Ethical Billionaires?

[Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

I have heard that there's no ethical billionaires, and there's a lot to support this claim but apparently Taylor Swift is a billionaire and the most unethical thing that I know of that she does is use a private jet, which is bad for the environment but isn't exactly denying people healthcare or getting employees killed in warehouses through unsafe working conditions so...

I think maybe she acts as a decent counter-example to the general sentiment of the claim, no?

Discuss the concept further.
I want more to consider on this subject matter.

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

I have heard that there's no ethical billionaires, and there's a lot to support this claim but apparently Taylor Swift is a billionaire and the most unethical thing that I know of that she does is use a private jet, which is bad for the environment but isn't exactly denying people healthcare or getting employees killed in warehouses through unsafe working conditions so...

I think maybe she acts as a decent counter-example to the general sentiment of the claim, no?

Discuss the concept further.
I want more to consider on this subject matter.

Gabe Newell.

Though I do wish he'd pay more attention to who's handling the day-to-day running of the customers' online community that he's sponsoring.

[Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Part of what's notable about the Taylor Swift example is that many of the people who say
"there are no ethical billionaires" would probably agree with her political stances, yet she seemingly acts as a counterpoint to the statement.

Gabe Newell on the other hand has remained neutral, as far as I'm aware, though.
Therefore using him as a counter-example doesn't create a juxtaposition where there's a contradiction between what some people claim to believe and who they claim to believe in.

[Apollo702]

She has neither sang nor written her own songs for at least a decade.

She charges full price for her concerts while defrauding them with lip-synchs.

[Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Originally posted by Apollo702:

She has neither sang nor written her own songs for at least a decade. ...

Who's singing when she's on stage? Are the writers at least being well-compensated?

Originally posted by Apollo702:

... She charges full price for her concerts while defrauding them with lip-synchs.

If you appreciate a bowl of fruit sitting on a table that you're not going to eat from because you're there to watch and listen, not eat ...then does it matter if they're wax fruits?

Like, even if that's true ...why are such large amounts of people still paying for her concerts?
Wouldn't the word get around that there's a quality issue in the experience if that were both true and mattered?
People are choosing to pay at the rates that they are, without deception, as far as I'm aware.

[Swarmfly]

There will always be the haves that the have-nots will resent no matter what they do.

[Mina]

theres none

[Apollo702]

Do a search for her being caught faking it.

See her mouth not moving and the mic nowhere near her and the robot keeps bellowing the vocals that clearly are not her real voice out.

And why don't people turn away?

America currently has 3 cult leaders: A lifelong criminal, a modern Howard Hughes and a lip-syncher.

The very definition of being in a cult is when people know it's bad for them and they still don't leave.

[salamander]

i fantasise sometimes about being as wealthy as elon musk, all the good you could do. and i do not necessarily mean even just solving crises, but just doing random acts of kindness. buying toys for every child in a childrens hospital, funding an adoption program for animals or funding a nature reserve. donating ludicrous amounts of food and medicine and clothes to shelters and treatment clinics.

gary sinise (the actor) regularly spends large amounts of money to take children of fallen soldiers to disney just out of kindness.

i will never understand becoming rich and not desiring to do such things.

[Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Originally posted by Swarmfly:

There will always be the haves that the have-nots will resent no matter what they do.

When you understand how Amazon warehouses are run and how their policies get their employees killed at high rates that are unnecessary, it doesn't really seem like people resent or criticize Jeff Bezos for no reason.

I think examples like that are what people have in mind when they say
"there are no ethical billionaires", though, and as a result, they may be making the statement with tunnel vision and missing decent counter-examples that to varying degrees, disprove the claim. That's not to say that billionaires aren't frequently unethical - they are ...but maybe some of them are actually ethical, which is hard to grasp because like... how do you get that much wealth without doing some unethical things along the way in order to get there?

...and if there are counter-examples then...
what's a more accurate way to define where the issue lay?
This is the sort of question that has me asking what people's thoughts are on this, because it's a nice sounding statement but if there are valid counter-examples then it's not an accurate one.

[Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Originally posted by Apollo702:

Do a search for her being caught faking it.

See her mouth not moving and the mic nowhere near her and the robot keeps bellowing the vocals that clearly are not her real voice out.
...

She's still putting on a performance isn't she?

Like, I suppose there may be some people who see what you're saying and are unhappy with it but it seems like if it's actually happening then more people should realize.

Furthermore, disappointing people with a performance isn't exactly causing harm...

Originally posted by salamander:

i fantasise sometimes about being as wealthy as elon musk, all the good you could do. and i do not necessarily mean even just solving crises, but just doing random acts of kindness. buying toys for every child in a childrens hospital, funding an adoption program for animals or funding a nature reserve. donating ludicrous amounts of food and medicine and clothes to shelters and treatment clinics.

gary sinise (the actor) regularly spends large amounts of money to take children of fallen soldiers to disney just out of kindness.

i will never understand becoming rich and not desiring to do such things.

They're probably disincentivized to due to the inevitable cases where people will say that they're supposedly just doing it for attention.

But yeah, I've always wanted to be able to just give a Care Bear to every sick and lonely kid in a hospital before. I've never had the means to do it even just once, though.
Billionaires on the other hand have enough money that they could be doing it once a year for Christmas.

[salamander]

Originally posted by Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

They're probably disincentivized to due to the inevitable cases where people will say that they're supposedly just doing it for attention.

But yeah, I've always wanted to be able to just give a Care Bear to every sick and lonely kid in a hospital before. I've never had the means to do it even just once, though.
Billionaires on the other hand have enough money that they could be doing it once a year for Christmas.

even if they were 100% doing it for attention and to look good, i would still be 100% for it. the good that they would do would heavily outweigh any silly reasons they did the good acts in the first place.

can you imagine how fun it would be to be that rich and be buying thousands of toys for children for christmas? or how good it would feel to donate millions to cancer research? some rich folk do such things, most do not.

[Moogal]

She sure loves burning fossil fuel thats for sure

[Houseman]

Originally posted by Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

That's not to say that billionaires aren't frequently unethical - they are ...but maybe some of them are actually ethical, which is hard to grasp because like... how do you get that much wealth without doing some unethical things along the way in order to get there?

The question itself is the argument from ignorance fallacy. You don't know how these billionaires are unethical. You're asking, "how aren't they?" You're assuming they're unethical to begin with, without any evidence.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Here are your ethical billionaires using lifelong child molester as puppet to push for tax cuts, removing environmental regulations, influencing stock markets for insider trading and distracting the public:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFfD1v5drZE

[Ｋiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Here are your ethical billionaires using lifelong child molester as puppet to push for tax cuts, removing environmental regulations, influencing stock markets for insider trading and distracting the public:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFfD1v5drZE

Did Taylor Swift and Gabe Newell really do all of that?

Didn't Taylor Swift say that she was against all of those things last year?