Are membrane keyboards really that bad for gaming?

[Alastor's Alibi]

Ofc mechanical keyboards are better, but are membrane keyboards (the good ones ofc) absolute trash when it comes to gaming?

[Autumn_]

Originalmente postado por TRASH:

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

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I have a k50 which feels more like a mechanical than a membrane. And I find mechanicals gimmicky. Also cheap mechanicals are crappy and I wouldn't trust any switches that aren't cherry. Also I have a Cherry MX Board 6.0 which is an analogue board, not digital.

Cheap mechs are better than membrane.

Cherry switches are TRASH. Out dated tooling (rough plastic moulds, potted copper leafs, results in scratchy switches.)
Outemu are similar to cherry quality, Kailh are one of the top two, Gateron are the best.

I've never read about that keyboard, so I can't say.
But if it has USB input, its digital.

Originalmente postado por Walach:

Originalmente postado por B-B-Boomer Gaming:

Because of the rubber dome - fluids can´t get through it and most of the time the connections inside the keyboard are safe. It´s like some mat which is beneath the keys. If You want to shorten the time out of action You could remove the keys and dry it with a hair dryer or something like that. Fluids and electricity usually won´t work together very well. Perhaps there are spill resistant mechanical keyboards - but then again spill resistant is a somehow vague expression, but if it works if some drop of water from a certain angle at a certain speed doesn´t harm the keyboard - You label it spill resistant. Better more selling arguments than less...

Only thing I have to say is that I have a friend that is an electrician and he said that you should never use "heat" to dry electronics. Can't remember why tho...

Plastic bag and uncooked rice is the best, by him, a electrician™. :P

Depends what electronic you're drying. Though most things should be fine. A hair dryer wouldn't get hot enough to damage most things.

Only thing I can really think that what is an immediate threat to is sensors (like mice, or in phones.)

[Triple G]

Originalmente postado por Walach:

Only thing I have to say is that I have a friend that is an electrician and he said that you should never use "heat" to dry electronics. Can't remember why tho...

Plastic bag and uncooked rice is the best, by him, a electrician™. :P

Perhaps because some cable sheath or some solder joint could melt down, but i don´t think a common hair dryer will produce that much heat, because You will move it around a lot and not dry the same spot all the time.

[Nomad]

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

Cheap mechs are better than membrane.

Cherry switches are TRASH. Out dated tooling (rough plastic moulds, potted copper leafs, results in scratchy switches.)
Outemu are similar to cherry quality, Kailh are one of the top two, Gateron are the best.

I've never read about that keyboard, so I can't say.
But if it has USB input, its digital.

Disagree.

[Autumn_]

Originalmente postado por B-B-Boomer Gaming:

Originalmente postado por Walach:

Only thing I have to say is that I have a friend that is an electrician and he said that you should never use "heat" to dry electronics. Can't remember why tho...

Plastic bag and uncooked rice is the best, by him, a electrician™. :P

Perhaps because some cable sheath or some solder joint could melt down, but i don´t think a common hair dryer will produce that much heat, because You will move it around a lot and not dry the same spot all the time.

Solder melts at around 200c+, no hair dryer will produce that much heat.
And plastic shielding on cables will take a lot more too.

Originalmente postado por TRASH:

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

Cheap mechs are better than membrane.

Cherry switches are TRASH. Out dated tooling (rough plastic moulds, potted copper leafs, results in scratchy switches.)
Outemu are similar to cherry quality, Kailh are one of the top two, Gateron are the best.

I've never read about that keyboard, so I can't say.
But if it has USB input, its digital.

Disagree.

To which part?

[Nomad]

All of it.

[AustrAlien2010]

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

Originalmente postado por AustrAlien2010:

If you use a microphone, it's somewhat annoying to hear you during a game, when you use a mechanical keyboard. So, you may want to use a normal membrane for gaming, because a microphone often picks up the sound mechanical keyboards make.
But if you are happy with your mechanical keyboard, then you should just use it, I think. But I am not sure if the rest of the players will think it's okay, if you're continually making sounds.

Set your microphone up properly then.

You should go tell them gamers that, when you sell them one of those "superior" keyboards.
(It's not me making the noise.)

