the reason for that text.
Back in the day I had a few impersonators, Community mods were also a target for impersonation.

Цитата допису Sparrow:

Are you claiming the bans mods apply are always justified and righteous ?

Mistakes do happen. But bans don't happen in a vaccuum.

[Zeno]

Цитата допису Tito Shivan:

Цитата допису Sparrow:

The thread is about mods banning people for nothing

Just like people get VAC banned 'for nothing'? We have a sub-forum full of those.

Doesn't mean they're right though.

Цитата допису Azza ☠:

"Valve Employees will never ask you for personal or account information, on Steam or anywhere else. You can safely ignore anyone who claims to have mistakenly reported you - that will not get you banned. If you need help with your Steam account, go to https://help.steampowered.com/ "

Scammers love to impersonate actual Valve staff. That's the reason for that text.
Back in the day I had a few impersonators, Community mods were also a target for impersonation.

Цитата допису Sparrow:

Are you claiming the bans mods apply are always justified and righteous ?

Mistakes do happen. But bans don't happen in a vaccuum.

Comparing an automated system detecting illegal software and banning people with human beings banning people on very stretchable set of rules does not seem like a fair comparison.

Mistakes do seem to happen quite a lot on here lately.

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

I've asked in the past for Threads to be locked or Deleted by the Staff,
because I didn't mean to post them, & had no way to actually get rid of them.

I reported to the Staff that this needed to be taken down,
& all because the Support Staff did not do as I asked,
I was reported by people & got Banned for posting the
Threads, & the Support Responded back saying that
they were not going to Un-Ban me for the Posts...

I find that the Forum Modderators Today are more problem
then they are helpful. They don't do anything Positive on the Forums,
& they don't even stay Constructive to the Rules on the Forums at all.

I find that people are abusing the Report System, & Moderators are abusing Bans...

This in turn does not actually improve the Forums at all, instead it only
provokes more, & more people to get Banned, it does absolutely nothing
to keep the Forums Clean of problems at all...

All this does is increase the problems on the Forums for everyone...

Right now? I bet you there are still people, heck even multiple people
abusing their right to be on the Forums at all. Avoiding their BAN's even Today,
especially the ones who were Permanently Banned already...



To me, the Steam Forums are more about Reporting, Banning,
Avoiding Bans, & Refusing to Follow Rules Today then the Forums
were ever about anything Constructive at all in the Past.

The Forums are completely out of Control just like our Big Cities in the USA
with all the high crime going around. The Police are having trouble maintaining
the Peace, & Forum Moderators are having trouble maintaining the Steam Forums.

Today, No One Is Following The Steam Rules At All,
& everyone Refuses to stop...








As far as the "No Politics Rule"

This probably changed, because the Support Staff was already over troubled
by having an out of Control Forums as it was. If something didn't change soon,
they would not have a Forums anymore. So the logical thing was to just allow
Politics into their Forums to elevate some of the problems going around.

However, this doesn't stop the Flame War Postings, & stop the Conflicts
between people, it only allowed more of it on the Forums, which now pushes
the Steam Support Staff to have even more problems on their hands...

So at this point, I guess is where the Steam Staff has sorta gotten lazy
with Responding to Reports to Bann people on the Forums, they take
longer to Respond & Ban, they Ban right away, they don't Respond for days,
they might not even Respond at all with a Ban, the Steam Support Staff
is all over the place now.

The Steam Support Staff doesn't know what to do anymore,
they keep having to Ban people, but people won't stop, &
refuse to quit doing anything the Support Staff tells them to do...



Now, you want to know who the Moderators are?
& why this keeps being a problem?
& how to fix the problem?

I don't think anyone cares who they are,
how to fix the problem at all, I don't think anyone
cares what the Moderators do, just so much
as people can screw around with the Moderators
as much as they like abusing Bans & Avoiding Them...

As I said, the Steam Forums are no longer about
talking about Video Games & Off Topic Discussions,
Today it's all about the Ban System & Abusing It...

[Your_White_Knight]

Цитата допису MinionJoe:

Цитата допису Nekoborg:

Do Game forums found on STEAM allow for more in Game autonomy?

Can Grames make and enforce their own rules with less or non interference from STEAM moderators?

So long as they don't violate any laws, my understanding is yes.

I have seen Steam moderators acting upon reported posts in abandoned gaming forums though. And those cases did, technically, involve illegal activity.

Correct...

Game forum Moderators are set up by Developers for their forums... they answer to the Developers and use the Developers rules... but still are under the overarching Valve/Steam rules but Valve/Steam pretty much leaves the moderation to the Developers unless it gets WAY out of hand...

Basically both Game Moderators and Steam Moderators work together.

Game Mods are usually promoted players although sometimes are Developer employees... that's why they might just cruse the forums and still interact not waiting for someone to flag something... Steam Mods just answer the flag.

[Xero_Daxter]

I remember the time when I got banned for a post I made 6 years ago.

[Doomerang]

I got a ban because I was harsh on a band a mod obviously liked. They are terrible in every way.

Don’t you dare talk smack about rage against the machine here apparently, or a mod will power trip on you

[Devsman]

Цитата допису Doomerang:

I got a ban because I was harsh on a band a mod obviously liked. They are terrible in every way.

Don’t you dare talk smack about rage against the machine here apparently, or a mod will power trip on you

Huh. I didn't know extremely simple algorithms that just apply a ban to everyone who has a marked post could like bands.

[[horse whinnies]]

Thanks so much "Wren" for protecting the people from getting confused. It would have been really terrible if someone thought a thread about hallucinating was made today when in fact it was made in the past. I can't even begin to imagine the damage that would have done.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/1698300679779454416/?ctp=6

[Sidakte]

dunno who the new mods are, but i did manage to catch up to the old forum mods just a bit before they retired.

so far i seriously practice self-control and i don't allow myself to not be calm when debating anything serious, not if we had pasta for dinner e.g.

i've argued with some people here and our opinions are quite frankly the polar opposites on 99.999% of the matters out there.

that doesn't mean civility must be thrown out of the window. clearly remember when i said that people have forgotten how to disagree. on the internet in general.
to agree is easy, to disagree and keep it cool is where its at tbh.

but yeah i don't see anything bad with the new mods tbh. they're just doing their job. i expect the same to happen to me if i really break the rules and start causing havoc around and make the forums generally unpleasant with my low lvl troll and political propaganda 24/7/365.