Russian counter offensive in Kursk

[Hobbit XIII]

Is it the Chechen Akhmat special forces aka Kadyrovites doign the fighting or are they still being used as barrier style troops if so what Russian forces are pushing through Kursk?

[Hobbit XIII]

Messaggio originale di ;4755326933233018151:

are you the news? bbc without a bbc?

I'm asking a question of if the Kadyrovites are leading the counter offensive or are they still barrier troops for a Russian force that is making gains through there (according to Russian media they retaken ten towns).

[Magma Dragoon]

What will the Ukraine stans do when Russia kicks them out of Kursk completely and still controls like 1/4 of Ukraine?

[Hobbit XIII]

Messaggio originale di Magma Dragoon:

What will the Ukraine stans do when Russia kicks them out of Kursk completely and still controls like 1/4 of Ukraine?

If I was a commander of Ukrainian forces in Kursk I would do what the Russians have done to Ukraine and heavily mine the area however Russian authorities are hardly humanitarians and would likely tell the Russian civilians the area is clears and safe and let them clear the mines through stepping on them in daily life.

If Ukraine withdraw from Kursk I would guess they will either reinforce fighting (or find antoher strategy to deal with) Pokrovsk offensive.

Possibly try Crimea but that will heavily depend on what is going on around Pokrovsk.

Find another weak spot and this time really drive into Russian territory and not let Russian forces build trenches.

[vkobe]

Messaggio originale di Hobbit XIII:

Messaggio originale di Magma Dragoon:

What will the Ukraine stans do when Russia kicks them out of Kursk completely and still controls like 1/4 of Ukraine?

If I was a commander of Ukrainian forces in Kursk I would do what the Russians have done to Ukraine and heavily mine the area however Russian authorities are hardly humanitarians and would likely tell the Russian civilians the area is clears and safe and let them clear the mines through stepping on them in daily life.

If Ukraine withdraw from Kursk I would guess they will either reinforce fighting (or find antoher strategy to deal with) Pokrovsk offensive.

Possibly try Crimea but that will heavily depend on what is going on around Pokrovsk.

Find another weak spot and this time really drive into Russian territory and not let Russian forces build trenches.

why clear mine ?? when mine field help you in defense, they are only annoying if you prepare offensive in this place, but if you play defensive game your opponant mine field also help you

for crimea they need to take the estern part of the dniepr river and what i read currently russia try to take control of islands in the river and prepare defense to be ready if ukraine launch offensive in this zone

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Ukrainians blew up some more critical bridges at Kursk so probably wont be that easy to bring reinforcements for Russians.
There was also heavy counter attack at Pokrovsk so not sure how that will go.

[qb]

did you see that movie with nicolas cage where he sponsored both sides? it really doesnt matter at this point they all just thugs to me doing dirt deeds on both sides.

[Hobbit XIII]

Messaggio originale di vkobe:

Messaggio originale di Hobbit XIII:

If I was a commander of Ukrainian forces in Kursk I would do what the Russians have done to Ukraine and heavily mine the area however Russian authorities are hardly humanitarians and would likely tell the Russian civilians the area is clears and safe and let them clear the mines through stepping on them in daily life.

If Ukraine withdraw from Kursk I would guess they will either reinforce fighting (or find antoher strategy to deal with) Pokrovsk offensive.

Possibly try Crimea but that will heavily depend on what is going on around Pokrovsk.

Find another weak spot and this time really drive into Russian territory and not let Russian forces build trenches.

why clear mine ?? when mine field help you in defense, they are only annoying if you prepare offensive in this place, but if you play defensive game your opponant mine field also help you

for crimea they need to take the estern part of the dniepr river and what i read currently russia try to take control of islands in the river and prepare defense to be ready if ukraine launch offensive in this zone

The reluctance I would have in using mines would be against the civilian population if the Russians felt that they wanted the farming lands being productive again. That is output being lost all the time Ukraine is on that land.

The people whose land it is they don't know about the war and if they did know outside of the propaganda there is not much they could do to stop it.

so the risk of mines if the delay strategy (which "should" be the primary aim of mines) does not work against the Russian forces would turn into one of murder against people who were just farming or working in local shops.

Russians developed a butterfly / leaf type of mine, an evil mine (if one mine could be more evil than another) and it is designed with civilians in mind.
The mine does not look like your typical land mine.
you could be kicking through some leaves in the autumn pick up this odd looking object and you would be fine, touch another part of it at same time and BANG.

They are designed in a way not to fall straight so they can land in peoples homes through open windows.
Anybody could pick one up and not know what it was as long as they don't touch the other part of it they are fine and take it home say 'look what i found' shows the family and BANG.

Evil things those mines.

Sorry for going on a tangent.

So the laying of mines would be a potentially controversial move.

I would have used the Kursk invasion as a way of "forward command" for drones amongst other things of drawing other Russian forces to the area to take some pressure from Prokovsk.

Military Analyst Sean Bell said they could have taken a couple of thousand prisoners with a flanking move from east to west and there would be little the Russian soldiers there could do to stop it. Whether Ukraine capitalised on this I did not check up.

