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Looking for good Dungeon Crawling game(s)
Oblivion isn't doing it for me, I want a simple merciless Dungeon-Crawling game that has allot of replayability, preferably roguelike & randomised.
I'm not creating this thread for some empty boring Triple A hand-holding game like Skyrim.

I needed to create this thread so I can get some community opinion, these top 10 websites over the internet are driving me crazy with their Triple A shilling and general lack of reputable opinion.
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Thanks, Morphic.

Lots of in-game help?

Inscriptions and macros like Angband variants have?

I know it'll be a long learning curve, as I haven't even played Angband in years, let alone ToME. And I never really got into ToME at the time, because it was far more advanced than the other variants (Zangband, PernAngband, etc...) and quite complex. I think the most complex variants I played a lot of were Sangband (skills angband) and Steamband. Now that I think about it, I think PernAngband became ToME, when McCaffrey's publisher did a Cease and Desist. That was a long time ago. Crap, I'm old.

Appreciate the info.

If by "in-game help" you mean detailed descriptions or hireable NPCs/followers; then not really. Descriptions are detailed enough that you should be able to make informed decisions but they are not enough to be able to tell how certain interactions are going to work.(E.g. Armor vs Armor Hardiness, one is flat protection and the other is how much that flat protection "actually" provides. So in some cases it's better to have tons of Armor instead of worrying about Armor Hardiness and vice versa.)

However there is an in-game chat feature that lets you chat with other players who are currently playing the game at the same time. One of the Devs or Moderators/Testers are usually on at any given time so they can answer questions. Not to mention a bunch of very knowledgeable players are willing to give advice or answer questions. I think you need to make a ToME account and link it with your Steam account to fully utilize the feature but I am unsure. You'll need to link if you want to make use of the Item Vault. (basically a stash any character can access to store/withdraw items during a run. Like when you find that godlike bow during a melee run, you can stash it for your next run. You won't start with it since you have to make it to the in-game vault first.)

I think you could do Macros but, honestly, never felt the need so don't actually know. You can set up certain contingency functions for your Talents/Useables. E.g. "Autocast Shield Rune when enemy is Visible" and stuff like that, there's also an "Auto-Explore" button that auto moves your char around to unexplored tiles and picks up dropped loot. (you'll auto stop if an enemy or hostile effect enters your LoS.)

Personally, I think ToME is extremely user friendly as there is a variety of options to tailor difficulty and customize controls. You can even turn off Permadeath entirely, lower the difficulty or mix 'n match. E.g. I first started playing on Adventure/Normal which gives you 2 lives and you earn 1 life every ~20 player levels. I now play on Roguelike/Nightmare and customized the controls to play entirely with the mouse.
Отредактировано Morphic; 11 сен. 2020 г. в 23:35
Автор сообщения: 「Genticus」
Автор сообщения: ṼṏẌṏḭḊ
If you are weighing up buying one of the two, I'd definitely recommend Qud over ToME.
I was just looking into that game, thanks for the suggestion, does it have potion/scroll consumables unlike ToME?
Yeah, it does have consumables, but they're not something that you can rely on. You can overdose on them by drinking too many and end up with debuffs or some more severe side-effects.
Автор сообщения: ṼṏẌṏḭḊ
Yeah, it does have consumables, but they're not something that you can rely on. You can overdose on them by drinking too many and end up with debuffs or some more severe side-effects.
This game sounds amazing and highly detailed, definitely going to look more into it now.
Отредактировано < Masterless >; 11 сен. 2020 г. в 23:40
Автор сообщения: 「Genticus」
Автор сообщения: ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ
I heard someone say they want roguelike recommendations. Hoo boy, this is a genre that I was practically raised on. You want recommendations? Here you go.
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I have more recommendations but these are the ones I'll leave you with for now, I was supposed to hit the sack 4 hours ago.
These would be good suggestions however I can't get neither of these games on Steam nor GOG, it's hard enough trying to find them on the internet alone.
It's not hard at all to locate things on the internet. Furthermore, some of the best games aren't on Steam, and you will deprive yourself of hours upon hours of good content by limiting yourself to one source of it. That being said, I may as well throw you a bone or two.

http://demon.ferretdev.org/ - Demon, this is both FerretDev's website and development blog.
https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/home - Infra Arcana, this is Martin Tornqvist's website and development blog. Latest downloads are available on his Github repository, which he links to there.
http://gamesofgrey.com/ - this is Darren Grey's website, which includes downloads to Gruesome and every other game he's made, the majority of them being roguelikes.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110926115405/http://www10.caro.net/dsi/decker/ - Decker, Shawn Overcash's site is only available on the Wayback Machine at this point.

