Do you miss generic fantasy games?

[Tazor]

I don't mean generic fantasy in a bad way. Stuff like World of Warcraft vanilla, Oblivion, Heroes, Dark Messiah, Gothic. Where you got your classic spells, classic class archetypes, classic fantasy races, classic enemies, classic locations etc.

I played a bit of Dungeon Siege which I never played back in the day and I like the atmosphere. A reminder of the things we lost.

It feels like every fantasy game today tries to "be different" through who knows what. There is also the epidemic of Souls clones that have varying degrees of quality. I can't remember the last major title that was just a generic fantasy game.

[talemore]

Originally posted by Triple G:

Originally posted by Q-T_3.14.exe:

Is Western fantasy just a bunch of copy paste? 🤔

No - but they´re usually somehow related to each other. So basically copy paste from either Greek or Norse mythology. And then there´s DnD - while this is probably the base for most western fantasy games in one way or the other.

Where is Laser-gun fighting warriors in war with aliens and Dragons from? As example Might & Magic series. Where the aliens invade from heaven into our world and flying warriors with blaster lasers assault laser rifles fighting dragons in the sky with laser guns.

Shadowrun as well makes this as theme of how orcs entered the world. Shadowrun created the matrix.

Science fiction was fantasy.

A princess of mars green men became orcs.

Orcs = aliens.

Aliens = elves

Elves = humans

Humans = dwarves

Dwarves = orcs

[L1qu1dator]

No.

[talemore]

I'm going for a game session with a barbarian
https://youtu.be/nlvYKl1fjBI?si=XVMdE5HFfvjthAy2

[Triple G]

Originally posted by talemore:

Where is Laser-gun fighting warriors in war with aliens and Dragons from? As example Might & Magic series. Where the aliens invade from heaven into our world and flying warriors with blaster lasers assault laser rifles fighting dragons in the sky with laser guns.

Shadowrun as well makes this as theme of how orcs entered the world. Shadowrun created the matrix.

Science fiction was fantasy.

A princess of mars green men became orcs.

Orcs = aliens.

Aliens = elves

Elves = humans

Humans = dwarves

Dwarves = orcs

You have dwarves, and trolls, and elves / fairies, and giants, and dead warriors, and witches, and talking animals, and certain other supernatural beings in Norse mythology - and orcs in lord of the rings - while rings and dragons are also a thing in Norse mythology, together with shapeshifting and certain magical artifacts - and magic, while You have certain hero type of guys who go onto adventures so to speak. Either alone or as a group. And aliens are so to speak also there - as there are nine worlds. The human world - and the eight others, for the guys mentioned above. Ragnarök is basically the alien invasion, together with the flying Valkyries to lead the dead - in which all these worlds cease to exist, as everybody died or went away, but somehow a new world arises (with the old tree), and a single couple survived to get it started...

[Electric Cupcake]

Anyone else stoked for Shovel Knight DX?

It handles quirky fantasy quite well, and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

[talemore]

Originally posted by Electric Cupcake:

Anyone else stoked for Shovel Knight DX?

It handles quirky fantasy quite well, and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

I haven't played Shovel knight but it remind me of Kirby eating a knight turns into a swordman.

Loop hero is another fantasy game about creating the world. It runs mostly like a simulation than a videogame but you get to make sure the hero doesn't die, nothing happens if you die.

[talemore]

Loop hero is an example of fantasy games and seem like most is from norse mythology
https://youtu.be/lt_T8LhmnT8?si=jg_CePpZSjC196Iw


Honored mention: He-man

[talemore]

I need a He-man
https://youtu.be/81wyj65SJIo?si=6i5IyVSX3pnfGCGl

[Scurrybt]

Considering how often classic fantasy is done, especially these days with games like Baldur’s Gate 3 and Dragon’s Dogma 2, I actually like it when something different is done. Urban fantasy is a very underutilized subgenre of fantasy. Some examples of what I’m talking about includes Earthbound and Persona.

