Ragnaroni 2024 年 9 月 26 日 上午 11:31
Was George W. Bush right to invade Iraq?
Seriously? Was it a good decision or was he a schizoid?
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talemore 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 1:49 
引用自 vkobe
引用自 Duck Twacy
The CIA told him that Saddam Hussein likely had WMDs of all kinds, based on their intel gathering.

What Saddam Hussein was doing was publicly stating he had no nukes nor other WMDs, but all the while he was, according to all sources including journalists, he kept hinting at threats that if he was invaded, then he would nuke the US and/or Europe.

Saddam, on a personal level, was a megalomaniac, and had delusions or visions of himself being the pan-Arab leader for a pan Arab state that he was going to forge through force of arms. It's part of why he annexed Kuwait, why he gassed the Kurds, and part of why he invaded Iran after the king of Iran (the Shah) passed away. I say part, because he probably had the hots for the Shah's wife, and figured he could take over Iran after the king was forced to leave and passed away due to both cancer and a botched surgery.

Saddam Hussein, like a lot of tyrants, had the thinking that punishing people through pain and death was right, and that in order to bring "Arabia" under his control to "make it a better place" that invading, killing and torturing people was the way to go. But's that not why the US and Europe and Arab states invaded Iraq the second time, it really was Saddam mouthing off secretly that he had nukes.

Condi Rice testified before the HOR that the reason she and the administration decided to invade was to err on the side of caution. Saddam Hussein had programs, but only small caches of chemical weapons ... stuff from WW1 technology. He had no working nukes, but was researching them ... and he had Gerald Bull's super-cannon. I think Mossad killed Bull after asking him to stop helping Saddam Hussein. Said cannon was aimed towards Israel, and Saddam financed and backed Hamas and other terrorist groups.

So ..... you tell me, I say yes.

The problem is that Iran's leadership now trains and funds criminal gags in Iraq. It's why Trump took out Suleimani back in ... 2018? Because Iran's military knew it couldn't take on the US, so they kept funding criminals to cause chaos. Hence he got an AT missile at his car.

In my opinion Saddam armed with nukes would have been far worse than Putin North Korea, and Iran. He would have used them regardless of what anyone said.

So, yes again, in my opinion. Former intel people will tell you that the common man doesn't know just how evil Saddam Hussein was.

Regrettably my family knew him.
sorry i call that bs

saddam was your ordinary dictator

even with nuclear weapon he not going to use it with so much risk

also agypt used chemical weapon against yemen, we didnt punish them

and when saddam invaded iran we supported him

The big picture is that North Korea was developing bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger scud-missiles that it wouldn't matter where the conflict is on the planet.

It scared Europe that the Ottoman empire would again attempt to conquer both Russia and Europe.

It's not that they used scud missiles but that they were willing to use them.

It wouldn't matter what they had inside of the warhead or on whom or where their opponents live.

The irony. USA is only involved because of Israel having people living in USA, makes the idea of Israel completely obsolete.
Othobrithol 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 2:13 
If it was in my power and legal to do so, I would drop George, Donald and ♥♥♥♥ off at the ICC myself.
Duck Twacy 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 2:33 
vkobe: it's not "BS", it's factually correct save for what I opine.
vkobe 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 2:35 
引用自 Duck Twacy
vkobe: it's not "BS", it's factually correct save for what I opine.
factual correct like russian bs to justify to invade ukraine
Kamiyama 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 2:36 
I don't think it was the right thing to do.

First off, the war was unjustified. None of the 9/11 terrorists were Iraqi nationals. Most of them were Saudi Arabian nationals, but for some reason the USA never sought to retaliate against Saudi Arabia. Also there were absolutely no WMD's in Iraq and while Saddam did want nuclear weapons, the Iraqi nuclear program was a total joke. You could compare it to the Zambian Space Program.

Secondly, while Saddam was a brutal and iron-fisted tyrant - nobody can deny that - he had to be in that part of the world. If he wasn't he would have been killed and replaced by someone else brutal and iron-fisted. That's just how that part of the world works.

What he did do was constantly wage war against his neighbors and he kept his borders closed. Any refugees who trespassed would be shot, or worse, gassed. I did a paper on him in college and he was vilified for driving back an invasion of Iraq by bombing the invading soldiers with mustard gas.

I don't think it's a coincidence that after the USA "brought freedom" to certain parts of the middle east, like Iraq and Afghanistan, that there was a huge mass migration of muslims from the middle east into western countries. I think Saddam was a stabilizing force in that region of the world and he was helping to hold back a massive tide of refugees.

I think the USA massively ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in the middle east after 9/11 and I think the big reason that Bush invaded Iraq is because he personally didn't like Saddam. Saddam once threatened Bush Sr. and I think Bush Jr. is such a naive manchild that he took it personally and started a war just to make his old man happy.

