What About Female Gamers!?

[Lexycutable]

I'm really curious to know what is up with people disliking female gamers. I keep seeing people wondering if there are any real ones out there, but yet as a real authentic gamer I only get hated on and (very funny when this happens) discredited by my lack of lore knowledge (because for some odd reason I should know everything about everygame ever invented to be a true gamer). Not many want to acknowledge me for my modding skills and even less as an entertaining let's player (yes entertainment taste can vary). Just curious as what is the real deal? Is there something I'm not aware of? Is it simply a male dominated environment with no true place for girls? I really want to know your thoughts on this matter good or bad.

[Ishan451]

引用自 Lady Lexy xox：

I'm really curious to know what is up with people disliking female gamers.

Only immature children could possibly dislike a female gamer. The rest simply doesn't care..

I mean why would you care what gender another person is, outside of trying to find a mate.

[Lexycutable]

引用自 Amsel :D：

引用自 Dendrobates Tinctorius：

I know what you mean. The other day somebody said they like reading but when I asked them it turned out they had never read the Song of Roland, not even in translation! It's terrible how these people just expect others to accept their participation and interests without passing exams. I remember when I started gaming and it took me ten weeks of memorizing different configurations of soundcards and dos compatibility. It took another two weeks to receive my official gamer certification from the Institute of Videogame Certification,and only then would the stores sell me games. Not just anyone can play games, not just anyone can read books or watch movies. There are standards, people.

I feel this is rather distorted from what I meant to say. I'm sorry, I must have misworded my post.

You're never barred from participating in Gaming, Football, or Reading. But your status in the organization will and must be judged by other people, this is mostly done by quizing you. Entitle yourself to do these things, but do not entitle yourself to be respected as equal, though you yourself are inferior.

Without going into details I can say this is not the treatment I got and still am getting to this day. My status still remains inferior even after proving myself countless times. Plus I am still spoken to like I had an IQ of a 2 year old. Some even refuse to acknowledge my existance even though they clearly know who I am. I understand his post (and had a good laugh) as I specialize in games I love and don't realy care about those I don't... so does that not make me a gamer because I don't know about them all?

[Duckilous]

Oh no.

Not another stupid thread about female gamers getting disliked.
It's always going to end up in a flamewar and such.

[Ishan451]

引用自 Gustave5436：

引用自 Lady Lexy xox：

Is it simply a male dominated environment with no true place for girls?

To an extent, yes it is. You know a subculture's rubbish when a woman is liable to get rape/death threats just for daring to intrude on the totally macho activity of playing (or, God forbid, creating) electronic games.

Because certainly a bunch of 14 year old that don't know better and sent these threats, much like sending swat teams to peoples houses are a representative stance of the whole gaming community.

*roll eyes* Condemn the whole group over the actions of a minority, why don't you?

[Amsel :D]

引用自 Dendrobates Tinctorius：

引用自 C4Warr10r：

Try not to be an idiot. My views are the relevant scientific field, which you woud realize if you studied biology and not bulll*** as all humans are wont to do. No funding comes from telling people what they actually are, or that they have to work.

Again, this is simply biology, not a conspiracy. Apes organize themselves the same way. Why should I listen to your superior nonsense? Have you produced a society that works based upon equality? No? Then **** off, little machine, you do not yet understand your purpose, save to argue, which is part of your purpose. Come back and try again.

pan paniscus

引用自 Amsel :D：

I feel this is rather distorted from what I meant to say. I'm sorry, I must have misworded my post.

You're never barred from participating in Gaming, Football, or Reading. But your status in the organization will and must be judged by other people, this is mostly done by quizing you. Entitle yourself to do these things, but do not entitle yourself to be respected as equal, though you yourself are inferior.

There isn't a gaming organization. You can be a fan if you like it.

Yet girls still get quizzed on trivia in a way that boys are almost always exempt from. Frequently, the people doing the quizzing are themselves quite, as you'd put it, 'low status'. Take a look around for guys who've played little other than COD and Madden or whatever popular games, and ask yourself, have you ever heard them be accused of being "fake gamer guys"?

You can be a fan, but you're being entitled if you expect others to automatically welcome you into their group.

Men aren't exempt from this treatment, you clearly haven't been in enough social situations to recognize the 'quizing' that takes place, if people think you're a newbie.

"fake gamer guys"

The problem with this is that you're adding ina gender to the situation, as if it makes a real difference. I notice girls are quick to call themselves 'gamer girls', but men just call themselves 'gamers'. This addition of gender is to try and stand out from everyone else. And gives you a quick excuse to say "You're sexist!" instead of even considering the fact that you're the one who's shown yourself to be under par for the group's expectations.

Look around you every time you see a girl who plays games, whenever she calls herself a "gamer girl" she's showing that she wants to be different from just being a "gamer", this person themself creates the gap that expands into being called "not a real gamer".

