Are membrane keyboards really that bad for gaming?

Nomad 2021年2月15日 6時53分

It can read multiple simultaneous inputs so I guess it is good for gaming if you need to do 3 things at the same time I guess. It's more for typing than gaming though.

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shoopy 2021年2月15日 6時53分

B-B-Boomer Gaming の投稿を引用：
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It's analog. This is why I disagree with you, because you're not exactly knowledgeable.
It doesn´t make sense for a keyboard to be analog, because You either press the button or not. There´s no need to press it harder or softer to have e.g. a light letter or a bold letter. Second: everything inside the PC, laptop or console is digital, because it needs to be translated into binaries that the processor can handle it. On and off - digital - even if the input may be analog. A mouse or a joysticks works digital too, even if the input is analog. Of course in that way any keyboard or button on a gamepad is analog too, because You press buttons - but that´s not how it works. The analog part there are Your movements, which can be divided infinitely on a given length. That´s impossible for a computer to process, because it´s actions at a time are finite.

The keyboard controller is analog in the sense that it instantly relays what key is pressed without having to compare a matrix to a key map. Or something like that.

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Triple G 2021年2月15日 7時26分

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The keyboard controller is analog in the sense that it instantly relays what key is pressed without having to compare a matrix to a key map. Or something like that.

Probably like any mechanical keyboard. This is not about analog or digital - but i can guess that this is the "fully analog signal processing". :o)

TRASH の投稿を引用：
It can read multiple simultaneous inputs so I guess it is good for gaming if you need to do 3 things at the same time I guess. It's more for typing than gaming though.

Like any mechanical keyboard and most rubberdome keyboards. If You run forward, strafe left and jump You have 4 buttons pressed at the same time - and that always worked for me - even before "Anti-ghosting" on a rubberdome keyboard. You don´t need simultaneous inputs for typing, because You want the letters in a particular order - somehow for me that is some downside, because with a mechanical keyboard they´re in the wrong order more often than with a rubberdome keyboard. This is adresses gamers - usually gamers with around 105 fingers on one hand.

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✪ Klean 2021年2月15日 7時27分

mechanical keyboards are better

#94

Nomad 2021年2月15日 7時31分

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Probably like any mechanical keyboard.

I'm not sure what you mean, most mechanical keyboards are digital.

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Triple G 2021年2月15日 7時34分

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I'm not sure what you mean, most mechanical keyboards are digital.

I said that before - but if You insist: let´s say Yours is fully analog...

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shoopy 2021年2月15日 7時35分

B-B-Boomer Gaming の投稿を引用：
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The keyboard controller is analog in the sense that it instantly relays what key is pressed without having to compare a matrix to a key map. Or something like that.
Probably like any mechanical keyboard. This is not about analog or digital - but i can guess that this is the "fully analog signal processing". :o)
TRASH の投稿を引用：
It can read multiple simultaneous inputs so I guess it is good for gaming if you need to do 3 things at the same time I guess. It's more for typing than gaming though.
Like any mechanical keyboard and most rubberdome keyboards. If You run forward, strafe left and jump You have 4 buttons pressed at the same time - and that always worked for me - even before "Anti-ghosting" on a rubberdome keyboard. You don´t need simultaneous inputs for typing, because You want the letters in a particular order - somehow for me that is some downside, because with a mechanical keyboard they´re in the wrong order more often than with a rubberdome keyboard. This is adresses gamers - usually gamers with around 105 fingers on one hand.

Look up how a keyboard matrix works.

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Triple G 2021年2月15日 7時40分

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Look up how a keyboard matrix works.

It´s ok - i just came here because of the difference between analog and digital.

Oh and for the thread: no - membrane keyboards are also good for gaming. It´s a question of personal preference. Both have pros and cons.

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Autumn_ 2021年2月15日 7時57分

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I looked up the keyboard, no where does it state it has any type of analog switches, and it uses USB, so it's digital.
It's analog. This is why I disagree with you, because you're not exactly knowledgeable.

I've read several reviews, Cherrys own page, and there is nothing that claims or states that it's analog.

So could you cite your source?

TRASH の投稿を引用：
idk it just says it has fully analog signal processing.

Marketing feature for the most part in keyboards and mice.
Using an analog signal for just the switch to controller, but at the end of the day it will only be on/off, which is digital.

There are few true analog keyboards (which functions like a controller joystick on every keypress), but the signal, from controller to computer is still digital.

The only analog port I know of on a computer is 3.5mm audio Jack.

TRASH の投稿を引用：
It's the fastest keyboard in the world or at least was in 2015 idk now. It has 1MS debounce delay compared to 20 MS for most mechanical keyboards. It has nothing to do with the pressure on the key, it's not like an analog joystick.

