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Or google azov battalion. And see how many articles talk about nazism.
Not to mention the nazis that want to censor everything, tried to implement nazi health passports, or tried to force injections into everyone, like nazis.
Define Nazi
My definition is a little broader as it relates the current day. Anyone using their tactics should be labelled one, regardless of the demographic theyre attacking.
ok you want free thinkers.
I am christian.
-this makes me loyal to israel but also critical of their anticristian atitude.
-I also object to all killing
fact to me is :
*if it was a case of land for peace.. israel would take that deal.. but palestinians especially those in gaza do not want peace.. they want israel "to be driven in the sea"
**hamas keeps using most if not all of the aidmoney given to them to buy and build bombs to attack israel with.. placing launching instalations on purpose under bunkers and if informed of an attack.. send in as many woman and chilldren there as possible rather than bring their citycens to safety as they care more for media attention than for the lifes of their own people.
**israel keps being bombed by rockets and carbombs made and fired by palestinians day by day... often aimed at civillians.. if a person attacks you every day.. would you not loose your temper eventually?
**any request by israel to the palestinian goverment to act against these terrorists does go unanswered.. as they are led by leaders who support these attacks. (to declare hamas into a political and military wing.. is to say the nazi party is not the ss.. they may be different wings.. but same ideology.
***so israel has opted to take care of the problem themselves.. at first they build walls.. to make it harder for these attacks to enter in the first place.
***and secondly they periodicly have strikes into palestine lands to take out launch instalations and ammo bunkers.. (attacks keep happening but after such an action usually they decrease in number for a while)
***while under international law.. it is not legal to act against insurgances in another nation.. it be like the usa without any permission of mexico drive into mexico and start bombing stuff to take out drug cartels. but if these cartels would launch missled at usa cities by the dosin day by day every day you bet usa would do that very thing as would any nation defending their people!
**originally israel did declare these operation shortly in advance to the palestinian goverment with the idea they could evacuate people away.. but what happend was the oppoisite.. MORE people were moved in.. acting like a "human shield" for this terrorism. so israel stopped declaring it's operations in advance to save lives.
***israel is however NOT manipulated by this human shield not by palestinians building bunkers and launch instalations under hospitals and schools and such.. they destroy what they came to destroy.. and while they try to limit loss of life in the process.(though some life may be lost as well the maniaks act like human shield and cannot be told to evacuate). they logically care little about destroying the hospital that was purposinly build on top of a bunker..
than palestinans go all cry to the media showing how baaaaad israel is destroying hospitals.. and killing woman and children.. please send money to help (and any sucker who does send help only helps palestinians to buy bombs to kill more israeli) they are NOT the victem they play to be.
-heck even most arabic nations that originally were part of the coaliition to destroy israel and fought with palestine back in the day tend to have normalised their standing with israel and palestine is seen as a pharia by most other arabic nations who are just as fed up by them playing the victem and whining not being as easely fooled as western media.
now to this one situation...
-this attack was different hamas stroke deep insite israel with their attack..
it showed that just building a wall around them and doing periodic wiped of launch operations.. will no longer guarantee the safety of (most) of the israelic public.
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so I get why israel need a different solution that previously has been used to feel safe again.
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they still have not retrieved the civillians that have been kidnapped a year ago.. it would go a long way in solving the conflict if they were returned.. mind you the civilian population in gaza has also not spoken out about this once.. nor has helped in returning this population.. they are basicly as sweeded up as nazi were during ww2..
palestinians and the media make it seem as if israel has opted to just go genocice :
if the problem cannot be contained behind a wall make the problem go away.
-> I not believe this is the case.
**sure the gloves has come off and israeli soldiers have become more shoot first ask questions later.. taking less risk even at the cost of more palestinian lifes.
give people sweeped up emotions, guns and a conflict and not all can keep it together.
you may call those excesses warcrimes.. just as you could call the actions of usa soldiers in afghanistan at times but that is still a long way from an organised genocide.
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but israel has made it clear they very much want hamas to excist no more.. basicly their declaration is like with germany in ww2. just as germany had to be denazified.. and the nazi party fully dissolved.. so they want to remove hamas fully from power.. and arrest all it's leaders.
**there may be some in israeli politics who dream of just annexing gaza alltogether... and force the palestinians in gaza to just go live somewhere else.. (if europe loves palastine so much let them just go as refugees there kind of thinking) but I not think that is the dominant view as of yet.
