Violent video games vs real life violence

[Bad Aim]

Two threads have been created about this very subject. A lot of post have made the arguement that just because someone played GTA or Mortal Kombat does not mean they are going to go out and kill someone. I will totally agree with that statement.

But I am not looking to make a comparison between violent video games and violent crimes. I have not seen nor read any reseach on the comparison between crimes and video games, but I would assume that there is little to zero correlation.

What I would like to point out is there does seem to be a correlation between emotional control in people and video games. Again, I am not looking for extreme's. If someone was to play GTA, Mortal Kombat, any of the Battlefield or Call of Duty games, would they be more susceptible to anger issues in thier daily life?

I have pointed out, time and time again, that I believe they would be. Children are far more susceptible to this. We have many examples of this happening in real life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHHdovKHDNU

I would also like to point out that the frontal lobe of children below the age of 8 is underdeveloped. This is the reason children believe in impossible things. (ie monsters under the bed, Santa is real, invisible (or pretend) friends). It can also lead to children not being able to distinguish dreams from reality.

I am not attempting to blame video games for the way people act. Hell, I play video games myself. If you look at what I play, you will see I do play some violent and graphic games. I am not going out and killing or hurting people because of the games I play. But, I would like to point out that I am perfectly willing to admit that the violence and language has affected me to a certain extent.

If you honestly believe the what games you play, what TV shows and movies you watch, and what books you read have no affect on you, you really need to take a closer look at yourself. Everything in your envirnment has some type of an affect on you.

Video games are going to affect differant people in very differant ways, depending on thier age, mental disabilities (if any), and emotional state.

I believe that the interactive part of video games does lead us to become more desensitized to violence. I have no evidance to back this up. I really wish I still had access to the PSU library where I could read peer reviewed articals and journals from some of the worlds best psychologist. But I am no longer a student at PSU, so I no longer have access. :(

If I find evidance either for or aginst people getting desensitized to violence due to video games, I would be more then happy to post it here. :)

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Gustave5436 の投稿を引用：

Maya の投稿を引用：

Yes, it invalidates her work. Because as you yourself said, it is based on assumptions that she made based on what she is seeing. We have this tendency to connect dots and see what we wish to. So, in this case, a biased "assumption", something that cannot be taken as reliable evidence.

Now that's an epistemological problem, because if you consistently apply that argument everywhere, you'll have to throw out every fact and theory in existence on the grounds that the only source for those facts and theories is fallible humans whose view of the world is tempered by their own subjective experience.

Obviously, but that would call for a philosophical discussion that would send this train way off the rails.

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Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

Fine, your loss.

May I remind you that the burden of proof is with you ?

No, but you can't have Road Rage without roads or cars.

But you can have rage nonetheless and that is my point. That whether there are roads or cars is irrelevant when human emotion is considered.

So? Certain things, old or new, could influence our moods and behaviour. No one here said violence never existed before video games. Get your facts straight.

Stop creating strawmen and skipping parts to take things out of context.

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Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

Maya の投稿を引用：

Sorry, if you consider biased assumptions to be valid then I guess it would be valid for you. But we are not talking about scientific facts like gravity here.

By your logic, scientists who believe in gravity should be dismissed if they write about them, because they have a biased assumption about gravity. I don't agree with what she claims, but it is because of facts, not because she is a woman!

If they are assumptions without evidence. And not all women are feminists nor are all feminists women. I used the term "feminist", not "female".

If you need something to equate it to, then look to nazi propaganda.

[Bad Aim]

Maya の投稿を引用：

Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

Fine, your loss.

May I remind you that the burden of proof is with you ?

No, but you can't have Road Rage without roads or cars.

But you can have rage nonetheless and that is my point. That whether there are roads or cars is irrelevant when human emotion is considered.

So? Certain things, old or new, could influence our moods and behaviour. No one here said violence never existed before video games. Get your facts straight.

Stop creating strawmen and skipping parts to take things out of context.

I never said, flat out, that we use to live in a utopian society where violence never existed. I did say that there is evidance that one could have existed. I never said it did...

