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Lone Wolf Sep 26, 2024 @ 3:39pm
China bans purchase of Intel and AMD
China bans purchase of Intel and AMD processors, Microsoft Windows for government computers
China wants "safe and reliable" processors and operating systems

https://www.techspot.com/news/102379-china-bans-intel-amd-processors-microsoft-windows-government.html#:~:text=What%20just%20happened%3F%20China%20has,be%20replaced%20with%20homegrown%20alternatives.
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Axe Sep 26, 2024 @ 3:42pm 
The alternatives are just stolen from intel and AMD lmao
90054321564584560 Sep 26, 2024 @ 3:55pm 
is this payback to us ban or even more control on their citizens?
Fake Sep 26, 2024 @ 3:56pm 
Originally posted by 90054321564584560:
is this payback to us ban or even more control on their citizens?
Both.
Morkonan Sep 26, 2024 @ 6:53pm 
...The rules mean that CPUs from Intel and AMD, along with Microsoft Windows and foreign-made database software, will be replaced with homegrown alternatives. ...

Obvious move is obvious.

They are attempting to create local demand for products manufactured in and by China. Instead of controlling trade using tariffs and the like and other "Velvet Glove" means of pursuasion, they have decided to use an "Iron Fist."

This is good news, actually - It potentially acts to reduce the issues surrounding China-Taiwan problems.

TSMC, the largest chipmaker on the planet, is in Taiwan. And, China doesn't actually give a crap about Taiwan, but it does give a crap about TSMC...

So, IF China was attempting to find a position that did not include war with Taiwan, a natural progression would be to build their own high-tech ultra-capacity TSMC-Knockoff.

It's not like they don't already have all of TSMC's methods, engineering, and production, infos...


Keep in mind, other nations, like Russia, have also had similar initiatives. In the US, using a much more gentle inducement, grants and Federal support for chip manufacturers to build facilities in the US are already live and working.


Of course, the extremely high-tech lithography-like equipment all these companies use isn't manufactured or owned by or within ANY of these countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML_Holding

Anyone planning on invading The Netherlands anytime soon?
90054321564584560 Sep 26, 2024 @ 6:57pm 
Originally posted by Morkonan:
...The rules mean that CPUs from Intel and AMD, along with Microsoft Windows and foreign-made database software, will be replaced with homegrown alternatives. ...

Obvious move is obvious.

They are attempting to create local demand for products manufactured in and by China. Instead of controlling trade using tariffs and the like and other "Velvet Glove" means of pursuasion, they have decided to use an "Iron Fist."

This is good news, actually - It potentially acts to reduce the issues surrounding China-Taiwan problems.

TSMC, the largest chipmaker on the planet, is in Taiwan. And, China doesn't actually give a crap about Taiwan, but it does give a crap about TSMC...

So, IF China was attempting to find a position that did not include war with Taiwan, a natural progression would be to build their own high-tech ultra-capacity TSMC-Knockoff.

It's not like they don't already have all of TSMC's methods, engineering, and production, infos...


Keep in mind, other nations, like Russia, have also had similar initiatives. In the US, using a much more gentle inducement, grants and Federal support for chip manufacturers to build facilities in the US are already live and working.


Of course, the extremely high-tech lithography-like equipment all these companies use isn't manufactured or owned by or within ANY of these countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML_Holding

Anyone planning on invading The Netherlands anytime soon?
I think the same. Probably this ban means they will push out their own domestic chips and sell it to the world.
Rio Sep 26, 2024 @ 7:07pm 
Isn't this old news? Everyone knows the west puts backdoors in. Thats one reason a china advanced chip market is a threat.
Last edited by Rio; Sep 26, 2024 @ 7:08pm
Pierce Dalton Sep 26, 2024 @ 7:09pm 
Take notes, Putin!
secuda Sep 26, 2024 @ 7:14pm 
Sucks for chinese citezen.
Rumpelcrutchskin Sep 26, 2024 @ 7:18pm 
They probably realized that Trump is gone lose so invading Taiwan would be very bad idea.
Awaken Sep 26, 2024 @ 7:23pm 
There's widespread speculation that there is a backdoor in the Intel Platform Controller Hub on all Intel PCs since 2013. The US government spent several hundred million dollars in 2012-2013 as part of a program to "Insert vulnerabilities into commercial encryption systems, IT systems, networks, and endpoint communication devices used by targets."

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/09/05/us/documents-reveal-nsa-campaign-against-encryption.html
Morkonan Sep 26, 2024 @ 7:28pm 
Originally posted by 90054321564584560:
I think the same. Probably this ban means they will push out their own domestic chips and sell it to the world.

I think they would like to develop the capability to do that, yes. But, it's a very difficult thing to displace those that currently lead the industry.

So, they must first support demand in China to help fuel the development of that sector. That's the smart thing to do, IMO. I am not sure, however, a "ban" is the solution. That's not a "gradual" change for a complex industry that takes a long time to develop.

Which is why I mentioned Russia. They tried something similar and it failed, abysmally... I think China is more sophisticated than Russia in that regard, so they may have a better framework for this.

But it will not be an overnight success and its ultimate success remains to be seen. A lot can happen in the many years needed for it to become a major player in manufacturing its own chips/etc and to competitively export them to the world marketplace.

But, China has something few nations have - A government that can fully control and directly support industrial initiatives. They could act fast, but that sort of situation also usually means they're not as flexible and slow to react to changing markets that they can't directly control. (IMO)


China has done something similar, before - Solar cells.

They were able to flood the market with Chinese-manufactured solar power panels in an attempt to undercut the competitors in other countries. However, they were only able to do that because the Chinese government subsidized manufacturing and enabled the Chinese companies to sell these products below their actual manufacturing costs, which was an attempt to put any fledgeling competitors out of business "overnight."

But, once nations understood what China was doing, their products in that sector were either banned outright or had heavy tariffs imposed in order to protect their own industries. IOW - It backfired. (Plus, let's not ignore the industrial waste issues and environmental damage China allowed within its own borders in an attempt to support this action.)

They had better have a different plan for fairly competing in an open market if they wish to have a chance of long-term success.
Microsoft SpywareOS is crap anyways.

Only braindead and losers use it now a days.
Steve Sep 26, 2024 @ 8:10pm 
I thought Intel and AMD were Chinese owned, like everything else in America.
vkobe Sep 26, 2024 @ 8:24pm 
Originally posted by Mellow:
The alternatives are just stolen from intel and AMD lmao
nope they going to use kirin
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