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footnote :
(as an european myself this is also a doomscenario for I not want that crap here either I support migration by decent people that culturally and geneticly not belong here.. I much less want those whackjobs here causing trouble) I do hope israel does realise that some in europe still support them and have no part in all the pro palestine crap our goverments and media spout and for the sake of the likes of us not pull this one.
EVEN if israel would pull this one.. I would oppose my goverment to take in ANY palestinian refugees.. let other arabic nations or take them in.. (iran seems to like them let them go there)
but I am one oppision vote in a goverment that not listen to our people.. so I fear that the only thing preventing even more migratnts here is israel not making them refugees to start with is as things are.
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the destruction of hamas.. means the complete destruction of all elements of goverment in gaza.. there are 2 paths after hamas leaders and organisation are all dead and arased and all kidnapped israeli citycens found.
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path 1 will be "leave a mess"
-leave gaza a failed state.. without goverment or order.. in total ruin and anarchy.. the adavantage to israel being.. in such a state it be decades before they ever be a treath again.. and they can pull out quicker.. (which the international community seem to press for) short term this is the better solution for israel and most likely they pick
path 2 will be "denazifi"
-keep gaza occupied for decades. like germany and japan were after ww2.. rebuild and reeducate under israeli guidance to properly not just remove the orginastion of hamas but remove the thinking fromt he palestinian peoples mind.. on top not be seen just as the destroyes... but turn gaza in a stable and friendly to israel region.. this will solve the problem permanently.. but it will come with high cost (financially) to israel.. and likely be very badly recieved internationally.. this is why israel is less likely toi pick this better path..
now what I would want the international community to do (but I know they most likely won't)
-declare hamas offficially a terrorist organisation
-stop support for palestine as long it is under hamas rule
-offer aid and support to israel to go for solution 2
-make israel part of nato (that will stop iran from pulling crap like attacking in the future as there are plenty in usa who would LOOOVE to bomb the heck out of iran.. with a valid reason)
added bonus : with israel in we can kick turkey out of nato.. as we no longer need them for their strategic location. (and turkey is already flirlting with bricks and russia way to much.. they not belong in nato.. perhaps at one time when more progressive they did.. but with edogan the dictator in power no longer.
special clausules :
**pressure israel to extract the 1500 christian palestinians.. and give them back their land and israeli passport
**while many living in palestine are actually jordanians and their forefather did not live in palestine 50 years ago.. some did.. and have documents going back to ottoman time. deeds to houses and lands now on israeli soil.. land they were without compensation driven off off
while yes land was given from ottoman to england and than to israel.. if land is as part of an ceize of war agreement shifts from one nation to another.. normally the new nation recognises the civillians living on that land.. the actual ownership not changes they just become taxpayers of another nation.
-> and while a state is free to disown it's citycens.. that normally required buying ot at market value. (refusal to sell not possible when the state wants your land..)
**if those people wish to remain citycens of their former nation (or you refuse to give them your nationality) you can demand them to move off their land.. but you cannot disown the land.. the deed remains theirs and before using it it should be bought or rented of them
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this last part was never done.. israel just claimed "well they attacked us.. so they deserved to be disowned" but there are clearly individual people who had no part in that conflict and were unjustly moved.
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the most clear group are christian palestinians.. christians were discriminated against in ottoman times and often decended from much further going back byzantiune greek and crusader state populations. sometimes even to the original christians living there.
christians not hate or attack israel.. muslims did.. so to disown their land and scare them off was just greed and wrong.
-of the 30000 originally relocated to gaza.. by israel only 1500 are left (as palestinians see being muslim and palastinian as one of the same thing and being christian is gaza means you face pursecution every day.. so they risk every day getting killed by other palestinians.. it is like being locked in a open air prison as a minority of 1500 innocent amongst 2 million madman willing to kill these innocent..
**as these christians never took part in this or any attack against israel.. and the taking of their land was thus highly illigal and their current location put their lives as much to danger as were it 1500 jews forced to live there.. israel must give these 1500 christian palesrtinians israeli passports and allow them to leave gaza (or annex a tiny portion of it.. for them to live in and keep the land of while becoming israeli.
unrelated to the conflict but I do think israel should change (and be pressured to change in :
-israel has to much a theocratic state in mind.
-most my support for israel is due my christianity.. a religion suppressed in israel.., and this must end.