Basically seperating yourself from other people, and being mad when they seperate you from them.

[Tanya Degurechaff]

someone even asked me if im a girl, i had my name stated there all along,

[Amsel :D]

引用自 Lady Lexy xox：

引用自 Amsel :D：

I feel this is rather distorted from what I meant to say. I'm sorry, I must have misworded my post.

You're never barred from participating in Gaming, Football, or Reading. But your status in the organization will and must be judged by other people, this is mostly done by quizing you. Entitle yourself to do these things, but do not entitle yourself to be respected as equal, though you yourself are inferior.

Without going into details I can say this is not the treatment I got and still am getting to this day. My status still remains inferior even after proving myself countless times. Plus I am still spoken to like I had an IQ of a 2 year old. Some even refuse to acknowledge my existance even though they clearly know who I am. I understand his post (and had a good laugh) as I specialize in games I love and don't realy care about those I don't... so does that not make me a gamer because I don't know about them all?

You just said that "you don't know about games at all", this is obviously the source of divide.

If you use a mic, remember that men are constantly insulted if they don't have a good voice. So it might not be your gender they're insulting.

If you don't know about gaming, don't call yourself a gamer.

I'm not speaking with any malice. I'm simply stating that you must conform to groups, and not expect them to capitulate for your sake.

[Dendrobates Tinctorius]

引用自 Amsel :D：

You can be a fan, but you're being entitled if you expect others to automatically welcome you into their group.

What group?

引用自 Amsel :D：

Men aren't exempt from this treatment,

They don't experience it to the same degree that... well, heck, read this thread. Notice all the posts about how women just want attention?

引用自 Amsel :D：

"fake gamer guys"

The problem with this is that you're adding ina gender to the situation, as if it makes a real difference. I notice girls are quick to call themselves 'gamer girls', but men just call themselves 'gamers'.

Yeah, it's almost as if 'gaming culture' is more welcoming of men. As if 'gamers' are assumed to be boys.

引用自 Amsel :D：

This addition of gender is to try and stand out from everyone else.

Let's assume this is true. Half the population is male. Why don't guys say they're 'gamer guys' to stand out? We'd expect at least some of them would say something like this to stand out. Unless you also assume that all gamers are male anyway.

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Amsel :D：

I'm not speaking with any malice. I'm simply stating that you must conform to groups, and not expect them to capitulate for your sake.

Yes, heaven forbid we criticise a group's ridiculous expectations. Better to focus on the woman's desire not to be treated like an idiot as the real problem.

引用自 Amsel :D：

You just said that "you don't know about games at all", this is obviously the source of divide.

No, she didn't. Read again.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

引用自 Lady Lexy xox：

Ok so let's see if I'm understanding this correctly.... If I want to be respected in the gaming comunity and on youtube I need to

1) not be myself
2) use voice changer to hide my female voice
3) not use any web cam unless I make myself look like a boy
4) change my name
5) Iliminate all evidence of me posibly being of the female gender

All this for a chance to be seen equally to guy that would be doing the same things as me.....
and this is acceptable? To think we are in 2015 :/

None of this is your fault; it's the fault of people who are uncomfortable being around various subsets of other people who exist in real life. Such as being uncomfortable being around girls.

The whole notion of gaming being to any extent a place where girls/women "shouldn't" be is a load of crap that should die in a fire. If any guy thinks that gaming should stay a "guy" thing and gives you crap for being female and playing a game, then he's an immature idiot who can't focus on gaming.

And besides, I would venture to guess that the kinds of places where you'd get guys giving girls crap for playing their games are the same places where the guys probably maintain a pretty toxic environment for themselves too -- things like being excessively competitive and uptight and unfriendly to newbies.

[Amsel :D]

引用自 Dendrobates Tinctorius：

引用自 Amsel :D：

You can be a fan, but you're being entitled if you expect others to automatically welcome you into their group.

What group?

You know what group, you're just trying to avoid the statement. You seem to catch on later in your post.

引用自 Amsel :D：

Men aren't exempt from this treatment,

引用自 Dendrobates Tinctorius：

They don't experience it to the same degree that... well, heck, read this thread. Notice all the posts about how women just want attention?

So you're saying you've never heard a man be called a "noob" or insulted at all before? Not once you've seen a man called an idiot if he doesn't know something?

引用自 Amsel :D：

"fake gamer guys"

The problem with this is that you're adding ina gender to the situation, as if it makes a real difference. I notice girls are quick to call themselves 'gamer girls', but men just call themselves 'gamers'.

引用自 Dendrobates Tinctorius：

Yeah, it's almost as if 'gaming culture' is more welcoming of men. As if 'gamers' are assumed to be boys.

