Marvel, what happend?

[Arvaos]

What happend? I never really followed the whole Marvel universe outside of Daredevil and Spider-Man but there was a whole mainstream nerd culture around the Marvel movies a few years back.

Now it's no longer cool after a few of their movies bombed, are mainstream fanbases really that shallow?

[Sixtyfivekills]

I thought people liked Deadpool And Wolverine though?

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por Sixtyfivekills:

I thought people liked Deadpool And Wolverine though?

can't unsee...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN2rNIgy9JQ

[Fake]

Publicado originalmente por Stop Having Kids:

Publicado originalmente por Holografix:

nothing happened.

The Marvels (2023) - FLOP
Black Widow (2021) - FLOP
AntMan and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023) - FLOP
The Eternals (2021) - FLOP

She-Hulk - Twerking is empowerment

[Duck Twacy]

Publicado originalmente por Arvaos:

What happend? I never really followed the whole Marvel universe outside of Daredevil and Spider-Man but there was a whole mainstream nerd culture around the Marvel movies a few years back.

Now it's no longer cool after a few of their movies bombed, are mainstream fanbases really that shallow?

I never saw Spiderverse, or whatever it's called, but the trailer to me looked like a mess.

When I was a kid Siderman was Peter Parker trying to support his aunt by being a photgraphr for the Daily Bugle, who went after criminals in his spare time.

It seems like a lot of superhero films are aimed at "saving the universe" thees, when they started out as going after muggers, bank robbers, drug pushers and so forth.

So, you tell me. What happened/

[trousers]

Too much excess. In so many ways. That's what happened. I know we're meant to turn our brains off and dip into the popcorn but there's a point where you're watching and wonder why they didn't just make the actors CGI too. Then they won't have to recast their characters when they're naughty. Or give them media training so they shut the ♥♥♥♥ up for once.

They could also crank them out even faster if they did, with even more sloppiness. That would be great. We can take more hypersaturation.

Yours,
A grumpy old man

[90054321564584560]

Publicado originalmente por Duck Twacy:

Publicado originalmente por Arvaos:

What happend? I never really followed the whole Marvel universe outside of Daredevil and Spider-Man but there was a whole mainstream nerd culture around the Marvel movies a few years back.

Now it's no longer cool after a few of their movies bombed, are mainstream fanbases really that shallow?

I never saw Spiderverse, or whatever it's called, but the trailer to me looked like a mess.

When I was a kid Siderman was Peter Parker trying to support his aunt by being a photgraphr for the Daily Bugle, who went after criminals in his spare time.

It seems like a lot of superhero films are aimed at "saving the universe" thees, when they started out as going after muggers, bank robbers, drug pushers and so forth.

So, you tell me. What happened/

i noticed with those agenda being shifted in game franchises too. like bf used to be about mercenaries and countries fighting each other but starting with 2016 and the new team it is about super heroes non sense now

[Basho]

Publicado originalmente por Pronnu:

Turns out people get bored of watching the same Joss Whedon-esque crap for 15 years.

mark this as the answer.

that, and the JJ Abrams "it is all about the journey" key-jingling slop.

i'd also say, though this comes from someone who never enjoyed Marvel products in the first place so take that as you will, that most if not all characters seem flanderized to the point of coming off as walking brand names and little else by now.
it seems more like a low-effort high-budget game of brand recognition rather than any attempt at engaging storytelling.

[D. Flame]

They started forcing Woke crap like Ms Marvel and She-Hulk. Also, Thanos felt like a good end. He Who Remains was cool too, but they fired that actor.

What do I mean by woke crap? I mean movies that feel more like soap boxes than actual entertainment. Just compare Ms Marvel to something like Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman was actually a well made and interesting movie featuring a strong female lead, but they movie felt like it was trying to entertain you, rather than preach at you.

The ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up thing, was that I even like The Marvels movie that came later, but that movie flopped too because of the bad reputation from the first Ms. Marvel movie, and that cringe scene in Avengers...

