Lawlessness in USA.

[SmudgyRotter]

I thought that USA is a first world country, but most places are now worse than third world countries, people can just run and loot a store during broad daylight :(

So, from where you live, do people do bad thing like that? Running, looting, robbing in broad daylight, without any consequence? Is there lawlessness at level like some USA’s places?

[Chaosolous]

It’s largely propaganda.

Violent crimes are down in general.

Buy a gun if you’re scurred.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originalmente postado por Chaosolous:

It’s largely propaganda.

Violent crimes are down in general.

Buy a gun if you’re scurred.

No... violent crimes are up... sure it's NYC and Chicago... but it's mostly Washington, Oregon, and California... it's not "propaganda" it's facts.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Originalmente postado por Chaosolous:

It’s largely propaganda.

Violent crimes are down in general.

Buy a gun if you’re scurred.

Imagine telling a victim "uhm akshually its propaganda"

[saturn1]

I mean the United States just their single states are often bigger than whole countries. Some places I have lived had next to no crime others were full of crime.Like many countries though theres places to avoid and places youll pretty much always be fine.

[Chaosolous]

Originalmente postado por Sir Seanicus, Esq.:

Originalmente postado por Chaosolous:

It’s largely propaganda.

Violent crimes are down in general.

Buy a gun if you’re scurred.

Imagine telling a victim "uhm akshually its propaganda"

I didn’t say there’s no crime. There’s crime. It’s just not up like everyone thinks it is.

Again, go buy a gun if you’re afraid to go out.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/

There’s many points of data in there. I can find more sources if you’re made of skepticism.

Decade over decade, violent crime is down.

Edit: Well I’ll be damned. I brought data and no one wants to discuss anymore? Odd.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

I live in a small town in a very progressive state fortunately we're small town enough that we wouldn't stand for the "progressive" views on crime.

[Adversary]

Originalmente postado por SmudgyRotter:

I thought that USA is a first world country, but most places are now worse than third world countries, people can just run and loot a store during broad daylight :(

So, from where you live, do people do bad thing like that? Running, looting, robbing in broad daylight, without any consequence? Is there lawlessness at level like some USA’s places?

First world just means they took part in the Cold War. Third world nations are ones that didn't take part in the Cold War.

That being said, eh, stop voting for people that are soft on crime and tough on your wallet. Also, exercise your Second Amendment rights in a lawful manner. Which will be easier given that the Bruin decision has lit the match which will inevitably put the kibash to the NFA and the ATF.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Originalmente postado por ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ:

Originalmente postado por SmudgyRotter:

I thought that USA is a first world country, but most places are now worse than third world countries, people can just run and loot a store during broad daylight :(

So, from where you live, do people do bad thing like that? Running, looting, robbing in broad daylight, without any consequence? Is there lawlessness at level like some USA’s places?

First world just means they took part in the Cold War. Third world nations are ones that didn't take part in the Cold War.

That being said, eh, stop voting for people that are soft on crime and tough on your wallet. Also, exercise your Second Amendment rights in a lawful manner. Which will be easier given that the Bruin decision has lit the match which will inevitably put the kibash to the NFA and the ATF.

Problem is, a lot of places where this ♥♥♥♥ is happening are very anti 2A.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Originalmente postado por Sir Seanicus, Esq.:

Originalmente postado por Chaosolous:

I didn’t say there’s no crime. There’s crime. It’s just not up like everyone thinks it is.

Again, go buy a gun if you’re afraid to go out.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/

There’s many points of data in there. I can find more sources if you’re made of skepticism.

Decade over decade, violent crime is down.

Edit: Well I’ll be damned. I brought data and no one wants to discuss anymore? Odd.

This was never a discussion lol.

Additionally, how soulless and sad you must be. "MUH DATA!" Yeah, that's gonna help. When a victim is on a hospital bed or a metal slab at a morgue. Just be sure to tell them the data...I'm sure you'll get far lol.

Something to take into account, some place like Pew Research only gets data from the police, and there's been a massive fund to defund said police. There's also progressive cities that allow lawlessness like we see in San Fran where criminals will bring a giant black bag for all the stuff they're going to steal without the police or security guards actually doing anything...what's more we also see cases like that recent shop owner who attacked the criminal with a stick and the progressive city wanted to go after the store owner with a stick instead of the criminal.

While I tend to agree that violent crime had....HAD been going down, I don't think that's the case any longer, I think there's a massive under-reporting problem. Remember woke people say it's racist to call the cops depending on your skin color.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ARdq6nqxEW4


Also simply saying "buy a gun" is great advice, but some of these places are very progressive and have all but outlawed firearm ownership for lawful citizens, the criminal elements still have guns, look at Chicago.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originalmente postado por Chaosolous:

Originalmente postado por Sir Seanicus, Esq.:

Imagine telling a victim "uhm akshually its propaganda"

I didn’t say there’s no crime. There’s crime. It’s just not up like everyone thinks it is.

