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St✩rlight (已封禁) 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 2:24
Hi I'm not a scientist but what if gravity doesn't exist?
What if it is all just magnetism. Just a bunch of electrons pushing and pulling.
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WhispersOfTheWind 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 9:00 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efh4bu4rcbs
When a guy like that says, (meh) "it could be" but also "it could not be" then like... Almost anything seems possible.

What we won't hear him ever say though is that the Earth is flat. That is just ridiculous.
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kingjames488 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 9:40 
引用自 zeke
引用自 kingjames488
I mean they been talkin about it for a long time... and dark matter... and dark energy... and well for that matter they were talking about launching the james webb for about 2 decades before they actually managed it...

my point is there's a lot of talk in the science community, and a lot of encouragement to come up with ideas... which isn't necessarily a bad thing... but it kinda is in an age when each of these ideas is picked up by the mainstream media and sensationalised like it's actually a thing. scientists have a lot of "ideas".

There is definitely a lot of sensationalism within the journalism community regarding scientific topics (and as a result they get a lot of things wrong or miss important nuances when talking about scientific subjects). That much is certainly true. And of course scientists can certainly have differing views/hypotheses too (which can further add to the confusion of journalists).

There are good reasons why scientists talked about the Higgs boson (before we had actually proved its existence) and why scientists talk about dark matter & energy. I won't get into those reasons into detail here, but our observations about the universe vs our current understanding of physics clearly indicates that we are still missing 'pieces of the puzzle'. Sometimes we have very clear ideas of what those pieces should/will look like (such as with Higgs) and sometimes they are a bit more fuzzy (such as dark energy). But these things aren't just some 'wacky' or 'zany' ideas that some scientist came up with after a night of [insert your choice of narcotic here]. They have very good reasons for proposing their existence(s).

Scientific progress takes time; it can be exceedingly slow (by the average person's standards). It took about 50 from when the Higgs boson was first proposed until we were able to actually prove its existence. Part of the problem here was that the only way you were ever going to be able to actually find the Higgs boson was by building super-colliders (which are massive and very expensive construction projects that required further scientific advancements to build/improve in order to yield the results/discoveries we've made from them).

As another example, gravitational waves were first proposed by Henri Poincaré in 1905. It took 111 years along with much hard work, dedication, funding and, in addition, a fair amount of creativity/ingenuity before we were able to prove gravitational waves existed (the existence of which many scientists in the past thought that it would be impossible to actually prove).

Again, scientific progress takes time. The answers to today's scientific questions will not come easily (nor necessarily cheaply for that matter). These questions will only be unraveled with time, dedication, and a good dose of ingenuity.
right, it takes time... but science has become over-confident and started treating provable assumptions (like quantum theory) as known facts.

it's leading to sloppy practices in science.
Pocahawtness 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 9:44 
引用自 Munithe EXT
What if it is all just magnetism. Just a bunch of electrons pushing and pulling.

Because that would be electromagnetism.

Gravity is why you don't float off the planet. Electromagnetism is why you don't fall through the floor all the way to the middle of the earth. They both behave in different ways, so it's difficult to understand how they can be the same thing.

Actually, I've just realised that's a very bad example. But they are very different, even if I did give a bad example.
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Pocahawtness 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 9:53 
引用自 Xero_Daxter
The thing is that anything with mass has gravity. Even I have gravity but not as much as Nick Avocado.
What I find fascinating is that gravity affects things at an infinite distance. The gravity of your body is having a minute effect on the trajectory of every atom of matter in the universe, and vice-versa.


Yep, you are connected to the Universe in ways that many people don't comprehend. Maybe those spiritualist types are right!
St✩rlight (已封禁) 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 10:02 
king james this isn't a religious thread please try to keep in factually consistent. TY.
BRRT 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 10:44 
it ain't gravity. what a fairytale. your body is heavier than air, so you swim in it.
Auraplayer (Stir Crazy) 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 10:53 
Dr. Albert Einstein did ask the same question when he was still in a gymnasium institution to one of the teachers there, if I recall, but it's worded differently. Here's an approximation of his question:
"Presuming that Newton's laws of gravity apply to all things in the universe, let's say that there's a ball floating in the emptiness of space. If there is no other object that would gravitationally interact with the ball, will the ball keep floating to the vast emptiness to all eternity or if there is something in Newton's laws that might require some amendments to factor in the flaws that this hypothetical situation manifests?"
talemore 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 10:58 
Dr. Albert Einstein did ask the same question when he was still in a gymnasium institution to one of the teachers there, if I recall, but it's worded differently. Here's an approximation of his question:
"Presuming that Newton's laws of gravity apply to all things in the universe, let's say that there's a ball floating in the emptiness of space. If there is no other object that would gravitationally interact with the ball, will the ball keep floating to the vast emptiness to all eternity or if there is something in Newton's laws that might require some amendments to factor in the flaws that this hypothetical situation manifests?"

