Is communism good on paper?

[🌠Deusgo]

Clearly it don’t work in humans, the person at the top tends to be a ♥♥♥♥ bag, but with another civilisation, that of robots per say, without greed or the need to hate see it fruitful?

[Nine-ball]

Papers, please. Papers. What, you have no papers!? You are being detained on suspicion of being a spy and a possible counter-revolutionary.

Communism can never work, because the main problem with an altruistic collective is that just ONE person or entity can subvert the whole thing immediately, which is why Communism and every other form of socialism wind up with dictators or oligarchs in such short order.

Was Stalin a Communist? Obviously not, but he looked enough like one,and was willing to use the power people stupidly put in government to create a reign of terror. Was Castro a Communist? How about Mendoza? Or Ortega? Mao?

Communists will tell you they are not, because Communism isn't even good on paper. Sure, it can seem good to people who have a revenge and greed motive, but what happens next? What happens when the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat", which does NOT include the vast majority of Communists, takes over? Even if were motivated the same way, what on Earth make anyone that is not part of the new ruling class believe they will EVER retain any power or get anything, when their rulers have the same motivations?

It's the same phenomenon that you see in a lottery, if the lottery could kill you and rig its own results. The dictatorship emerges, and then that's it. There is no other step. There is no "liberation" of the oppressed, just straight-up oppression. There is no "New Socialist Man" that arises, all the wiser for his experiences in oppression. The state does not "fall away" while all reasonable humans adopt the true consciousness of socialism. Indeed, if even one altruist appeared, they would be immediately killed by those who seek opportunity and power.

Communism, and the Left in general inadvertently create this kind of selection pressure. It doesn't matter what people you have in power, or what philosopher kings, if they are even remotely generous and trustful, they will be murdered or otherwise removed by people that want the power more and are willing to use it.

Even the Right needs to take a lesson from this "Iron Calculus of Power", as I call it. They're not nearly as bad about giving power away to government, but they still do it, and then they're surprised when the Left demonizes and marginalizes them. As if anything else was ever going to happen.

Same happens to the Far Left, but they get to the whole "tyrannizing,imprisoning, and murdering" bit a lot faster.

[kingjames488]

引用自 mf tom：

People like to say "communism works in theory but not in practice", but we don't actually have any good examples.

literally the 3rd time I'd pointed out siam...

but no one actually cares and just wants to go on about how there's no actual case of successful communism despite ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SIAM!!!!

[Dialectical Femboism]

引用自 Nine-ball：

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[Nine-ball]

引用自 Dialectical Femboism：

引用自 Nine-ball：

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[Original Cast Recording]

Everything's good on paper.

[🌠Deusgo]

引用自 Philco7a：

Of all the communist Governments over the decades not 1 has ever given out free crack pipes to its peasants....until Joe Biden came along....
You can never be arrested with a Joey Biden issued crack pipe, would be entrapment. And that there makes Biden Communism the best Communism.

What are you talking about? You sound insane

[Professor]

引用自 kingjames488：

引用自 mf tom：

People like to say "communism works in theory but not in practice", but we don't actually have any good examples.

literally the 3rd time I'd pointed out siam...

but no one actually cares and just wants to go on about how there's no actual case of successful communism despite ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SIAM!!!!

Well yes western society has weaved a particular fear with its mortal enemy, everything form being a red threat to counter insurgency spies & even accused of mind control. Communism is labelled the blind hateful opposition of the sacred Capitalistic Democracies.

They are total opposites & both would easily raise fears of each other. I do agree with you though, as Vietnam is also really good example of a Socialistic Republic run by the one Communist party, working very well for it's people & their economy.

[the vampire of time and memory]

anarcho communism is a noble ideal that is unachievable without a post scarcity society

[hi friends]

almost anyism is good on paper

[skOsH♥]

引用自 Texas Gamer：

引用自 sleeps：

that's about it. on paper. in practice however, what we got so far is either becoming center left (ie social democrat which tends to be very capitalistic with strong social programs, scandivanians) or functionally fascist/corporate (china)

It does not work in theory because it encourages laziness....if I was going to get paid or get to enjoy 'the collective benefits', regardless of whether or not I worked or not, why WOULD I work?