Again, go buy a gun if you’re afraid to go out.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/

There’s many points of data in there. I can find more sources if you’re made of skepticism.

Decade over decade, violent crime is down.

Edit: Well I’ll be damned. I brought data and no one wants to discuss anymore? Odd.

You want data?... I can show you data... just because it fell a little doesn't mean it's not up overall

" Even if homicide rates were to fall back to pre-pandemic levels, the 2019 homicide rate was still 15% higher than in 2014, the lowest level recorded since World War II. Gun assaults (+39%), aggravated assaults (+8%), and robberies (+2%) also remained higher in the first half of 2023 compared to the first half of 2019... "

You just can't look at 2022 - 2023 for a slight decline... and ignore the overall rise the past decade

https://counciloncj.org/homicide-other-violent-crimes-decline-in-u-s-cities-but-remain-above-pre-pandemic-levels/

Edit: Not to mention 2023 isn't over yet... it STILL might be above 2022 by the time the numbers are in in 2024...

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Originalmente postado por Snow ☯:

Originalmente postado por Sir Seanicus, Esq.:

This was never a discussion lol.

Additionally, how soulless and sad you must be. "MUH DATA!" Yeah, that's gonna help. When a victim is on a hospital bed or a metal slab at a morgue. Just be sure to tell them the data...I'm sure you'll get far lol.

Something to take into account, some place like Pew Research only gets data from the police, and there's been a massive fund to defund said police. There's also progressive cities that allow lawlessness like we see in San Fran where criminals will bring a giant black bag for all the stuff they're going to steal without the police or security guards actually doing anything...what's more we also see cases like that recent shop owner who attacked the criminal with a stick and the progressive city wanted to go after the store owner with a stick instead of the criminal.

While I tend to agree that violent crime had....HAD been going down, I don't think that's the case any longer, I think there's a massive under-reporting problem. Remember woke people say it's racist to call the cops depending on your skin color.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ARdq6nqxEW4


Also simply saying "buy a gun" is great advice, but some of these places are very progressive and have all but outlawed firearm ownership for lawful citizens, the criminal elements still have guns, look at Chicago.

Yep.

Cops won't even go to calls.
People forced to bar doors/windows and live like prisoners in their own home.
Can't even get a gun reasonably due to the policies.

[tmwfte]

Originalmente postado por SmudgyRotter:

I thought that USA is a first world country...

It's impossible for the US to be anything other than a first world country.

[Chaosolous]

Originalmente postado por Sir Seanicus, Esq.:

Originalmente postado por Chaosolous:

I didn’t say there’s no crime. There’s crime. It’s just not up like everyone thinks it is.

Again, go buy a gun if you’re afraid to go out.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/

There’s many points of data in there. I can find more sources if you’re made of skepticism.

Decade over decade, violent crime is down.

Edit: Well I’ll be damned. I brought data and no one wants to discuss anymore? Odd.

This was never a discussion lol.

Additionally, how soulless and sad you must be. "MUH DATA!" Yeah, that's gonna help. When a victim is on a hospital bed or a metal slab at a morgue. Just be sure to tell them the data...I'm sure you'll get far lol.

Data be damned then? Just say you’d rather believe your own opinion then verifiable facts. It’s okay. Most people feel that way these days. We live in a post truth world.

For the record, no, I don’t care about the victims. I’m exceptionally callous and indifferent towards most horror. You’re right in the fact that I’m soulless. It doesn’t change the data though. If people drop dead or don’t, I don’t care either way.

I do care about facts though.

Fact: Year over year, decade over decade, violent crimes are down in general.

You’ll find outliers, you always will. The USA was much more dangerous in the 60’s/70’s/80’s than it is today though.

We hear more about violent crime for three reasons;

1. Cable network “news” cycles amp up concerns to keep people riled and invested. Maybe even to motivated voters (probably).

2. Telecommunications technologies make it much easier to hear about crime no where near you. Amping up rhetoric. Having access to the internet on your phone. Etc.

3. Politicians want you to feel like the world is falling apart if you don’t vote for them.

You’re acting like crime is up. It isn’t. Crime does happen though. It’s not like it’s going away. The notion that crime is getting worse though, is factually incorrect.

Crime happens. Statistically it’s trending down though.

Or just ignore the data and focus on your feelings, as most do.

Lying to the victim and telling them “oh yes the crime is up!” Won’t help them either so honestly IDK what you’re trying to get at.

I’m not here to help victims. I’m here to point out the lies being told by supplying facts and sources. Where you resorted to just name calling.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Originalmente postado por Chaosolous:

For the record, no, I don’t care about the victims. I’m exceptionally callous and indifferent towards most horror. You’re right in the fact that I’m soulless. It doesn’t change the data though. If people drop dead or don’t, I don’t care either way.

I'll pray for you.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originalmente postado por tmwfte:

Originalmente postado por SmudgyRotter:

I thought that USA is a first world country...

It's impossible for the US to be anything other than a first world country.

You think it's "improbable"... it's not "impossible"... it's slipping that way.