[Autumn_]

Originalmente postado por TRASH:

All of it.

The first point, semi-subjective.
Feel wise, sure, you can disagree, though every other regard of mechs being better, you can't dispute.

Cherry switches have objectively lower quality than Gateron or Kailh.
Both of which use much better tooling and tolerances than Cherry.
Cherry may have held the patent, and produced the switches for years, doesn't mean they did it good.

I looked up the keyboard, no where does it state it has any type of analog switches, and it uses USB, so it's digital.

Originalmente postado por AustrAlien2010:

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

Set your microphone up properly then.

You should go tell them gamers that, when you sell them one of those "superior" keyboards.
(It's not me making the noise.)

I was saying it as a general statement for anyone with the same qualms with clicky switches.

[Nomad]

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

I looked up the keyboard, no where does it state it has any type of analog switches, and it uses USB, so it's digital.

It's analog. This is why I disagree with you, because you're not exactly knowledgeable.

[Triple G]

Originalmente postado por TRASH:

Originalmente postado por Autumn_:

I looked up the keyboard, no where does it state it has any type of analog switches, and it uses USB, so it's digital.

It's analog. This is why I disagree with you, because you're not exactly knowledgeable.

It doesn´t make sense for a keyboard to be analog, because You either press the button or not. There´s no need to press it harder or softer to have e.g. a light letter or a bold letter. Second: everything inside the PC, laptop or console is digital, because it needs to be translated into binaries that the processor can handle it. On and off - digital - even if the input may be analog. A mouse or a joysticks works digital too, even if the input is analog. Of course in that way any keyboard or button on a gamepad is analog too, because You press buttons - but that´s not how it works. The analog part there are Your movements, which can be divided infinitely on a given length. That´s impossible for a computer to process, because it´s actions at a time are finite.

[Nomad]

idk it just says it has fully analog signal processing.

[Triple G]

Originalmente postado por TRASH:

idk it just says it has fully analog signal processing.

Yes - like that spill resistant argument. My HOTAS says it has "powerful programming and profiling software". Absolutely powerful i guess - as powerful as any other software for that purpose - and any HOTAS nowadays has some kind of software to configure the buttons.

It could be that there are games which support "fully analog signal processing" e.g. You run faster or slower if You press "W" harder or softer. Or some piano app, in which the sound is louder or more quit. But nonetheless the "fully analog signal processing" ends if it´s translated into the digital signal. It may or may not be analog processing inside that keyboard to a certain point. It probably is - but it´s of no real use. If You need "more analog" input You would probably choose another input device. They label anything on it if people buy it. Nowadays everything has some "renewable" or "vegan" label on it - even if it was always that way - but nowadays people buy things because of that label. Like said above: better more selling arguments than less.

[Nomad]

It's the fastest keyboard in the world or at least was in 2015 idk now. It has 1MS debounce delay compared to 20 MS for most mechanical keyboards. It has nothing to do with the pressure on the key, it's not like an analog joystick.

[Triple G]

Originalmente postado por TRASH:

It's the fastest keyboard in the world or at least was in 2015 idk now. It has 1MS debounce delay compared to 20 MS for most mechanical keyboards. It has nothing to do with the pressure on the key, it's not like an analog joystick.

The debounce is because of the spring and the way the button has from being fully pressed to be fully released again - no? On most mechanical keyboards You don´t need to press the button fully down to get an input. And for that to work - or to be a real argument You need to be able to press the button faster than 50 times per second, because that would be the translation of 20 ms. Like i said: they label anything on it if people will buy it because of it.

[Nomad]

It's this.
https://hexus.net/tech/news/peripherals/79393-cherry-mx-board-60-mechanical-keyboard-debuts-realkey-tech/

[Triple G]

It maybe a good keyboard - and it may be the fastest in the world, but it also costs $219 perhaps because of that. They state "the keys are made in Germany" which is a translation for: "The rest is made in China." I mean if it´s about that. I just said that many labels are a bit misleading and may be useless in reality, or simply not needed. Those may be based on facts, but honestly- could You press a button 1000 times per second? That would be needed to make use of those 1 ms buttons. And i guess that´s the whole argument about the price - even if the keyboard itself looks like quality - and probably is a quality keyboard.