Yes, we have violence. If games magicly taken away, would we still have violence? Of course. I have no problem admiting to that.

But we do have games... violent games... games that sometimes portray violent acts much more graphicly then any TV show. Could these games affect our behaviour? Could these games have a greater effect on children who's frontal lobes are not fully developed, thus may be unable to distinguish fantasy from reality?

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Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

Maya の投稿を引用：

Obviously, but that would call for a philosophical discussion that would send this train way off the rails.

Translation: I was talking nonsense, please stop pointing that out!

Would you prefer that I discuss it then ? feel free to create a thread and I would gladly oblige.

Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

It's there, but you refuse to see it. Your loss.

Not on a freely available medium. If you have a mirror or are willing to provide me access then I would gladly "see it"

So cars or roads are irrelevant to Road Rage? Interesting theory.

Yes, they are, except for terminology for the "road" part in road rage.

Do you or do you not agree that anger and rage could be caused by external factors?

Anger and rage need stimuli, and stimuli can be external. I believe I have never argued that.

[Bad Aim]

Maya の投稿を引用：

Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

By your logic, scientists who believe in gravity should be dismissed if they write about them, because they have a biased assumption about gravity. I don't agree with what she claims, but it is because of facts, not because she is a woman!

If they are assumptions without evidence. And not all women are feminists nor are all feminists women. I used the term "feminist", not "female".

If you need something to equate it to, then look to nazi propaganda.

Ouch. I am a feminist. Compairing feminism to Nazi propaganda is a bit much. My guess is that you have been jaded by feminism based on your personal experiance with people who call themselves feminist. Maybe you had a run-in with the so called "femi-nazi".

If I said I hated Christianity because all christians act like the people from westboro baptist church, I would be slammed down (and possibly banned) hard on this forum. The reason for that is because we all know that is not true. Describing all feminist as Nazi's is just as wrong.

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Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

Maya の投稿を引用：

If they are assumptions without evidence. And not all women are feminists nor are all feminists women. I used the term "feminist", not "female".

If you need something to equate it to, then look to nazi propaganda.

All your point was that she was wrong because she was a feminist, no, people are wrong because their claims don't match with the facts, not because of their views on other separate things. You could potentially agree with her findings regardless of being a feminist or not.

My point that it was an assumption that was biased, which I even made explicitly clear.

It is like a nazi scientists view on jews or a religious zealot's view on evolution.

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Robinton29 の投稿を引用：

Maya の投稿を引用：

If they are assumptions without evidence. And not all women are feminists nor are all feminists women. I used the term "feminist", not "female".

If you need something to equate it to, then look to nazi propaganda.

Ouch. I am a feminist. Compairing feminism to Nazi propaganda is a bit much. My guess is that you have been jaded by feminism based on your personal experiance with people who call themselves feminist. Maybe you had a run-in with the so called "femi-nazi".

If I said I hated Christianity because all christians act like the people from westboro baptist church, I would be slammed down (and possibly banned) hard on this forum. The reason for that is because we all know that is not true. Describing all feminist as Nazi's is just as wrong.

I see the entirety of modern feminism that way. But this is not the place to discuss why as at best it would result in a locked/deleted thread and at worst, a ban.

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Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

That thread would be locked fast, create a group or whatever, then maybe. Probably not today.

Well, if you get around to that, call me.

Get an account. It's peanuts. Not that I suspect you'd know the first thing to do with the paper if you had full access to it.

Create one and send me the details. I can wait.

And this is where I know you totally have departed from reality, Road Rage existed before cars or roads. *facepalm*

Strawmen again ? I said "rage" existed, not road rage but "rage".

Then you must agree that violent media could potentially influence someone's behaviour, yes?

I never said that it doesn't influence. Just that the result won't change either way. We would continue to be just as violent, if not more as we lose a medium for outlet.

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Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

Maya の投稿を引用：

My point that it was an assumption that was biased, which I even made explicitly clear.

It is like a nazi scientists view on jews or a religious zealot's view on evolution.

The Nazi could still be right, as the religious zealot on evolution. They are wrong because of facts, I don't care who said it. You could be an atheist and still be just as wrong on evolution as the zealot.