*Anyone remember Saddam's public execution? How many other times has the USA broadcast a public execution. Never that I can remember. But the MSM did that, despite the fact that everyone in our government knew for a fact by that time that Iraq had no WMD's and was not reponsible for 9/11. I think it was Bush who wanted Saddam to be publicly executed. It was personal.
最後修改者:Kamiyama; 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 2:40
76561198088409502 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 3:19 
was the USA ever right to invade any country? outside of helping defeat nazi germany they have done nothing but do war crimes, genocide and imperialism across the whole world. The september attacks should have been a wake up call to stop imperialism in the middle east and the larger world, but no they only did more imperialism
Iggy Wolf 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 3:30 
No. Not even with the WMD excuse. We already know the 9/11 terrorists weren't Iraqi. And Saddam Hussein was technically ours. You could say we were "cleaning up our mess", but that would imply and definitively prove that he was ours and we were just "cutting loose ends".

We created a bigger mess in Iraq, that simply saw MORE terrorists join a "cause" and make us pariahs on the world stage. We even renamed French fries to "freedom fries" simply because France didn't support the invasion. Talk about being petty. It's why the "Mission Accomplished" banner was so laughable and ridiculous.
Swarmfly 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 4:02 
A policy of peace and noninterventionism has never done the US Military Industrial Complex any favors. Having an excuse to invade Iraq was like Christmas.
Toast On Cheese 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 5:17 
Yes, because of a little thing called Pearl Harbor, maybe you heard of it?
Bassturd 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 5:22 
George was a satanist and occultist. Skull and bones.
miakisfan 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 5:22 
引用自 Ragnaroni
Seriously? Was it a good decision or was he a schizoid?

I'd have to know everyone that was involved in the decision. I know he made the choice but I highly doubt there wasn't talk before it happened.

If I remember correctly there were people on the Left wanting to go at first, too.

So if we are trying to make this into a left vs. right thing you are failing massively.

Knowing Bush Jr. wasn't exactly one of the greatest Presidents I'd have to say no, though. Not because he was a schizoid but because they didn't have a plan in place worthy of finishing the job correctly.
talemore 2024 年 9 月 26 日 下午 10:47 
引用自 OSAMAMAXXING
was the USA ever right to invade any country? outside of helping defeat nazi germany they have done nothing but do war crimes, genocide and imperialism across the whole world. The september attacks should have been a wake up call to stop imperialism in the middle east and the larger world, but no they only did more imperialism

During the world war two there was no other option than to invade another country to defeat the germans.

Like I mentioned North Korea was invaded for developing ICBM.

Israel is a colony created by UK and they were poking their sticks into the colony.

To them the world is all about religion. To the west everything is about nations and liberty.

Two world views collide with each other since one think they can just throw in sticks into the wheel.

Iraq created a power balance by pushing people back into the country by terrorize their neighbours to emmigrate from their regions into Iraq.

But these war games aren't as much working when they're buying weapons whose ultimate goal is to become nuclear intercontinental missiles.

North Korea made weapons to Sovjet Russia. These weapons later on sold to Iraq.

When Sovjet collapsed, nuclear warheads in sovjet went missing. Research and scientists in Russia left the country and went to other nations.
As result the collapse of Sovjet flooded the gates for the rest of the world to have their own access of nuclear weapons.

This is why speculations and gambling on the future is key as you can be denying all you want but the ultimate goal of the scud missile is to become a nuclear warhead.

They don't have to self being able to create the warheads. With development of liquid warheads known as heavy water, nations may find it funny to give it to countries just to see what they will do with it. All data has a value, especially when it's about the unknown.

When Ukraine start to use long range missiles they're no better than Iraq.

Whose side are you on? First they create long range missiles. Then they mount nuclear weapons on them.

I bet if not India, perhaps China would want Russia to disappear on the map for creating geological sea blockades in the east. That would as well benefit USA. That is why Ukraine war has been allowed to continue. Russia is unable to defeat Ukraine and doesn't want it to end. Since it would create too many questions. It is only after the war you're allowed to criticize actions.

You can't expect the world to be standing still. Someone will find a way. Dig deep enough and eventually you will find it.

George W Bush and his New World Order.

It's the opposite that George W created the Arabic empire when he made the rest of the countries realize that they're invited to dance with USA and challenge on the stage, it was no longer a game in their backwater region. They're now in the big league with usa. China, india, Europe.

It matters who you are in war with. Since countries see them as equals. That is why USA and Afghanistan see each other as equals in capacity.

That gives a picture that most is talk. We buying a dream.
Mikuy 2024 年 9 月 27 日 上午 12:40 
引用自 miakisfan
If I remember correctly there were people on the Left wanting to go at first, too.

So if we are trying to make this into a left vs. right thing you are failing massively.
No one in the left supported that, lol. The only leftish party in the US is the Green Party, and they completely opposed the invasion, as they're fundamentally antiwar.
DarkCrystalMethod 2024 年 9 月 27 日 上午 7:18 
引用自 Anoi Hidalgo
lol no, most definitely not. The republican party was filled ro the brim with war mongers at the timw so he got away with it. Its so sstrange back then the democrats were opposed to war, or atleast pretended to be
They were for the war before they were against it. (Something John F'ing Kerry the flip-flopper said)
vkobe 2024 年 9 月 27 日 上午 7:22 
引用自 DarkCrystalMethod
引用自 Anoi Hidalgo
lol no, most definitely not. The republican party was filled ro the brim with war mongers at the timw so he got away with it. Its so sstrange back then the democrats were opposed to war, or atleast pretended to be
They were for the war before they were against it. (Something John F'ing Kerry the flip-flopper said)
yup same for sleepy joe and hilary
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