It's hard for the object to fall into something when there is nothing to fall into.
talemore 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:04 
Beyond the universe there be no object able to move anything that time doesn't exist outside of the universe
Auraplayer (Stir Crazy) 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:04 
引用自 talemore
Dr. Albert Einstein did ask the same question when he was still in a gymnasium institution to one of the teachers there, if I recall, but it's worded differently. Here's an approximation of his question:
"Presuming that Newton's laws of gravity apply to all things in the universe, let's say that there's a ball floating in the emptiness of space. If there is no other object that would gravitationally interact with the ball, will the ball keep floating to the vast emptiness to all eternity or if there is something in Newton's laws that might require some amendments to factor in the flaws that this hypothetical situation manifests?"

It's hard for the object to fall into something when there is nothing to fall into.
Well yes, if the hypothetical situation is true, but that's theoretical physics for you. However, since the observable universe is filled with stuff and "not-stuff", which the latter is the mysterious dark matter/energy that is said to influence the contraction and expansion of the universe, gravity is ever-present in the pockets of the universe where gravity's influence is most prevalent, keeping baryonic and non-baryonic matter as close as allowed.

After all, gravity is a unique force of nature unlike electromagnetism and nuclear forces, as I recall that gravity and the rest of the forces of nature can exist independently, but at this point, I would have to be an utter academia freak with a Ph.D in theoretical physics to assert that with some degree of certainty, so I'll have to hold that thought until some egghead at any prominent university in the world can prove that. :cozycrashfish:
ShadowShifterMarlith 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:11 
引用自 Munithe EXT
What if it is all just magnetism. Just a bunch of electrons pushing and pulling.



What if Gravity doesn't exist?

Well then I wouldn't be laughing at you right now, but I am... oO
talemore 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:17 
引用自 talemore

It's hard for the object to fall into something when there is nothing to fall into.
Well yes, if the hypothetical situation is true, but that's theoretical physics for you. However, since the observable universe is filled with stuff and "not-stuff", which the latter is the mysterious dark matter/energy that is said to influence the contraction and expansion of the universe, gravity is ever-present in the pockets of the universe where gravity's influence is most prevalent, keeping baryonic and non-baryonic matter as close as allowed.

After all, gravity is a unique force of nature unlike electromagnetism and nuclear forces, as I recall that gravity and the rest of the forces of nature can exist independently, but at this point, I would have to be an utter academia freak with a Ph.D in theoretical physics to assert that with some degree of certainty, so I'll have to hold that thought until some egghead at any prominent university in the world can prove that. :cozycrashfish:

Gravity is how we explain the effect and not the cause. Gravity is not not the cause of the effect otherwise gravity could simply be existing without a planet and the idea of us living on a planet is just an alternative to be living on a floating cloud of gravity pulls. This way with help of gravity pulls space monsters would be possible living in a pocket of floating water with help of gravity pulls keeping the water in one place.

The water itself isn't spreading out to the edges of the universe since space is consisting of something. Mass want to occupy the vacuum. We may as well be surrounded by mass and the universe is a pocket inside endless mass and the universe deteriorate the mass into space and we're in the center of a burning globe of fire where the energy created causes gravity spreading in every direction toward the center
Auraplayer (Stir Crazy) 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:29 
引用自 talemore
Well yes, if the hypothetical situation is true, but that's theoretical physics for you. However, since the observable universe is filled with stuff and "not-stuff", which the latter is the mysterious dark matter/energy that is said to influence the contraction and expansion of the universe, gravity is ever-present in the pockets of the universe where gravity's influence is most prevalent, keeping baryonic and non-baryonic matter as close as allowed.

After all, gravity is a unique force of nature unlike electromagnetism and nuclear forces, as I recall that gravity and the rest of the forces of nature can exist independently, but at this point, I would have to be an utter academia freak with a Ph.D in theoretical physics to assert that with some degree of certainty, so I'll have to hold that thought until some egghead at any prominent university in the world can prove that. :cozycrashfish:

Gravity is how we explain the effect and not the cause. Gravity is not not the cause of the effect otherwise gravity could simply be existing without a planet and the idea of us living on a planet is just an alternative to be living on a floating cloud of gravity pulls. This way with help of gravity pulls space monsters would be possible living in a pocket of floating water with help of gravity pulls keeping the water in one place.

The water itself isn't spreading out to the edges of the universe since space is consisting of something. Mass want to occupy the vacuum. We may as well be surrounded by mass and the universe is a pocket inside endless mass and the universe deteriorate the mass into space and we're in the center of a burning globe of fire where the energy created causes gravity spreading in every direction toward the center
Indeed, yes. Which is why theoretical physicists are busting their heads together to figure out how to unify the force of nature that is gravity with the rest of the other forces. While most of the forces of nature are already figured out and easy to integrate, gravity is the only force of nature that still requires its own set of theoretical assumptions to work with the rest. Besides, gravity is very good at explaining phenomena of the very very big objects of the universe, while the rest are very good at explaining the very very small objects.

The late Stephen Hawking is indeed correct with rescinding his opinion on the possibility of mankind discovering the "Theory of Everything" within a short timeframe in the existence of known modern physics that will help explain gravity and the rest of the forces of nature in a standardized set of rules and assumptions. :cozycrashfish:
Abaddon the Despoiler 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:34 
Dark matter produces gravity too.
Auraplayer (Stir Crazy) 2023 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:35 
Dark matter produces gravity too.
Yeah, but apart from the gravity signature that it emits, we can't say what it's made of. Dark energy, meanwhile, makes the power of gravity weak and stretchy by comparison. :cozycrashfish:
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