However, we are not talking about scientific theories that can be tested and validated here, but assumptions made based on prehistoric artifacts and such that cannot be validated.

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Maya の投稿を引用：

Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

Then you must agree that violent media could potentially influence someone's behaviour, yes?

I never said that it doesn't influence. Just that the result won't change either way. We would continue to be just as violent, if not more as we lose a medium for outlet.

Lost a medium for outlet? Do you honestly believe that video games provide an outlet for people to "release their agressions"?

That is so wrong on many differant levels.

1) Violence leads to violence. If you are upset and want to release aggression, the worst possible thing you can do is act in a violent way. This has been a known fact now for centuries.

2) If a person is already stressed out, playing a video game could lead to even more stress, thus compounding the issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx3ISVBifM0

3) It has been proven, time and time again that the best way to release pent up frustrations and/or anger is to either talk about it or do some type of activity that relaxes you.

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Maya の投稿を引用：

Fork_Q の投稿を引用：

The Nazi could still be right, as the religious zealot on evolution. They are wrong because of facts, I don't care who said it. You could be an atheist and still be just as wrong on evolution as the zealot.

However, we are not talking about scientific theories that can be tested and validated here, but assumptions made based on prehistoric artifacts and such that cannot be validated.

Soooo... by that logic, we can never have no opinion on human prehistory. We can only have artifacts... Basicly their junk. So, we should not attempt to make any assumptions based on the evidance we have.

Ok

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Robinton29 の投稿を引用：

Maya の投稿を引用：

I never said that it doesn't influence. Just that the result won't change either way. We would continue to be just as violent, if not more as we lose a medium for outlet.

Lost a medium for outlet? Do you honestly believe that video games provide an outlet for people to "release their agressions"?

That is so wrong on many differant levels.

1) Violence leads to violence. If you are upset and want to release aggression, the worst possible thing you can do is act in a violent way. This has been a known fact now for centuries.

2) If a person is already stressed out, playing a video game could lead to even more stress, thus compounding the issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx3ISVBifM0

3) It has been proven, time and time again that the best way to release pent up frustrations and/or anger is to either talk about it or do some type of activity that relaxes you.

Well, I find myself less angry after I beat the hell out of a punching bag than talk to someone. I won't call it universal but I can certainly disagree on your (1) and depending on the game (2).

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Maya の投稿を引用：

Create one and send me the details. I can wait.

Can't: http://www.jstor.org/page/info/about/policies/terms.jsp

"7.1 You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality and security of your username and/or password (if such are provided), and for all usage or activity by them of JSTOR. Except as permitted for certain Content, you may not provide access to JSTOR to anyone else, including by setting up an anonymous remailer for purposes of allowing access to JSTOR."

I never said that it doesn't influence.

Just that the result won't change either way.

Does not compute.

We would continue to be just as violent, if not more as we lose a medium for outlet.

It's a myth that you can release anger through "letting off steam" since it leads to an looping feedback mechanism (angry thoughts will lead to angry actions), the best ways of dealing with anger is through doing the exact opposite.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/stress-anxiety-depression/Pages/controlling-anger.aspx

We agree on something??? OMG... I need to rethink my entire exsistance now... :(



j/k

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Robinton29 の投稿を引用：

Maya の投稿を引用：

I never said that it doesn't influence. Just that the result won't change either way. We would continue to be just as violent, if not more as we lose a medium for outlet.

Lost a medium for outlet? Do you honestly believe that video games provide an outlet for people to "release their agressions"?

That is so wrong on many differant levels.

1) Violence leads to violence. If you are upset and want to release aggression, the worst possible thing you can do is act in a violent way. This has been a known fact now for centuries.

2) If a person is already stressed out, playing a video game could lead to even more stress, thus compounding the issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx3ISVBifM0

3) It has been proven, time and time again that the best way to release pent up frustrations and/or anger is to either talk about it or do some type of activity that relaxes you.

There ARE peaceful games. Puzzle games, for example. There are also games that it's only main focus is story, like To The Moon.