[Hobbit XIII]

Messaggio originale di qb:

did you see that movie with nicolas cage where he sponsored both sides? it really doesnt matter at this point they all just thugs to me doing dirt deeds on both sides.

Lord of War?
That is a brilliant film on arms dealing I would recommend it, it is stylised because its hollywood with Nicholas Cage but it is a very good film in my opinion and the actions within it happened and accurate (apparently I am not a gun runner but going by experts of the field).
Showed how global trade is especially in weapons.

[Hobbit XIII]

Messaggio originale di Rumpelcrutchskin:

Ukrainians blew up some more critical bridges at Kursk so probably wont be that easy to bring reinforcements for Russians.
There was also heavy counter attack at Pokrovsk so not sure how that will go.

~I was wondering if Ukraine was holding back and going to really mine the heck out of Pokrovsk and then counter attack with a some reserves waiting for that very eventuality using NATO kit.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Ukrainians are really developing the drone warfare, drone APCs and flying flamethrower drones.

[vkobe]

Messaggio originale di Hobbit XIII:

Messaggio originale di vkobe:

why clear mine ?? when mine field help you in defense, they are only annoying if you prepare offensive in this place, but if you play defensive game your opponant mine field also help you

for crimea they need to take the estern part of the dniepr river and what i read currently russia try to take control of islands in the river and prepare defense to be ready if ukraine launch offensive in this zone

The reluctance I would have in using mines would be against the civilian population if the Russians felt that they wanted the farming lands being productive again. That is output being lost all the time Ukraine is on that land.

The people whose land it is they don't know about the war and if they did know outside of the propaganda there is not much they could do to stop it.

so the risk of mines if the delay strategy (which "should" be the primary aim of mines) does not work against the Russian forces would turn into one of murder against people who were just farming or working in local shops.

Russians developed a butterfly / leaf type of mine, an evil mine (if one mine could be more evil than another) and it is designed with civilians in mind.
The mine does not look like your typical land mine.
you could be kicking through some leaves in the autumn pick up this odd looking object and you would be fine, touch another part of it at same time and BANG.

They are designed in a way not to fall straight so they can land in peoples homes through open windows.
Anybody could pick one up and not know what it was as long as they don't touch the other part of it they are fine and take it home say 'look what i found' shows the family and BANG.

Evil things those mines.

Sorry for going on a tangent.

So the laying of mines would be a potentially controversial move.

I would have used the Kursk invasion as a way of "forward command" for drones amongst other things of drawing other Russian forces to the area to take some pressure from Prokovsk.

Military Analyst Sean Bell said they could have taken a couple of thousand prisoners with a flanking move from east to west and there would be little the Russian soldiers there could do to stop it. Whether Ukraine capitalised on this I did not check up.

the mine field is on ukraine border and going to turn into military zone, not sure civilian going to back even if the war end, it is mostly wood and village area

sorry but 1000 km square of farm land is not so critical when you need defense line against your opponant, mine field is useful to slow down or stop offensive, so if russian dont have project to launch offensive from kursk your ukrainian mine field also help them in their defense line against ukraine

sorry but when you prepare defense it not matter if you build your defense on your land or your opponant land, if your land offer better defense line so go ahead and build your defense there

but they know they are in war, they are bombed by artillery, drone and missile since at least one year and see explosion every week

the place is mostly wood and village, not so much critical and it is not going the first place to turn into militay zone for very long time, so unlikely your farmer and local shoper going back there, they probably going to move to farming and shoping around mariopol area

but it is what ukrainian tried, but russian keeping their pressure around Pokrovsk

it is nearly 3 weeks i read that and after 3 weeks ukrainian offensive stall in kurk and with russian counter offensive you can forget Sean Bell plan, it would be possible in august, but now seem ukraine lack of resource, russian put too much pressure around Pokrovsk and with russian counter offensive in kursk it mean it going to be too risky for ukraine and they are forced to play defensive game to contain russian counter offensive, maybe they are forced to retreat, especially when i read than ukraine didnt build yet defense in kursk

[Hooch]

As an American, I can officially say "idgaf."

The US needs to stop sending money to non-allies and instead spend it on its own citizens in need.

Let Europe deal with Ukraine/Russia.

The US should not be the World Police.

[Plaid]

Messaggio originale di Hooch:

As an American, I can officially say "idgaf."

The US needs to stop sending money overseas and instead spend it on its own citizens in need.

Let Europe deal with Ukraine/Russia.

The US should not be the World Police.

They aren't even playing Police. They are the World Bully.
Though in many circumstances "Police" and "Bully" are interchangeable.

[Sreve]

lol, looks like you triggered the russians Hobbit.

[Hooch]

Messaggio originale di Plaid:

Messaggio originale di Hooch:

As an American, I can officially say "idgaf."

The US needs to stop sending money overseas and instead spend it on its own citizens in need.

Let Europe deal with Ukraine/Russia.

The US should not be the World Police.

They aren't even playing Police. They are the World Bully.
Though in many circumstances "Police" and "Bully" are interchangeable.

How is the US being the bully in the Ukraine/Russian conflict?