Capitalism seems to be friendly with laziness as well

I do bug testing for a couple valve games and the average salary for their employees is insanely high

And I find bugs and replicate them and figure out what causes it for free. I spend a lot of effort bug testing. Yet...I am not rewarded at all for doing a lot of work for valve....and they'll fix bugs that they only see pointed out by the community instead of thoroughly bug testing in their game engine to see if there are other bugs that might also be there.

The majority of the jobs I have worked under capitalism result in the execs holllowing out the company, cutting corners, firing employees to save money, and then they make golden parachutes for themselves. They buy the company and just strip it of all its value for themselves.

Execs that just turn a company into a shell of its former self just for easy money without creating anything...is *also* laziness. Laziness of creating nothing to make money. What do these companies contribute? Nothing.

None of the economic systems we have work, seemingly. Yet no one wants to brainstorm a new economic system

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 Professor：

引用自 kingjames488：

literally the 3rd time I'd pointed out siam...

but no one actually cares and just wants to go on about how there's no actual case of successful communism despite ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SIAM!!!!

Well yes western society has weaved a particular fear with its mortal enemy, everything form being a red threat to counter insurgency spies & even accused of mind control. Communism is labelled the blind hateful opposition of the sacred Capitalistic Democracies.

They are total opposites & both would easily raise fears of each other. I do agree with you though, as Vietnam is also really good example of a Socialistic Republic run by the one Communist party, working very well for it's people & their economy.

What about all the people who have actually lived under it, and risked their own lives to escape it? They're all just lying to make glorious communism look bad, right? And tell me, where do you people who have ever experienced it, come up with these ridiculous ideas, if not from western resources that romanticize it?

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引用自 talemore：

UN and EU is the nemesis of communists but at the same time EU And UN is its own enemy of creating a communtity.

Communists do not hate capitalism.

The communists hate communists as the state has the ultimate security power.

Policemen and guardians are communists as they protect the community. They want the best of you but they do so at the expense of someone elses freedom.

the police fundementally serve the bourgeosie
the people who get in trouble are almost exclusively are the working class

[Shadow]

Well if your wealthy, you would hate it. Because everyone is the same social status in Communism. Why Capitalism is loved because the rich get richer and live in their own elite circles while poor get poorer. Communism eliminates poverty but at the cost of everyone lives and earns the same. No rich people, no poor people.

All these big money making Jewish banks and businesses would no longer exist in Communism. You don't find a single Jewish person supporting communism for this very reason. The reason why they thrive in the west is because of Capitalism. Money money money.

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 Shadow：

Well if your wealthy, you would hate it. Because everyone is the same social status in Communism. Why Capitalism is loved because the rich get richer and live in their own elite circles while poor get poorer. Communism eliminates poverty but at the cost of everyone lives and earns the same. No rich people, no poor people.

All these big money making Jewish banks and businesses would no longer exist in Communism. You don't find a single Jewish person supporting communism for this very reason. The reason why they thrive in the west is because of Capitalism. Money money money.

Are you saying Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Castro, and other prominent figures in communist countries weren't living a life of luxury while the rest suffered for it?

[Professor]

引用自 Ulfrinn：

引用自 Professor：

Well yes western society has weaved a particular fear with its mortal enemy, everything form being a red threat to counter insurgency spies & even accused of mind control. Communism is labelled the blind hateful opposition of the sacred Capitalistic Democracies.

They are total opposites & both would easily raise fears of each other. I do agree with you though, as Vietnam is also really good example of a Socialistic Republic run by the one Communist party, working very well for it's people & their economy.

What about all the people who have actually lived under it, and risked their own lives to escape it? They're all just lying to make glorious communism look bad, right? And tell me, where do you people who have ever experienced it, come up with these ridiculous ideas, if not from western resources that romanticize it?

There are those cases of horror for sure but they are not definitive examples. Ask the people in modern day Vietnam how they feel about their Communistic government? To me there is much more horrific criticism of Communism than there is romanticising with Communism in Western Society.

Perhaps there are those who see the horrors of the past that are not exclusive to Communism but also within Capitalistic Democracies. Communism is no easy beast but many may say that Western Democracy is no easy beast either.

Don't get me wrong I am not anti Democratic nor anti Capitalistic, many may see & understand that Communism is the ultimate evil enemy for the saintly Capitalistic Democracies. That type of fierce division may not be so romantic for any type of political &/or economic system.

Yes I would take Capitalistic Democracy ball warts & all over Communism any day, but that is because I don't have any lived experience as a citizen of Vietnam. The irony of only ever seeing from one side of the fence.