So the new Joker movie sucks

[Kamiyama]

https://youtu.be/0TVdTvWzr-A?si=F6GJ3y1yYZa1J_iX

It sounds like the director hated the character he made in Joker 1 and now in Joker 2 the protagonist Arthur Fleck gets beaten up, raped, and then murdered at the end of the movie. Then they have a different person cut a smile into their own face and supposedly takes his place as Heath Ledger's Joker in the Dark Knight.

I think Joker 1 is one of the best batman universe movies ever made. I love how Arthur exposes how craven and evil the rich are, and how he goes on a rampage killing them to the applause of the impoverished and downtrodden masses. He is a villain to some, but I think he is an anti-hero.

I don't think the director liked that. I think the director (being a rich person himself) never thought that the character he created would come across as an anti-hero and that members of his audience would come to love that character. Joker 2 is a retcon, his attempt at revisionist history. The director reacted in disgust to how the audience adored the Joker and is trying to erase the character he created.

I reject the revisionist history. Joker 1 will always be a cherished entry in my movie catalog. However I will not see Joker 2 and I do not accept it as canon.

In my substituted batman universe, the Joker played by Joaquin Phoenix is the same Joker as played by Heath Ledger. Arthur Fleck isn't murdered and he becomes the archnemesis of the batman when he escapes from Arkham Asylum.

Joker -> Dark Knight

Joker 2 never happened. That is my version of events.

[Bo]

Joker 1 was for sure a great movie. Just a shame they ruined what could've been an awesome series of movies.

[Kamiyama]

Originalmente postado por Why?:

Instead of taking what youtubers say about something play or watch it yourself and then form your own opinion.

I don't want to give Hollywood money for making a deliberately bad movie. I agree with the conclusion a lot of people are reaching. Joker 2 is a huge "F you" to the fans of Joker 1.

I hope this is another example where Hollywood loses money on a movie. We will see in another month or two.

[Goblin]

The joker should not be a role model, his desires are selfish and any social progress he made was coincidental and unintended. He was a mentally ill man who needed help and the system failed him as well as the caregivers in his life.

[Competizione]

Thanks for saving me 2 hours of my time OP

[talemore]

You can't copy a soul.

[Dracoco OwO]

Originalmente postado por Goblin:

The joker should not be a role model, his desires are selfish and any social progress he made was coincidental and unintended. He was a mentally ill man who needed help and the system failed him as well as the caregivers in his life.

Problem is he is not a role model, he's relatable, his story is totally something a young person can identify to by default, you can feel lost like he has and the amount of resent he had also correlate with what some peoples can feel and i did feel like that as a teen to some extent.

What's not ok is not taking in account the reception of the film and actually making things right.

[Arkham99]

Originalmente postado por Goblin:

The joker should not be a role model

The Joker has one very endearing quality, and it's one glaring absence of the Phoenix rendition... he's onto the Secret of Life... and that of course is Laughter is The Best Medicine...:-)

[Vendicator Senpai]

Originalmente postado por Goblin:

The joker should not be a role model, his desires are selfish and any social progress he made was coincidental and unintended. He was a mentally ill man who needed help and the system failed him as well as the caregivers in his life.

Yeah Carnage is a better role model

[Kamiyama]

Someone at reddit said this:

Originalmente postado por reddit:

It should have been crazy people following the Joker and the Joker discovering there is no limit to what his followers will do.

It was supposed to be about his minions and how he starts plotting around the city, with outrageous schemes throughout the film.

And he was going to find love along the way.

It could have been great. Instead they made it a musical. What the hell were they thinking!?

I agree if they had gone this direction, with Arthur Fleck becoming more and more disturbed by what his blind followers are willing to do to strike back at the system which has trampled them underfoot, it could have sent a very educational message to the audience "do not idolize people"

And then he could have been seduced by Harley Quinn, and decided to trust her, give her everything, and she would absolutely break him when he realizes she was leading him down the same terrible path of crime that his followers expected of him. He would confront her, and she would reveal she was never in love with Arthur Fleck, she always loved the Joker.

That would destroy his heart and soul, and complete his transformation. He would become the psychotic that we see in the Dark Knight.

Instead they gave us this turd of a movie. What is the message? "we don't like this character so we're going to beat him, rape him, and murder him in front of you. You should feel bad for identifying with him"

But they just created a martyr. Instead of carefully crafting a good story with an educational message, they spilled blood. Tried to kill the character they don't like, and now he's become an idea.

https://youtu.be/dhQ3AFpV52o?si=W6I4tdF1OxP22cmQ

I think Joker 1 is going to become an ironclad cult classic because they fumbled Joker 2 so bad. They lashed out instead of trying to send a message, and now the character will live in the audience's head forever.

Any future movies about the Joker will get dismissed because of Joker 2. "That's not Arthur Fleck. The Joker is Arthur Fleck, and you killed him"

[UtahGlazer3000]

I heard they turned it into a musical, I always felt that was an odd choice.

[Abaddon the Despoiler]

Originalmente postado por Chaosolous:

Who the ♥♥♥♥ thought a musical was a good idea?

Sorry about that.

[76561199559798421]

I watched the trailer and felt that in the 2 minute trailer summary i watched the whole movie.

"loser guy gets scapegoated for being a criminal, Trial puts Loser in Jail, while in Jail the loser manipulates other losers to lash out against the system. The media Creates a circus out of it, Mean while another Loser who is emotionally disconnected from reality falls in love with the media circus image of the Main Loser in the story."

They fall in love and create a even more disconnected reality of emotional dysfunction and criminal activity."

through out the whole trailer i was just waiting to see "Batman" show up and put a stop to it.

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Originalmente postado por Fake:

Originalmente postado por Why?:

Instead of taking what youtubers say about something play or watch it yourself and then form your own opinion.

Because going to the movie theater isn't free.

But it is cheap.

[Hobbit XIII]

Originalmente postado por Fake:

Originalmente postado por Why?:

Instead of taking what youtubers say about something play or watch it yourself and then form your own opinion.

Because going to the movie theater isn't free.

go to old people's home, pick anybody, let them take you to the movies.

It worked for Walter White.

[permanent name]

bunch of jonklers trying to trick people into reading op's post.

I myself have not done so yet.