-israel does give israeli passports to anybody whoes decends or has suffered in the concentration camps during ww2 and can prove this.. but has added in 1970 the condition "and is of the jewish faith"
-this latter addition should be removed... there are many messianic jews.. true jews often with grandparents and parents who suffered the holocaust.. who however came to accept christ as the messias.. the only thing not allowing them to move to israel is their faith.. and this is wrong.. I will accept a special exeption only for mesianic jews... not for atheists/other religions but a jew that fits all the rules but has become christian should be given israeli citycenship just as he or she would were they a jew.. I mean israel has frigging gay stuff happening.. and thats frowned upon by both religions.. so why so discriminating against another religion?
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related to that there are many christians who like me believe that the last thing that will happen before christ returns is that most the jews will become christians.. this has fueled so much of christians support for israel.. as well as many traveling there to evangelise...
but if you evengalise in israel these days.. you often get your visa revoked, ferried to the airport.. told to leave.. and never given another visa.. the israeli goverment knows of christians desire to make israel christian.. and actively fights back.
but we not force anybody.. we talk.. and if talk can convince people than should their own people not have the freedom to chooce?
I mean once again they allow their people to become atheists, gay and much much worse crap in jhwhs eyes than becoming christian.
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again unlikely to happen.. but I would like the international community to pressure israel in these 2 points... perhaps as part of their admission to nato and in exchange for aid for plan 2 in reforming gaza.
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as for westbank.. they seem to be less agressive lately (not zero) and seem to be workable.. I can see them being handed to jordan or their own state.. but without gaza.
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about the "illigal settlements" aka jews on their land and the wall not exactly being buiild on the border as well as the conquest of jerusalem.
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as for jerusalem.. borders be damned it belongs in israel and to be it's capitol.
the historic weight clearly points that way to do otherwise is wrong.
it was a mistake to not do this in the first place.. so legalise this status.
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for the other settlements & the wall not being on the border...
I cannot condone these settlements.. i cannot see it different than colonisation by israel.
but we cannot remove them all either...some are to well and long settled with to few people with interest who originally lived there (or nobody did to start).. so we need to look case by case which must be allowed to stay (but with money being paid by israel to the people this land used to belong to, some are recent enough they can be removed.
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so upon declaring westbank their own nation.. a new border must be drawn that closer matches this wall that is build.. we might alter a few sections of border and wall to do justice to a few individual cases.. and israel needs to pay a lumb sum of money for some of this land taken..
this is my opinion about the whole ordeal.
free thinking enough?
They can't, as they'll might describe themselves by error, they can't define what's a nazi, because a nazi is an imperialist wanting to build a European Empire lead by Germany, filled with peoples of german culture and origin that will last a thousand years. That was the nazi's project.
What want leftists today ? They want the EU, an European Empire, filled with immigrants to work as slaves when the white minority live like the Qataris, on top of a slaver's Empire.
- Want an Empire ? Check.
- Want to enslave others ? Check.
- Racism ? Check.
They can't define nazism or even racism correctly. Because they'll describe themselves and that's what they're afraid about when peoples tell the truth and analyse things logically instead of morally / ideologically.
In the modern cartoonish Hollywood depiction? Unironically Israel.
Heath passports were literally straight out of the nazi playbook.
Anyone who violated the nuremburg code, or attempted to, is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nazi.
Did I contradicted you about it ? As I've said, everyone blame nazism as a nationalist ideology, but that's wrong, nazis weren't nationalists, they always were imperialists. The only reason why they're considered as nationalists was because they were stopped at an early stage of their project of Empire. But in the long terms they could have done the exact same thing as the USSR, oppressing nationalist russians to go further in their Empire project and bring in more peoples to work for the all powerfull state.
The real evil always was imperialism, as a truely nationalist country will only care about the territory they already have and their actual peoples. The real evil is the wish to expand always further, not the wish to care about your own peoples first. But eh, leftists will still not explain that either.
Politicians are the real responsibles, nobody else. And in the Israel vs Palestine case, both want the war anyway, so just let them and the war result will bring the solution as one side will dissapear. There is no other long term solution for this one conflict I fear. And well, if I have to choose between Israel and Palestine as a westerner myself, I choose Israel, it's a no brainer for me.
What tactics are these? Censorship?
Very broad definition
Yes, they should stop firing thousands of rockets at us - then maybe we can stop building bomb shelters all the time.
I agree that it wouldve became similar to the ussr, or current day china however... It was sold as socialism, just like they tried with us during covid.