'gaming culture' is just a collective. Had so many feminists not tried to inject gender into gaming, there wouldn't be as big of a deal. And yes most gamers are assumed to be boys. That's why adding in the "gamer girl" thing is a situation of trying to bend the collective to fit around you. Instead of simply calling yourself a gamer.

引用自 Amsel :D：

This addition of gender is to try and stand out from everyone else.

引用自 Dendrobates Tinctorius：

Let's assume this is true. Half the population is male. Why don't guys say they're 'gamer guys' to stand out? We'd expect at least some of them would say something like this to stand out. Unless you also assume that all gamers are male anyway.

Because 'gamers' are stereotyped as men. The same reason girls try to add in gender to stand out as a "gamer girl" proves that being a 'gamer' is stereotyped as being a man. The fact that only Women point out their gender, proves this stereotype.

And if I assumed all gamers were male, I'd just assume this thread were a joke.
You must assume that all gamers are obsessed with gender anyways.

I'm done responding, it's clear you're either a troll, or a bigot.

[Tanya Degurechaff]

i know a girl who never calls herself a "girl gamer" because there is no need to

[Amsel :D]

引用自 Touka：

[quote=Because 'gamers' are stereotyped as men. The same reason girls try to add in gender to stand out as a "gamer girl" proves that being a 'gamer' is stereotyped as being a man. The fact that only Women point out their gender, proves this stereotype.

And if I assumed all gamers were male, I'd just assume this thread were a joke.
You must assume that all gamers are obsessed with gender anyways.

I'm done responding, it's clear you're either a troll, or a bigot. [/quote]

i know a girl who never calls herself a "girl gamer" because there is no need to [/quote]

Great!
That proves the point that everyone can be a gamer. But you shouldn't try to change what being a gamer means. You're segregating others by calling yourself a "girl gamer". You're embracing equality by just being a "gamer".

This will be like if I said "I'm a Democrat Girl" while registering to vote. It's not sexist to not segregate different genders. If you do call yourself something silly like that, you are in fact the sexist one.

It sounds like you have a great friend. :D

[Dendrobates Tinctorius]

引用自 Amsel :D：

You know what group, you're just trying to avoid the statement. You seem to catch on later in your post.

That must be why I've already said there isn't a gaming organization. Anybody can be a fan. Anyone can participate. There isn't a meaningful group.

引用自 Amsel :D：

So you're saying you've never heard a man be called a "noob" or insulted at all before?

Why on earth would you think that? Seriously. How did you get to there?

引用自 Amsel :D：

'gaming culture' is just a collective. Had so many feminists not tried to inject gender into gaming, there wouldn't be as big of a deal. And yes most gamers are assumed to be boys. That's why adding in the "gamer girl" thing is a situation of trying to bend the collective to fit around you. Instead of simply calling yourself a gamer.

Ok, so you've acknowledged that gamers are assumed to be boys. Let's take a step back. Before you were saying that women are not treated differently from men, and that men get quizzed just as much as women. How do you reconcile this equal treatment with the assumption of gamers being default male?

引用自 Amsel :D：

Because 'gamers' are stereotyped as men. The same reason girls try to add in gender to stand out as a "gamer girl" proves that being a 'gamer' is stereotyped as being a man. The fact that only Women point out their gender, proves this stereotype.

And if I assumed all gamers were male, I'd just assume this thread were a joke.
You must assume that all gamers are obsessed with gender anyways.

It also proves that men and women who play games are not treated equally.

引用自 Amsel :D：

I'm done responding, it's clear you're either a troll, or a bigot.

k bye

ps no ur the bigot!!!1

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Amsel :D：

Great!
That proves the point that everyone can be a gamer. But you shouldn't try to change what being a gamer means. You're segregating others by calling yourself a "girl gamer". You're embracing equality by just being a "gamer".

This will be like if I said "I'm a Democrat Girl" while registering to vote. It's not sexist to not segregate different genders. If you do call yourself something silly like that, you are in fact the sexist one.

It sounds like you have a great friend. :D

It's your (odd) choice to see simply identifying aspects of oneself as "segregation". I would suggest pulling the claws in a bit, and opening yourself to the possibility that it's actually about the celebration of diversity, and the esteem-building choice to reject having to hide aspects of yourself.

You yourself have acknowledged that a woman who doesn't hide their gender will be assumed to be a man, and yet you're simultaneously attacking women who dare to point out that they're women. You are actively helping to reinforce a no-win situation for women in gaming.

And why? What do we even get out of your way of doing things? I guess not accepting anyone who defines themselves by any other attribute than their game-playing habits (crazy, right?) is a certain mental convenience. I don't think it's particularly healthy though; strikes me as more like putting your head in the sand than standing up for equality. The last thing the gaming community needs is to encourage itself to be even more insular.