[Dracoco OwO]

Originally posted by Scurrybt:

Considering how often classic fantasy is done, especially these days with games like Baldur’s Gate 3 and Dragon’s Dogma 2, I actually like it when something different is done. Urban fantasy is a very underutilized subgenre of fantasy.

Dragon's Dogma 2 was done dirty though, most fans expected a more finished game than the first game, we ended up getting a similar product that felt rushed on some aspects like story and basically a beta test for Monster Hunter Wilds performance wise and mechanically vise (same camping mechanics), not saying the game is bad because i can tell it isn't even if i didn't play it but it is disappointing.

[Electric Cupcake]

Originally posted by talemore:

I haven't played Shovel knight but it remind me of Kirby eating a knight turns into a swordman.

That's Mr. Hat, who was more recently completely ripped off by Princess Peach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwBrXdE9qDA

[talemore]

Originally posted by Scurrybt:

Considering how often classic fantasy is done, especially these days with games like Baldur’s Gate 3 and Dragon’s Dogma 2, I actually like it when something different is done. Urban fantasy is a very underutilized subgenre of fantasy. Some examples of what I’m talking about includes Earthbound and Persona.

The shini meganisushi I call it, including pokemon/digimon.

They're a mix of walking simulator. Early games were the indigo Prophecy who used button smash minigame and an ending who you couldn't technically fail. Which makes it a true fantasy game in my book. In fact the good ending was meant to be unlocked by intention fail the last boss. But it did have game over screen and was highly influenced by the matrix.

Kingdom hearts is in this category and likewise is Final Fantasy.

Final fantasy is a Disney movie.

The movie = The Island at the top of the world.

Where they meet vikings.

So yeah. We may actually have Disney to thank for all norse mythology in fantasy games.

[talemore]

Detroit become human is a fantasy game.
https://youtu.be/QIr_XOKyah0?si=qaKnkngf2qhddurL

The spell on you make you think of humans as machines. Since you been told you are a machine that you believe in it.

The matrix was created in shadowrun who is a fantasy game.

The fantasy is to believe machines are humans or that humans are machines is a lot more complex urban fantasy.

Detroit become human is a fantasy game since even the wrong path may leads to something else.

I don’t consider games with permanent deaths as fantasy games as there's no imaginary in ending the fantasy.

[Kamiyama]

Lots of old RPG's gave you so many character customization options. MajorMUD is a online text game made in the early 90's that has 13 races and 15 classes, and they all play different from each other. There were oldschool D&D games that supported multiclassing, allowing you to mix and match whatever you wanted. That's a lot rarer these days.

I think Neverwinter Nights was the last good D&D game. BG3 does let you multiclass, but they end the game at a relatively low level, so you can't even reach the prestige classes.

ArcheAge lets you create a custom class but it is also extremely P2W which makes the endgame unfun. Supposedly ArcheAge 2 will be better and won't have the P2W mechanics.

[talemore]

The amount of classes doesn't make the game better if what you doing is becoming worse in everything that was suppose to be the class.

Otherwise you are playing multiple classes with none of the disadvantages since these classes were bad to begin with.

As example : Fighter, complete of a joke after level 10, has no task, can't do anything.
Not even useful as a meat shield as it instant dies by any boss. So they made the fighter better by making it cheat on itself by adding handicaps to the class by giving it better ranged attacks.

While cleric got everything. Even allowed to use heavy armor and shield. Has resurrection so that it can actually recover other npc once they're being instant killed.

Why instant killed? The game compensate for the pure classes who are actually working.

What your class is, an agreement to use certain skills. What games like skyrim did was remove the skill from any level system and said : You all get to be everything, now max your skills in everything. Want to have Max alchemy levels and enchantment levels and max in every single magic? Want to be so Darn OP compared to anyone else that the game has to bend its own rules in a Pay TO WIN.

For that reason classes is a concept the player made. The games who create the classes are trying to help the player from making the wrong mistake of learning all skills and end up knowing nothing.

Fighters end up pointless as armor doesn’t protect against magic. The idea that you got so many classes is because they took the monsters in the games and made them into playable characters.

Only monsters need limitations so that the player had a chance to defeat them.