Considering this genre is older than Valve itself you might want to consider checking out ArchiveRL on the Internet Archive. Type "internet archive archiverl" into Google and it should appear as the top result. Ragnarok/Valhalla are located in that, as well as on sites that host DOS games no one cares about and GOG is not platforming because it won't make CD Projekt Red money to do so.
Отредактировано Adversary; 12 сен. 2020 г. в 9:29
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It's not hard at all to locate things on the internet.
I searched the games by their title & author but nothing came up for some of them...
Автор сообщения: ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ
Considering this genre is older than Valve itself you might want to consider checking out ArchiveRL on the Internet Archive. Type "internet archive archiverl" into Google and it should appear as the top result. Ragnarok/Valhalla are located in that, as well as on sites that host DOS
I don't know how old-school they are, some of the games you suggested looks like they were around at proto-internet and released on a floppy disk. I'll checkout the internet archive, you didn't say where to find them.
Автор сообщения: ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ
games no one cares about and GOG is not platforming because it won't make CD Projekt Red money to do so.
Point taken, but I would of assumed some of them would of been available on GOG since they're more liberal to adding older games.
Anyway, thanks mate! :steamsunny:
Отредактировано < Masterless >; 12 сен. 2020 г. в 9:58
Автор сообщения: 「Genticus」
I don't know how old-schooled they are, some of the games you suggested looks like they're released on a floppy disk, I'll checkout the Archive website, I didn't know, you didn't say where to find them.

If you don't mind having ASCII graphics are finding/loading tilesets...

http://www.zincland.com/powder/index.php?pagename=about

https://cataclysmdda.org/

You can find Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead on the google play store. I tried playing on my tablet but you really need a keyboard attachment/accessory since using the virtual keyboard is painful.

POWDER is fairly fun and easy to download/run and it's literally a dungeon dive. I like their concept for Cursed items since you can get really powerful combinations. E.g. I got a Silver Sword that makes you lose 2% Total HP per turn but had 150% Lifesteal and gains +1 dmg per demon kill.

Though Cataclysm:DDA is currently my favorite Roguelike in terms of sandbox, it'd be great if it came to steam. There's basically no "winning" in that game though, just surviving. But there's just soo many things you can do... from building structures and farming to creating vehicles and cyborg limbs. A lot of fun but very challenging since you can die to pretty much anything. There's a persistent world feature which can be cool. E.g. if you die, you can find your dead char on your next run and might get that dropped equipment.(provided it wasn't eaten/taken by creatures) Though watch out if you died to a zombie since your dead char will now be a zombie too.
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Автор сообщения: Morphic
No worries dude I'll read your comment soon but don't forget Steam has an edit feature, I'm getting all your renewed posts lol. I wanted to tell you this on your Profile but I can't. :lunar2019smilingpig:

???

I have been using the edit feature for most of my posts so far lol. I did get side-tracked with another user over ToME since he wanted more info about the game and since it was already suggested I figured it'd still be on-topic.
Автор сообщения: 「Genticus」
Автор сообщения: Morphic
No worries dude I'll read your comment soon but don't forget Steam has an edit feature, I'm getting all your renewed posts lol. I wanted to tell you this on your Profile but I can't. :lunar2019smilingpig:
I literally cannot figure out what on my end was causing it and frankly at this point I don't want to bother.
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Автор сообщения: 「Genticus」
No worries dude I'll read your comment soon but don't forget Steam has an edit feature, I'm getting all your renewed posts lol. I wanted to tell you this on your Profile but I can't. :lunar2019smilingpig:

???
Don't worry about it.
Автор сообщения: ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ
Don't worry about it.

Ah, I understand now. Thanks for the clarification!

IMO, steam has gotten a bit wonky ever since the update that introduced that "comment review" thing that hides people's posts while it analyzes them or something.
Автор сообщения: Morphic
I have been using the edit feature for most of my posts so far lol. I did get side-tracked with another user over ToME since he wanted more info about the game and since it was already suggested I figured it'd still be on-topic.
That's quite alright, it must be someone else doing it then. :lunar2019piginablanket:
Автор сообщения: ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ
I literally cannot figure out what on my end was causing it and frankly at this point I don't want to bother.
Yeah I was getting like 8 notifications for this thread, I guess it's just an Off-Topic standard, anything goes I guess.
Отредактировано < Masterless >; 12 сен. 2020 г. в 10:24
Автор сообщения: Morphic
Автор сообщения: ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ
Don't worry about it.

Ah, I understand now. Thanks for the clarification!

IMO, steam has gotten a bit wonky ever since the update that introduced that "comment review" thing that hides people's posts while it analyzes them or something.
Personally I think this site has gone downhill since the discontinuation of Steam Greenlight and the implementation of the Discovery Queue. But that's just my opinion.
Автор сообщения: 「Genticus」
*snip*
I have mine off for that exact reason. Also it's doing it again and it may be a formatting issue. Largely due to your name conflicting with BBCode.
Отредактировано Adversary; 12 сен. 2020 г. в 10:27
Thanks for all the info.

One final question about ToME. Flog me if you must but: can I save-scum like I could with the 'Band variants?
Автор сообщения: 「Genticus」
I don't know how old-school they are, some of the games you suggested looks like they were around at proto-internet and released on a floppy disk.

Believe it or not, most of the games that branched from Rogue, and the branches of those, required a HDD, because of the size of the databases involved, and the frequency of reading and writing. These games aren't in memory, and wouldn't be possible on a standard 3 1/2" floppy. They are bigger and more complex than they look, at first glance.

I don't know if Rogue itself could be played on just a floppy, but ADOM, Angband, Nethack, and the rest of the branches, plus all the branches further up from those, definitely needed a HDD.
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