[davidb11]

Publicado originalmente por D. Flame:

They started forcing Woke crap like Ms Marvel and She-Hulk. Also, Thanos felt like a good end. He Who Remains was cool too, but they fired that actor.

What do I mean by woke crap? I mean movies that feel more like soap boxes than actual entertainment. Just compare Ms Marvel to something like Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman was actually a well made and interesting movie featuring a strong female lead, but they movie felt like it was trying to entertain you, rather than preach at you.

The ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up thing, was that I even like The Marvels movie that came later, but that movie flopped too because of the bad reputation from the first Ms. Marvel movie, and that cringe scene in Avengers...

You are very confused.
Captain Marvel was considered a good movie, and was not woke unless you think a female lead is somehow woke.

Which is silly.

Publicado originalmente por Stop Having Kids:

Publicado originalmente por Holografix:

nothing happened.

The Marvels (2023) - FLOP
Black Widow (2021) - FLOP
AntMan and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023) - FLOP
The Eternals (2021) - FLOP

Neither Black Widow or Quantumania were flops.
THat makes no sense to claim.

The first and the last were flops.

BLack Widow also got hit hard by Covid-19.

The Marvels wasn't even that bad.

[Stop Having Kids]

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

Neither Black Widow or Quantumania were flops.
THat makes no sense to claim.

The first and the last were flops.

BLack Widow also got hit hard by Covid-19.

The Marvels wasn't even that bad.

They are all flops because they didn't make their budget plus marketing costs, which add another $200 million to the cost of the movie. So my statement remains, and it makes perfect sense to anyone who either works in the movie industry or who knows how finance works.

[bad_fur_day1]

Pretty obvious if you watch like most of their later movies and series.

[davidb11]

Publicado originalmente por Stop Having Kids:

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

Neither Black Widow or Quantumania were flops.
THat makes no sense to claim.

The first and the last were flops.

BLack Widow also got hit hard by Covid-19.

The Marvels wasn't even that bad.

They are all flops because they didn't make their budget plus marketing costs, which add another $200 million to the cost of the movie. So my statement remains, and it makes perfect sense to anyone who either works in the movie industry or who knows how finance works.

No one uses 200 million as a Marketing amount. LOL wut.

Yeah, the Marvels barely broke even if a bit of a profit if you include every single source, in the World, and the budget being 275 Million.

i wasn't aware exactly how flops are considered.
Still never heard of anyone being excessively mean towards Ant-Man.

[Pronnu]

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

Publicado originalmente por Stop Having Kids:

They are all flops because they didn't make their budget plus marketing costs, which add another $200 million to the cost of the movie. So my statement remains, and it makes perfect sense to anyone who either works in the movie industry or who knows how finance works.

No one uses 200 million as a Marketing amount. LOL wut.

Yeah, the Marvels barely broke even if a bit of a profit if you include every single source, in the World, and the budget being 275 Million.

i wasn't aware exactly how flops are considered.
Still never heard of anyone being excessively mean towards Ant-Man.

Flop usually means it it failed to recoup cost.

[davidb11]

Publicado originalmente por Pronnu:

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

No one uses 200 million as a Marketing amount. LOL wut.

Yeah, the Marvels barely broke even if a bit of a profit if you include every single source, in the World, and the budget being 275 Million.

i wasn't aware exactly how flops are considered.
Still never heard of anyone being excessively mean towards Ant-Man.

Flop usually means it it failed to recoup cost.

Alright. That does make sense.

[D. Flame]

Publicado originalmente por Pronnu:

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

No one uses 200 million as a Marketing amount. LOL wut.

Yeah, the Marvels barely broke even if a bit of a profit if you include every single source, in the World, and the budget being 275 Million.

i wasn't aware exactly how flops are considered.
Still never heard of anyone being excessively mean towards Ant-Man.

Flop usually means it it failed to recoup cost.

Companies are not in business to break even. Unless it makes a significant profit, then it is a flop.