Analog switches don't need debounce delay.
It's not 'the fastest keyboard', that would be Razers huntsman with (real) analog optical switches.

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It's the fastest keyboard in the world or at least was in 2015 idk now. It has 1MS debounce delay compared to 20 MS for most mechanical keyboards. It has nothing to do with the pressure on the key, it's not like an analog joystick.
The debounce is because of the spring and the way the button has from being fully pressed to be fully released again - no? On most mechanical keyboards You don´t need to press the button fully down to get an input. And for that to work - or to be a real argument You need to be able to press the button faster than 50 times per second, because that would be the translation of 20 ms. Like i said: they label anything on it if people will buy it because of it.

Debounce cuts signal on button push to prevent jitters and misclicks.
Because it's metal, it will vibrate and spring around, sometimes activating 2, 3, or more times.
So it waits (x ms) for the metal to seat properly before registering.
Almost all keyboards and mice do it.

But yeah, it does add latency, but it doesn't really effect anyone.

TRASH の投稿を引用：
It can read multiple simultaneous inputs so I guess it is good for gaming if you need to do 3 things at the same time I guess. It's more for typing than gaming though.

Just like every other decent keyboard.
N-key rollover is nothing special.

It's marketed toward gamers, not typists.

TRASH の投稿を引用：
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Probably like any mechanical keyboard.
I'm not sure what you mean, most mechanical keyboards are digital.

Yes, so is yours.

B-B-Boomer Gaming の投稿を引用：
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I'm not sure what you mean, most mechanical keyboards are digital.
I said that before - but if You insist: let´s say Yours is fully analog...

Nah, it's not even close. Uses the same gimmick as my mouse.
Unless my mouse is full analog too lmaoooo.

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Nomad 2021年2月15日 8時01分

At least you admit they are gimmicky now.

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Autumn_ 2021年2月15日 9時20分

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At least you admit they are gimmicky now.

I said 'analog processing' (while still being digital) is a gimmick. Not that mech keyboards are a gimmick.

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Nomad 2021年2月15日 9時47分

I have a number of keyboards some Mechanical and some rubber dome, they're all pretty gimmicky tbh. I guess only the cheap £5 ones aren't really gimmicky in some way.

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kyew 2021年2月15日 15時12分

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I've never heard of mechanical keyboards being spill resistant. Mine is out of action for 3 days if I spill any water on it. I never had that problem with a rubber dome kb.
Because of the rubber dome - fluids can´t get through it and most of the time the connections inside the keyboard are safe. It´s like some mat which is beneath the keys. If You want to shorten the time out of action You could remove the keys and dry it with a hair dryer or something like that. Fluids and electricity usually won´t work together very well. Perhaps there are spill resistant mechanical keyboards - but then again spill resistant is a somehow vague expression, but if it works if some drop of water from a certain angle at a certain speed doesn´t harm the keyboard - You label it spill resistant. Better more selling arguments than less...

Here's a trick that works for wet cell phones too: Wrap the keyboard in paper towels and cover it completely with rice. With a cell phone, you don't need to wrap it, just stick it in a bowl of uncooked rice. The rice will absorb the moisture from it in no time.

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kyew 2021年2月15日 15時13分

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Because of the rubber dome - fluids can´t get through it and most of the time the connections inside the keyboard are safe. It´s like some mat which is beneath the keys. If You want to shorten the time out of action You could remove the keys and dry it with a hair dryer or something like that. Fluids and electricity usually won´t work together very well. Perhaps there are spill resistant mechanical keyboards - but then again spill resistant is a somehow vague expression, but if it works if some drop of water from a certain angle at a certain speed doesn´t harm the keyboard - You label it spill resistant. Better more selling arguments than less...

Only thing I have to say is that I have a friend that is an electrician and he said that you should never use "heat" to dry electronics. Can't remember why tho...

Plastic bag and uncooked rice is the best, by him, a electrician™. :P

Ha! Maybe I should have read the other posts first...

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Triple G 2021年2月15日 15時18分

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Here's a trick that works for wet cell phones too: Wrap the keyboard in paper towels and cover it completely with rice. With a cell phone, you don't need to wrap it, just stick it in a bowl of uncooked rice. The rice will absorb the moisture from it in no time.

And the good thing about that: If You again wrap the keyboard with some foil - and put it into boiling water: You´ll have a real gamers meal. Just add some sweet and sour sauce. And if You eat it with those sticks out of the keyboard: It´s perfect training for a better hand-eye coordination.

I usually just use the rice trick with those salt shakers. ;o)

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